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Date:         Mon, 31 Oct 1994 21:31:13 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Brad Schrick <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: quit... quit!... QUIT!!!

>What about....
>
>"If you have a stay open script that won't quit, you can type shift-
>command-Q to stop it."

-- very funny, I suppose I deserve it... but this is for a customer, and
for him all the pieces need to close up and quit when the script gets to
the end of the input file...  he knows his way around a Mac, but little
things confuse, and error messages (File Not Open) don't give customers
nice warm feelings...

-- I sent the 'error number -128' solution to the list, but haven't got it
back myself yet; my former message (about quit quit etc...) did come
through, about four or more hours later, so I suppose the -128 one will
come through to me as well...

-- thanks for the help, verily; the jokes and jibes are worth all the real
help I've traded here... -- Brad

 __________________________________________________________________________
 Brad Schrick      [e-mail]  *** Palo Alto, California
                 http://ape.com/
  http://www.batnet.com/ape/     ... It's not easy until it's done.
 __________________________________________________________________________
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Date:         Mon, 31 Oct 1994 17:27:36 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Edmund Lai <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: xcmd osax and XCMD Shell etc.

>Rinaldi's Resource To Text function bombs my otherwise very stable machine.
>
>it only fails when:
>
>copy(choose file) to theFile
>resource to text type "ICON" identifier "Bill" in theFile hexadecimal true
>
>BLAMMO!  Right to MacsBug
>
>Leave off the hex and it works fine.  That's of course, useless to me, I
>need the hex!
>
>It says it's using 2.0 of ResToText, but I don't know if that or the shell
>is the cause.
>
>If anyone's made this one work, let me know how!  I'm on a 7.5 System with
>NO strange inits.  Well, everything else doesn't bomb including Greg
>Quinn's _great_ additions.
>

I tried it just now and indeed it crashes into MacsBug.

I tried it again and this time I look at the XCMD parameter block passed
to the XCMD, it looks OK, I let it go into the XCMD and again it crashes.

This suggest the problem is in the XCMD. I try it one more time to step
into the XCMD to see if anything is wrong, but this times it runs.
Since then it runs fine. This suggests an uninitialized variable
somewhere. Is it in the shell or is it in the XCMD? I don't know,
although I am inclined to suspect the XCMD from what I have seen
so far.

This is both the strong point and the weak point of the XCMD OSAX. It
takes off the shelf XCMD and use it as is. This is a wonderful way
of recycling XCMDs. Earlier there are question about a record sound
OSAX. Rinaldi has two sound recording osax, one with user interaction
and one without. They can be easily converted over to an osax using
the XCMD OSAX. There are also question of OSAX writing to serial port
and mention of a SerialHandler XFCN, the XCMD OSAX may also be able to
do the job too.

The flip side is that if things are not going right, it is difficult to
find out where it is wrong and how to fix it. Both the XCMD writer and
the shell writer has only access the source to half the story and
would not know what is going on in the other side.

>I once saw a program that would run XCMD's and XFCN's for AppleScript. It
>was fast and small, and now it's gone. This is different than the XCMD osax
>available. For one, it eliminates having to define xprm and aete resources.

The XCMD shell was written before the XCMD OSAX, the core code of the
XCMD shell goes into the OSAX. The shell is very out of date and written
before AppleScript. I don't know how well it would run now.

The XCMD Shell still needs aete, the difference is that it has
sort of an installer. You install by dropping a file with an XCMD into
it, and when you do that you have to fill in information which the shell
will use to build the aete. No xprm is used because it relies on part
of comment of the aete to do the job of xprm. However, it proves to be
inadequate for a lot of XCMDs. The XCMD OSAX which comes after the
XCMD shell does a much better job in this respect.

However, there are some nice thing about the Shell that is not available
in the XCMD OSAX. First there is the crude installer mentioned earlier.
The XCMD Shell supports the GetGlobal and SetGlobal call, the lack of
which in the OSAX is a major reason why many complex XCMD cannot use
the XCMD OSAX. The XCMD Shell let you try out the XCMD in a manner
similar to Commando in MPW (i.e. you are presented with a dialog to
fill out the parameters in the command), and it would even let you
record the command.

It would be interesting if we can use the last feature in AppleScript.
AppleScript is a bit too command line oriented for my own taste. It
would be interesting to have a shell where you can fill out parameter
to an OSAX like a commando to try it out and optionally to generate
AppleScript command from it when you are writing a script.

>On to other matters, could anybody give me a step-by-step lazy man's guide
>to extracting one of the commands in this collection to it's own addition?
>300k plus of scripting addition for the use of a couple of commands seems
>like overkill, especially if I'm going to give the project to a client.
>

To delete the unused XCMDs, just use ResEdit or other resource editor
and take out all the ones that you do not need. Then you need some
aete editor to delete the terminology of all the XCMDs that you do
not use. From the aete you can also determine the event ID of the
XCMDs you need, the resource name of a XPRM is the same as the
event ID, so you can also remove all the XPRMs that you do not need.

/* Disclaimer: All statments and opinions expressed are my own */
/* Edmund K. Lai                                               */
/* Apple Computer, MS303-3A                                    */
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Date:         Tue, 1 Nov 1994 08:44:57 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Alberto.V" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      FaceSpan list

Hi!

Some time ago there was a list posted on comp.sys.mac.programmer about
the features that the next version of FaceSpan would include. If there
is some interest I can post that list here. It was originally posted
on AOL. So if you all already have seen it and dont wan't to see it
again send me a note telling what to do.

Alberto.V
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Date:         Tue, 1 Nov 1994 00:14:40 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: quit... quit!... QUIT!!!

Brad is having trouble quitting a stay open script application from an
error handler.

Make sure you have a quit handler defined, and that it looks like this:

on quit
    continue quit
end quit

[It can do more than that, such as overruling the desire to quit.]

Given that, this silly script application (saved as stay-open) worked for me:

property n : 0

on run
    set n to 0
end run

on idle
    try
        if n > 5 then error "Testing"
    on error
        quit
    end try
    set n to n + 1
    beep
    return 5
end idle

on quit
    continue quit
end quit


--John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
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Date:         Tue, 1 Nov 1994 04:20:18 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Joe Alvarez <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: learning to use applescript

Dean Christakos wrote:
>What's a good place to learn how to use Applescript proficiently? Are the
>any good sources for this, perhaps on the Web?
>

Open up Script Editor and print up a few of your favorite applications'
Dictionaries. If nothing else, do the (scriptable 7.1.3 & extension)
Finder. Take real simple scripts and substitute commands. There is a lot of
trial and error. You'll want a guide like the Goodman book, but it is NOT
written for people who are completely new to scripting concepts,IMO. Not
enough examples for my taste.

I think the key is to use it more as a reference and just explore on your
own. This is what has worked for me. Good luck!

BTW, if you own Quickeys, make sure to read about how to run scripts from
keyboard shortcuts. This is really a super combination.

Joe

Joe Alvarez --> [e-mail]
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Date:         Tue, 1 Nov 1994 07:55:40 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kiran Wagle <[e-mail]>
Subject:      aete template

Does anyone have a template to edit 'aete's?  I've heard rumors of such a
thing, but a check of the usual archive sites yielded nothing.  Pointers to
it or a copy of it in the mail would be much appreciated.

~ Kiran <[e-mail]>


--
1628 5th St NW Washington DC 20001 [phone]/3157 <[e-mail]>
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Date:         Tue, 1 Nov 1994 08:41:38 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dave <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Finding every occurence of a delimiter

Hi all,
   A portion of a script I am writing contains a nested repeat loop which I
would like to get ride to enhance speed performance.  The loop contains a
check for every occurence of a tab to see if the file contains data or not.
Some sample data would like:
date <tab> <tab> <tab> 8 <tab> 12 <tab> <tab>

or

date <tab> 2.5 <tab> 0 <tab> 8

or

date <tab> <tab> <tab> <tab>

I have a script which when encountering data set 3 would correctly consider the
file NULL, which is the purpose of the loop.  The portion of code looks like:

repeat with paragraphNum from 2 to (the number of paragraphs in theData)
  set off to offset of tab in (paragraph paragraphNum of the Data)
  set charCount to (number of characters of paragraph paragraphNum of theData)
  if (character (off+1) of paragraph paranumber of theData = tab) then
    set off to (off+1)
    repeat until ((character off of paragraph paragraphNum of theData <> tab)
      or (off = charCount))
         set off to off+1
    end repeat
  endif
  [deleted code]
end repeat

The code works perfectly but it is much too slow for my liking.  The entire
script works on every file in a folder (about 15 files) and takes about a
minute.  Any suggestions on speed improvement??

Mainly I am looking for a faster routine to find all the tabs in a file and
upon finding a non-tab character, exit the routine before the end of file.

Thanks,
   Dave
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Date:         Tue, 1 Nov 1994 12:59:33 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Boroditsky <sage![e-mail]>
Organization: Sage Design
Subject:      Re: QuarkXpress 3.31 NameBoxes Examples problem (UserLand)

>I have a problem running NameBoxes example script shipped with Quark. It
>generates the error message: "QuarkXpress" reported the following error:
>"Can't interpret the object specification."

I have run the same demo script on a Quarda 700 running Quark 3.31 and on a
6100/60 running Quark for PPC 3.31. The script ran fine on both. I tried a
number of different types of documents (no boxes, lots of boxes, lots of
pages...)

There is only one 'get' in the script, when the current name of the next box
is gotten.
Curiously, this line of code has a break point set with it. (The hand
replaces the triangle to the left of the code). If this script is run in
debug mode, execution will pause at this line.
(To remove or set a breakpoint, hold down the command key and single click on
the hand/triangle).

David

David Boroditsky - sage![e-mail]
Scripting what no one has scripted before...
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Date:         Tue, 1 Nov 1994 10:43:05 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kim-son Tran <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Applescript Commands

>I am a beginners in A.S.  I am trying to write some scripts to "Anarchie". When
>i looked at the example that i found in it, i found the command "writetext".
>i tried to find the meaning of the command in the dictionary of the
>application and in the A.S Developer's Toolkit but found nothing. Why can't
>i find it ?

Anarchie comes with a read me file in the sample scripts folder.  The read me
files states that since there are problems with Apple's "Read/Write Commands"
OSAX with the PowerPC under AS 1.1.  Therefore, the author of Anarchie wrote his
own OSAX called "Text Files" OSAX which handles the problems.  It should be
inside the sample scripts folder of Anarchie.  You'll need to place the "Text
Files" OSAX within the Scripting Additions folder which can be found within your
extension folder.  You can examine the commands this OSAX supports with the
script editor via the Open Dictionary command.

Hope that helps.

--
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Date:         Tue, 1 Nov 1994 11:00:43 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Robert Viens <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Finding every occurence of a delimiter

>Hi all,
>   A portion of a script I am writing contains a nested repeat loop which I
>would like to get ride to enhance speed performance.  The loop contains a
>check for every occurence of a tab to see if the file contains data or not.
>Some sample data would like:
>date <tab> <tab> <tab> 8 <tab> 12 <tab> <tab>
>
>or
>
>date <tab> 2.5 <tab> 0 <tab> 8
>
>or
>
>date <tab> <tab> <tab> <tab>
>
>I have a script which when encountering data set 3 would correctly consider the
>file NULL, which is the purpose of the loop.  The portion of code looks like:
>
>repeat with paragraphNum from 2 to (the number of paragraphs in theData)
>  set off to offset of tab in (paragraph paragraphNum of the Data)
>  set charCount to (number of characters of paragraph paragraphNum of theData)
>  if (character (off+1) of paragraph paranumber of theData = tab) then
>    set off to (off+1)
>    repeat until ((character off of paragraph paragraphNum of theData <> tab)
>      or (off = charCount))
>         set off to off+1
>    end repeat
>  endif
>  [deleted code]
>end repeat
>
>The code works perfectly but it is much too slow for my liking.  The entire
>script works on every file in a folder (about 15 files) and takes about a
>minute.  Any suggestions on speed improvement??
>
>Mainly I am looking for a faster routine to find all the tabs in a file and
>upon finding a non-tab character, exit the routine before the end of file.
>
>Thanks,
>   Dave


Hi Dave,

I`ve you try to use text item delimiters?

Here is a example:


set savedDelimiters to text item delimiters of AppleScript
set text item delimiters of AppleScript to tab
repeat with paragraphNum from 2 to (the number of paragraphs in theData)
        set para_var to paragraph paragraphNum of the Data
        repeat with n from 1 to count of text item in para_var
                set textVar to text item n of para_var
                if textVar is not "" then -- You got some text
        end repeat
end repeat
set text item delimiters of AppleScript to savedDelimiters

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Date:         Tue, 1 Nov 1994 11:02:48 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         John Schettino <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Finding every occurence of a delimiter

>Mainly I am looking for a faster routine to find all the tabs in a file and
>upon finding a non-tab character, exit the routine before the end of file.
>

This routine will scan a string for non-tab chars, set a flag and exit if
any are found. It skips the first paragraph in the string, and then all
chars preceeding the first tab in each paragraph.

"Brute force always wins" - me



set theData to "header junk" & return & "date" & tab & tab & return &
"anything, really" & tab & tab -- test data

set notAllTabs to false
set skipping to true

repeat with ch in (characters from paragraph 2 to character -1 of theData)
        if skipping then
                set skipping to contents of ch =82 tab -- wait for first tab
        else if contents of ch =3D return then
                set skipping to true -- start a new paragraph
        else if contents of ch =82 tab then
                set notAllTabs to true
                exit repeat
        end if
end repeat

notAllTabs -- view results in result window, test this in your program!
           -- it is TRUE if there is some data (other than tabs) in the file

- john

-----------------------------------------
[e-mail]             GTE Laboratories
John Schettino                Waltham, MA
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Date:         Tue, 1 Nov 1994 08:17:51 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kee Nethery [phone] <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Anyone have or seen DataScript 2.0?

>Has anyone used or seen a demo of  DataScript, an applescript addition that
>gives apple-event aware applications access to SQL databases?

I have used DataScript and I like it very much. I used it with Butler DAL
database. The folks at General Knowledge provided excellent support. I ran
into some bugs and within a couple of days they sent me a new rev that
fixed that problem.

I recommend it.

Kee Nethery

_________________________________________________________________
Kagi Engineering, 1442-A Walnut #362, Berkeley, CA 94709-1405 USA
Kagi Shareware,   1442-A Walnut #392, Berkeley, CA 94709-1405 USA
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 1 Nov 1994 08:31:10 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Finding every occurence of a delimiter

>   A portion of a script I am writing contains a nested repeat loop which I
>would like to get ride to enhance speed performance.  The loop contains a
>check for every occurence of a tab to see if the file contains data or not.

Some general comments on slow scripts:

You don't say which app you are using but if you can use filter references
("whoose" tests) with these objects then you may find a considerable speed
up.

It follows the rule of thumb: do the most using application commands; do
the least you can in AppleScript (especially parsing) because it is slow;
use the fewest number of AppleEvents to performore your task.

The other alternative is to use an application to do the parsing for you.
You might find MacPerl to be a good choice here.

Choose the correct app.

Work in big chunks.

Don't use AppleScript for parsing.

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer
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Date:         Tue, 1 Nov 1994 11:45:58 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Bob Hassinger <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Anyone have or seen DataScript 2.0?

Kee Nethery writes:

>>Has anyone used or seen a demo of  DataScript, an applescript addition that
>>gives apple-event aware applications access to SQL databases?
>
>I have used DataScript and I like it very much. I used it with Butler DAL
>database. The folks at General Knowledge provided excellent support. I ran
>into some bugs and within a couple of days they sent me a new rev that
>fixed that problem.
>
>I recommend it.
>
>Kee Nethery

I am just becoming very interested in Datascript Sequelink.  Is that what is
being referred to?  Our Mac network uses Sequelink as the preferred tool to
access databases on VAXs and other larger systems, and I just started looking
for a scriptable access to it.  This is what was suggested.

Does anyone know if DataScript would be suitable for interacting with the
something other than standard data bases.  For example, the sample DCL server
that comes with Sequelink?  This is a sample custom Sequelink server that is
used to illustrate how to create your own servers for special applications and
so on.  It can accept and spawn a DCL command on the VAX, and it can read and
write a VMS RMS sequential file.  If I could extended it to access RMS ISAM
files and control it from an AppleScript it would be the tool I am looking for.

Bob Hassinger
[e-mail]
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Date:         Tue, 1 Nov 1994 09:22:26 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kee Nethery [phone] <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Anyone have or seen DataScript 2.0?

OK, I admit, I'm just a customer who uses DataScript and I like it. I
cannot answer most of these questions. I use it with Butler DAL Server from
Everyware. The authors of DataScript (and it's off-shoots) are very
responsive (or at least they have been when I contacted them for info). May
I suggest folks ask them specifics directly. They can be reached at:

General Knowledge
they are in the UK
[phone]
[e-mail]

Kee Nethery

_________________________________________________________________
Kagi Engineering, 1442-A Walnut #362, Berkeley, CA 94709-1405 USA
Kagi Shareware,   1442-A Walnut #392, Berkeley, CA 94709-1405 USA
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Date:         Tue, 1 Nov 1994 09:28:50 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: QuarkXpress 3.31 NameBoxes Examples problem (UserLand)

At 08:55 10/31/94, Alexander Lipman wrote:

>I have a problem running NameBoxes example script shipped with Quark. It
>generates the error message: "QuarkXpress" reported the following error:
>"Can't interpret the object specification."
>
>It seems to me that there is a mis something in a a
>system.macintosh.core.get verb.

Unfortunately, I don't have a copy of the script in question (it's not on
the XPress demo version I have available).  The Frontier Runtime which
ships with the demo XPress is 2.0.1...what version do you have there?

   --John

--John W. Baxter    Port Ludlow, WA USA   [e-mail]
  UserLand Software support
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Date:         Tue, 1 Nov 1994 09:29:00 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 22 Oct 1994 to 23 Oct 1994

At 03:36 10/30/94, Jeremy Quinn wrote:
>I would like to make this script available on gaea. Another thing I never
>worked out with Frontier is how to make an installer, that includes scripts
>from different locations in my DB. There are components of this script
>scattered around my Frontier/Runtime root in:-
>
>system.verbs.apps.Eudora                (2 additions to glue table)
>system.verbs.apps.Eudora.eventinfo      (1 addition)
>system.verbs.apps.Mozilla               (NetScape's glue table)
>system.menubars.CSOm                    (1 menu)


I would suggest looking at some of the installers from UserLand.  The basic
idea, when you have lots of little parts to adjust, is to have a folder
containing each of those parts as an exported object, and a desktop script
which loops over all the files in that folder, doing the appropriate thing
for each type of file.

There's a good chance that you already have a sample in your database, at
deskscripts.installer.

This would have to be customized for your particular purpose...you wouldn't
want to replace someone's customized Eudora menubar, but rather make your
new commands available in it.  That scripting can be a little tricky...it
might be better to put a menubar object into the user's scratchpad, and let
him/her copy commands into the Eudora menubar from there.

   --John

--John W. Baxter    Port Ludlow, WA USA   [e-mail]
  UserLand Software support
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Date:         Tue, 1 Nov 1994 13:06:31 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Dana E. Cartwright 315-442-9104" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      FaceSpan

I have a FaceSpan project which shuttles images and text around among
FileMaker Pro, Kudo Image Broswer, and QuarkXPress.

When I open my FaceSpan project and click "Project Script", there
is a delay while Quark launches.  But neither FileMaker nor Kudo
launches.

I would think that clicking "Project Script" would never do anything
more than put up an editing window to let me edit my project script.
Why ANYTHING would launch just because I'm about to edit, escapes me.

I have one block of script (attached to window, by the way, which is
at this point closed) which launches FileMaker, Kudo, and Quark....if
that script were somehow being kicked off, I might understand that
all three app's would launch.

I cannot find anywhere, among any of my scripts, where I have
statements which would only launch Quark.

So I have concluded that FaceSpan, for reasons know only to it (at this
point), is deciding to launch Quark when I try to edit my global script.

Any suggestions as to why this is happening?  Have I failed to read
some essential bit of documentation?
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Date:         Tue, 1 Nov 1994 10:30:53 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Leonard Rosenthol <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: aete template

>Does anyone have a template to edit 'aete's?  I've heard rumors of such a
>thing, but a check of the usual archive sites yielded nothing.  Pointers to
>it or a copy of it in the mail would be much appreciated.
>
        There is an old one for ResEdit, but it won't work on most
applications since it chokes on even slightly large 'aete's.

        The BEST tool for editing 'aete's is Resorcerer!!!  (and/or Rez).


Leonard

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Leonard Rosenthol                       Internet:       [e-mail]
Director of Advanced Technology         AppleLink:      MACgician
Aladdin Systems, Inc.                   GEnie:          MACgician
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 1 Nov 1994 10:33:40 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jason Frankovitz <[e-mail]>
Subject:      variable assignments/declarations

Is the following true?

set x to "foo" == copy "foo" to x

this is just syntax, right?

Also, what is the difference between "global" and a property
declaration? What is the difference between "set"/"copy" and "local"?

I'm too broke for the language reference :-\

Thanks,
Jason


--
Jason Frankovitz - [e-mail]  - Indiana University Biocomputing
                Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny. Duh.
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 1 Nov 1994 20:18:16 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Alberto.V" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      FaceSpan_List

Well, by the demand of some people, I'll post the
"Next FaceSpan Version Feature List". I laid my hands on it
when it was posted on comp.sys.mac.programmer by Jeff Johnson
([e-mail]). Jeff's comments are included before the list.

Enjoy!!

Alberto.V




Howdy!

At the request of [e-mail], I'm posting a list of
features for the next version of FaceSpan which I got from AppleLink.
This is an official feature list by the hand of Uncle Dave himself, posted
in the Developer Support area, under the topic "Interface Builder
Discussion", in the June 1994 archive folder.

I hope this gets everyone else as excited about the next version as I am.
Can't wait for that drag & drop support!

 Hello:

 At the World-Wide Developers' Conference, SDU showed FaceSpan and
discussed some
 of the features under development. Some features expected in the next version
 are:


 examine the state of modifier keys and the mouse. So too, you'll be able to
 examine the screen, set the cursor and change the contents of the clipboard.


 textboxes, and have greater control over interactions with the user. You will
 also be able to get and set non-textual data types with the help of such
 keyfilters.


without
 formulas. It includes resizable rows, columns and in-cell editing.


 Pascal) to implement table features in any way you wish. The calls to your TDEF
 will be event-based, giving you very precise control of the table's appearance
 and behavior.


 written in any OSA-compatible scripting languages that you have installed, not
 just AppleScript.


 project, so that the project will be completely self-contained (except for
 AppleScript).


 Script Editor.


documents
 in the Scriptable Text Editor can be scripted, giving you access to characters,
 words and paragraphs, and their fonts, sizes and styles.


 in reference to window items, too.


 editing environment while building projects. - Your interface items will be
 draggable and droppable.


 default or prototype project.


 default or prototype window.


positions.


 stops are, so that meta-characters within entries are no longer necessary. A
 similar property for gauges and menus allow forms to accept configuration
 information from outside the form itself.


 itself. Each item can be set to stay where it is; to move vertically or
 horizontally or both, keeping the same size; or to grow vertically or
 horizontally or both, in proportion to the window's growth.





 FaceSpan is great now--and getting better still. You should start using
FaceSpan
 for your scripting projects right away, so you will be ready to make use of all
 these new features!

 We will begin alpha seeding in a couple of weeks...

 Uncle Dave

 Author: LEE.BUCK

--
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 1 Nov 1994 15:01:05 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         John Schettino <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: variable assignments/declarations

>Is the following true?
>
>set x to "foo" == copy "foo" to x
>
>this is just syntax, right?
>

well, no.
in the case of "set", you are getting a reference or pointer to an object.
in the case of "copy" you are getting a new copy of an object

for example:

set listy to {"a", "B"}
(in this case set and copy are the same since the object is a literal)

set myVar to item 1 of listy
(myVar now holds "item 1 of listy")

copy item 1 of listy to myVar
(myVar now holds "a")

>Also, what is the difference between "global" and a property
>declaration? What is the difference between "set"/"copy" and "local"?

local just declares a local variable. it's useful for decalring a variable
you use in a loop but access after the loop.

globals are visible to all handlers in a script

properties retain their values between runs (but loose them when you
recompile the script)

>
>I'm too broke for the language reference :-\

$30 for the complete applescript handbook. really.


- john

-----------------------------------------
[e-mail]             GTE Laboratories
John Schettino                Waltham, MA
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 1 Nov 1994 15:19:02 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Tom Pollard <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: aete template

Leonard Rosenthol <[e-mail]> responded:
> >Does anyone have a template to edit 'aete's?  I've heard rumors of such a
> >thing, but a check of the usual archive sites yielded nothing.  Pointers to
> >it or a copy of it in the mail would be much appreciated.
> >
>         There is an old one for ResEdit, but it won't work on most
> applications since it chokes on even slightly large 'aete's.
>
>         The BEST tool for editing 'aete's is Resorcerer!!!  (and/or Rez).

There's also a Hypercard stack that reads and (in principle) writes
aete resources.  Someone from this list sent to me once; I think it was
originally distributed on one of the developer CDs.  Since I still have
the .sit.hqx copy on my account here, it would be easy to pass it on if
you (the original poster whose name I've lost) are interested.

Cheers,

Tom
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
W. Thomas Pollard                               Department of Chemistry
[e-mail]                 Columbia University
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 1 Nov 1994 12:17:35 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FaceSpan_List

"Alberto.V" <[e-mail]> posted Lee Bucks message
originating from Uncle Dave.

> Hello:
>
> At the World-Wide Developers' Conference, SDU showed FaceSpan and
>discussed some
> of the features under development. Some features expected in the next version
> are:
>
>
> examine the state of modifier keys and the mouse. So too, you'll be able to
> examine the screen, set the cursor and change the contents of the clipboard.
>
>
> textboxes, and have greater control over interactions with the user. You will
> also be able to get and set non-textual data types with the help of such
> keyfilters.
>
>
>without
> formulas. It includes resizable rows, columns and in-cell editing.
>
>
> Pascal) to implement table features in any way you wish. The calls to
>your TDEF
> will be event-based, giving you very precise control of the table's appearance
> and behavior.
>
>
> written in any OSA-compatible scripting languages that you have installed, not
> just AppleScript.
>
>
> project, so that the project will be completely self-contained (except for
> AppleScript).
>
>
> Script Editor.
>
>
>documents
> in the Scriptable Text Editor can be scripted, giving you access to
>characters,
> words and paragraphs, and their fonts, sizes and styles.
>
>
> in reference to window items, too.
>
>
> editing environment while building projects. - Your interface items will be
> draggable and droppable.
>
>
> default or prototype project.
>
>
> default or prototype window.
>
>
>positions.
>
>
> stops are, so that meta-characters within entries are no longer necessary. A
> similar property for gauges and menus allow forms to accept configuration
> information from outside the form itself.
>
>
> itself. Each item can be set to stay where it is; to move vertically or
> horizontally or both, keeping the same size; or to grow vertically or
> horizontally or both, in proportion to the window's growth.
>
>
>
>
>
> FaceSpan is great now--and getting better still. You should start using
>FaceSpan
> for your scripting projects right away, so you will be ready to make use
>of all
> these new features!
>
> We will begin alpha seeding in a couple of weeks...
>
> Uncle Dave

Couldn't resist commenting.

Hmmm, this posting is a little like FaceSpan 1.0 in that its only half
there with a lot of annoying bugs but you can still see sorta what they
meant.

I'm making a little list of these anyone from SDU care to mail me?

To Alberto: care to repost this document?

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 1 Nov 1994 12:17:56 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: variable assignments/declarations

>Is the following true?
>
>set x to "foo" == copy "foo" to x
>
>this is just syntax, right?
>
>Also, what is the difference between "global" and a property
>declaration? What is the difference between "set"/"copy" and "local"?
>
>I'm too broke for the language reference :-\
>
>Thanks,
>Jason
>
>
>--
>Jason Frankovitz - [e-mail]  - Indiana University Biocomputing
>                Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny. Duh.

Nope there different (as I showed myself this morning! Coincidence, uh).

In there particular case these isn't a difference (because you can mutate
parts of a string -- its all or nothing).

set makes a reference to (a pointer to, in other languages or a shallow
copy) the item "foo" whereas copy actually copies the data (a deep copy).

You can see the difference in the following:

Run this and look at the result:

set x to {foo:"foo"}
set y to x
set foo of x to "bar"
{x, y}

x and y refer to the same item.

then run this and look at the result:

set x to {foo:"foo"}
copy x to y
set foo of x to "bar"
{x, y}

x and y refer to two different items.

See AS Language Guide p89 and p113 for the definitive scoop.

BTW, does anyone have a "reasonable" use for the alternate form of set

set y to 3

can also be written

3 returning y

Has anyone actually used this form to make code more readable?

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 1 Nov 1994 15:05:01 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kiran Wagle <[e-mail]>
Subject:      What broke my script?

Hi folks,

This comes from a compiled script.  When I try to check the syntax to
recompile it, AS complains that "does not contain" in the if clause should
be a comma.  The script was compiled (by me) originally with AS 1.1 (from
the Scripters' kit) and probably recompiled with whatever came with 7.5.
It won't compile now, tho.

It RUNS fine, tho.  What's up here, does anyone know?

tell application "Eudora"
        get field "from" of message ""
        set MyFrom to my GetHeaderContents(result)
        reply message "" with quoting
        if (field "to" of message 0 does not contain MyFrom) <option-l>
                then
                set field "to" of message 0 to MyFrom
                set field "cc" of message 0 to ""
        else
                set field "cc" of message 0 to ""
        end if
        save message 0
        activate
end tell

--
1628 5th St NW Washington DC 20001 [phone]/3157 <[e-mail]>
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 1 Nov 1994 15:53:32 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Gene Barkin <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Putting away a volume witho

  REGARDING           Putting away a volume without using the finder
I need a way to:
1) connect to a server;
2) run an application;
3) "put away" the server volume after the user quits the application.

I can do this using the finder with the following as a stay open script:

tell application "Finder"
        activate
        select file "the application"
        open selection
end tell

on idle
        try
                tell application "Finder"
                        select disk "the volume"
                        put away selection
                end tell
                return 30

        on error
                tell application "Finder"
                        set foo to name of processes
                end tell
                if foo does not contain "the application" then
                        tell me to quit
                end if
        end try

end idle

However, since not all our users have system 7.5, I need a way to do this
without the scriptable finder. Any suggestions? (Also, feel free to improve
on the above routine).

Thanks,

Gene
"Nothing seems to work, and neither does anything else"
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 1 Nov 1994 15:57:17 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Hon, Michael T" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Anyone have or seen DataScript 2

> And you got the demo from...?
> _____________________________________________________________________________
>
>         Reply to:   RE>Anyone have or seen DataScript 2
>     I got a demo of DataScript.  Looks cool, but it doesn't run against
> Tandem SQLCI databases, so I never really put any time into the it.
>     They were generous enough to send me the demo, but it did take a long
> time...

_I_ got it from General Knowledge, via email <[e-mail].
 Took less than 24 hours.  I also uploaded the demo to the incoming directory
at gaea.  It's the Sybase/Open Client version, but it should be instructive, at
least syntactically, for any platform.

At our UG's AppleScript SIG last month, somebody who had actually used
DataScript for an Oracle/Excel/CAD application said that it worked, but didn't
report back SQL errors.

FWIW.

Mike


--
Mike Hon
Software Consultant                                 [e-mail]
Precision Task Group  Houston, TX                                  713/560-3017
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 1 Nov 1994 14:28:01 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         MR Mac - Michael Robertson <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Opening a FM database over the net?

I tried the script:

tell application "Filemaker Pro"
   activate
   open file "file" of machine "machine" of zone "zone" with password
"password"
 end tell

And I always get "file" cannot be found. Of course I substitute all my
appropriate zone, file, and machine name variables. It works fine if I open
a database file on my own Mac (but what's the point of that?). Anyone done
this across zones? Any way to have it give you a list of available
databases? Any troubleshooting hints you'd like to share?



-- Michael


_____________________________________________________________________________
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Macintosh Business Consultant      [phone] pager
San Diego Supercomputer Ctr.       [phone] fax

Internet, America Online           [e-mail]
_____________________________________________________________________________
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 1 Nov 1994 18:06:08 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Kevin A. Gemeinhart" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Opening a FM database over the net?
In-Reply-To:  <aadc6244020210035602@[132.249.200.67]>

>I tried the script:
>
>tell application "Filemaker Pro"
>   activate
>   open file "file" of machine "machine" of zone "zone" with password
>"password"
> end tell
>
>And I always get "file" cannot be found.

Near as I can figure, you NEED to be running FileMaker Pro 2.1v3 and
have FileMaker Network version 2.1v4

I tried running a similar script on some machines around here that were
running earlier versions of FMPro and got the same result.  So, I
updated to 2.1v3 and everything worked just fine.  You can download the
update from somewhere, but I can't remember exactly.  Try ftp.claris.com

Kevin
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 1 Nov 1994 20:08:59 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Haggerty <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scripting FileMaker PRO

You might try something like this, which works for me-

set TheTitle to "THIS IS A TEST TITLE"
tell application "FileMaker Pro v2" of machine "Quadra840" of zone "Optometry"
        Show Layout "Review" of Window "94 Review db"
        Show (every Record whose Cell "Title" = TheTitle)
        set TheAbstract to Cell "Abstract"
end tell
return TheAbstract

   When you try to run this, or just check the syntax, you will be prompted
to log on to the Mac where FileMaker lives. This remote Mac must have
program linking turned on, and you must have access rights (file sharing
need not be turned on, but it may help in debugging). If you have problems
with FileMaker pausing to display dialog boxes, you could try writing a
FileMaker script to do the job (under the FileMaker 'Scripts' menu) and
using the [No dialog] modifier.

>>Hello
>>
>>I am slowly working my way through the Tao of Applesrcipt. What
>>I ultimatly would like to do is control Filemaker Pro remotely
>>via Apple Scripts.
>>
>>Is there any sample script code for use with FileMaker Pro
>>that I could use as an example?
>
>FileMaker Pro is written so that it will not accept Apple events from
>remote machines.
>
>You would need something running on the machine with FileMaker which does
>accept remote events, and turns them into Apple events for FileMaker, then
>passes the results back to your remote machine.
>
>Above may or may not be true with FileMaker Server.
>
>   --John
>
>--
>[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA

Kevin Haggerty                  ______________
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=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 2 Nov 1994 16:36:59 +0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Todd Hooper <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: DataScript
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]> from "Automatic digest
              processor" at Nov 2, 94 00:00:42 am

I've used DataScript v1.x and 2.0 with a VAX and Macintosh Oracle host
via DAL and SQLnet. I wrote a review for the September 94 MacNews - not
much use to those of you outside Australasia! In summary - it is an
excellent product which works as advertised.

You need to get the right version for your database. DataScript supports
DAM/DAL, Oracle, SequeLink and Sybase.

Regards,

Todd
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 2 Nov 1994 02:58:14 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Ralph Risch <[e-mail]>
Subject:      RE>FaceSpan/QuarkXPress

>> [Dana E. Cartwright 315-442-9104]:
  ...I cannot find anywhere, among any of my scripts, where I have
statements which would only launch Quark.
  Any suggestions as to why this is happening?  Have I failed to read
some essential bit of documentation? <<

AppleScript is automatically launching QuarkXPress because XPress has
a bit set in its 'scpt' resource which indicates that it has a dynamic
terminology. XPress's terminology is 'dynamic' because XTensions can
be scriptable and thus add to XPress's terminology. AppleScript
thus has to launch XPress the first time it compiles a script using
any XPress objects or commands in order to ask it for its terminology.

Dave Shaver
Acrobyte R&D
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 2 Nov 1994 12:13:56 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Alberto.V" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      FaceSpanList_Repost

Hmm, my first try didn't succed, so I'll try again to post the
"Next FaceSpan Version Feature List". I laid my hands on it
when it was posted on comp.sys.mac.programmer by Jeff Johnson
([e-mail]). Jeff's comments are included before the list.
If this post don't come thrugh send me a notice and I will FTP this
list to gaea instead.

Enjoy!!

Alberto.V




Howdy!

At the request of [e-mail], I'm posting a list of
features for the next version of FaceSpan which I got from AppleLink.
This is an official feature list by the hand of Uncle Dave himself, posted
in the Developer Support area, under the topic "Interface Builder
Discussion", in the June 1994 archive folder.

I hope this gets everyone else as excited about the next version as I am.
Can't wait for that drag & drop support!

 Hello:

 At the World-Wide Developers' Conference, SDU showed FaceSpan and
discussed some
 of the features under development. Some features expected in the next version
 are:

 New application properties. Applications will have properties that let you
 examine the state of modifier keys and the mouse. So too, you'll be able to
 examine the screen, set the cursor and change the contents of the clipboard.

 New kind of "keyfilters". You will be able to set up patterns and formats for
 textboxes, and have greater control over interactions with the user. You will
 also be able to get and set non-textual data types with the help of such
 keyfilters.

 Table object. The new table object will present a spreadsheet-like grid
 without formulas. It includes resizable rows, columns and in-cell editing.

 Custom TDEF support. FaceSpan will accept your own TDEF procedures (in C or
 Pascal) to implement table features in any way you wish. The calls to your
 TDEF will be event-based, giving you very precise control of the table's
 appearance and behavior.

 OSA support. The script editor for each interface element will accept scripts
 written in any OSA-compatible scripting languages that you have installed, not
 just AppleScript.

 OSAX (scripting addition) embedding. Scripting additions can be added to a
 project, so that the project will be completely self-contained (except for
 AppleScript).

 Event logging. You will now be able to log events in a manner similar to the
 Script Editor.

 Text Suite Support. Textboxes will be scriptable in the same way that
 documents in the Scriptable Text Editor can be scripted, giving you access
 to characters, words and paragraphs, and their fonts, sizes and styles.

 Where clause. The "where" clause will be accepted, not only in textboxes, but
 in reference to window items, too.

 Drag & Drop support. Drag & Drop is to be supported in two ways: - In the
 editing environment while building projects. - Your interface items will be
 draggable and droppable.

 Custom default project. Any project you designate as such will be used as the
 default or prototype project.

 Custom default window. Any window you designate as such will be used as the
 default or prototype window.

 An application preference file keeps track of such things as window
 positions.

 Format property. Lists will have format properties that tell where the tab
 stops are, so that meta-characters within entries are no longer necessary. A
 similar property for gauges and menus allow forms to accept configuration
 information from outside the form itself.

 Growth property. All window items will respond to the growth of the window
 itself. Each item can be set to stay where it is; to move vertically or
 horizontally or both, keeping the same size; or to grow vertically or
 horizontally or both, in proportion to the window's growth.

 Printing. Page-oriented and developer-defined printing will be available.

 And more...

 FaceSpan is great now--and getting better still. You should start using
 FaceSpan for your scripting projects right away, so you will be ready to
 make use of all these new features!

 We will begin alpha seeding in a couple of weeks...

 Uncle Dave

 Author: LEE.BUCK

--
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 2 Nov 1994 07:44:42 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Charles Bruce Pelto <[e-mail]>
Subject:      FileMaker Pro PICTs

Anyone know a way to get PICTs out of FMP in a script?

This includes repeating Picture fields.

Thanks,

Chuck
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 2 Nov 1994 07:13:02 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Steve Alex <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Finding every occurence of a delimiter

>Hi all,
>   A portion of a script I am writing contains a nested repeat loop which I
>would like to get ride to enhance speed performance.  The loop contains a
>check for every occurence of a tab to see if the file contains data or not.
>Some sample data would like:
>date <tab> <tab> <tab> 8 <tab> 12 <tab> <tab>

CUT......
>
>Mainly I am looking for a faster routine to find all the tabs in a file and
>upon finding a non-tab character, exit the routine before the end of file.
>
>Thanks,
>   Dave

There were several post that responded to request, another solution is the
Tokenize OSAX that was in the incoming folder on gaea. I just played with
it a little, but it seems to do all that  AppleScript's text item
delimiters was supposed to do (more than one delimiter etc), plus a little
more.

Steve Alex                                 ([e-mail])

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=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:59:16 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Robert Viens <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Anyone has see OSAX that does XTND filtering?

I will be very interested in a OSAX that support XTND filtering.
Does anyone wrote this kind of AS extension? If not, I will
do It my self. So everybody interested, let me konw!

Regards,

/ Robert Viens  ([e-mail])  /  / 3981, St-Laurent bureau 810       /
/ Soft. Eng.                        /  / Montreal (Quebec)                 /
/ Les maitres typographes Zibra     /  / Fax.: [phone]                /
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 2 Nov 1994 08:14:42 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FaceSpan

>I have a FaceSpan project which shuttles images and text around among
>FileMaker Pro, Kudo Image Broswer, and QuarkXPress.
>
>When I open my FaceSpan project and click "Project Script", there
>is a delay while Quark launches.  But neither FileMaker nor Kudo
>launches.

The first part of the delay, most likely, is loading the AppleScript
Scripting Component.

Next, you are running into the fact that there is really (as seen by
AppleScript) only one script in a FaceSpan project...it's an artifact of
FaceSpan (and a very nice one!!!) that you edit this one script in chunks,
as if it were multiple scripts.

Next you encounter the question:  what does it mean to open an editing
window on a script.  In AppleScript, one thing it means is decompiling the
script back into [styled] source code.  To do that, the Application's
"Dictionary" needs to be accessed (for the translations from magic codes
into [English] terminology.  For most apps, this means simply barging in
and getting the 'aete' resource out of the app's resource fork.

Next you run into:  However, XPress "does" drop-in extensions, which *may*
extend the scripting language.  So, based on the behavior you are seeing,
XPress has the bit set in another resource (not the 'aete') which says "If
you need my Dictionary, ask *me* for it, don't just grab my 'aete'.  Such
apps want a chance to merge in the 'aete' snippets from the current set of
drop in extensions.  There's an Apple event which AppleScript sends to
XPress for that purpose...clearly XPress needs to be running to do that.

>I would think that clicking "Project Script" would never do anything
>more than put up an editing window to let me edit my project script.
>Why ANYTHING would launch just because I'm about to edit, escapes me.
>
>I have one block of script (attached to window, by the way, which is
>at this point closed) which launches FileMaker, Kudo, and Quark....if
>that script were somehow being kicked off, I might understand that
>all three app's would launch.
>
>I cannot find anywhere, among any of my scripts, where I have
>statements which would only launch Quark.
>
>So I have concluded that FaceSpan, for reasons know only to it (at this
>point), is deciding to launch Quark when I try to edit my global script.
>

Simple, right?  [I think the above is mostly correct...I'm sure Jon Pugh
will adjust any problems, as well he should!]

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 2 Nov 1994 09:37:00 PST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kathleen Scalise <[e-mail]>
Organization: Public Affairs
Subject:      filemaker and html

I'm having filemaker return data to my world wide web server. My problem is that
filemaker is sticking "," between the contents of each record and messing up my
 html
output. I've got the data in the records formatted with embedded html commands,
 so
I'd like filemaker just to return the text contents of the fields I want without
adding anything--tabs would be okay but things like commas and quotes are no
 good. I
can solve the problem by exporting from filemaker to a file and having
 scriptable
text editor clean up the file, but it makes the whole script run way too slow.
 Any
tips for getting clean text from filemaker?  Here's the part of the script
 that's a
problem:

else
        tell application "FileMaker Pro (sect)"
                Show (every Record of Window "testfile" whose Cell "CourseNumber
" contains
http_search_args)
                copy Field "CourseDesc" of Window "testfile" to TheAbstract
        end tell
end if
return TheAbstract
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 2 Nov 1994 14:35:19 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Hadfield <[e-mail]>
Subject:      How do I send events to a Face Span applet?

I have Filemaker sending an event to an applet created with the script
editors.  Filemaker sends:

event class: FMPX
event ID: INAC

My applet contains:

on =ABevent FMPXINAC=BB
        initiateCall()
end =ABevent FMPXINAC=BB

This works fine.  When I try the same thing with a FrontMost (or FaceSpan)
compiled applet, it never seems to receive the event.  I pasted the
identical code from my old working applet into the project script and could
not get it to trigger.  I am doing something wrong or do Frontmost applets
not receive events?
Thanks in advance.


Mark Hadfield
[e-mail]
The Hosptial For Sick Children
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 2 Nov 1994 14:08:47 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Aaron B. Freimark" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Writing to a text file

Is there an osax which will allow me to read from and write to a text file?
I know I can do this with the Scriptable Text Editor, but it seems a bit
clunky.

Missing that, how about pasting from and copying to the clipboard?
AppleScripts.  Since FoxPro can't get responses from AppleScripts directly,
I figure I need to go through a file or through the cipboard.  Maybe
there's a solution I've missed?

Thanks in advance,

-- Aaron


________________________________________________
Aaron B. Freimark  <[e-mail]>   Nu?
User Support, Cornell University Medical College
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 2 Nov 1994 11:22:33 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FaceSpan

>Next, you are running into the fact that there is really (as seen by
>AppleScript) only one script in a FaceSpan project...it's an artifact of
>FaceSpan (and a very nice one!!!) that you edit this one script in chunks,
>as if it were multiple scripts.

Would those that know care to exapand on this?

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 2 Nov 1994 14:44:56 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Daniel Berlinger <[e-mail]>
Subject:      MacPerl/OSA/AS/Frontier

--part_AADD56680010276E00000001
Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Disposition: Inline

The concensus seems to be:

Perl had some the of the best text mangling capabilities
It is very useful as an agent for MacHTTP
It is generally worth the bother, regardless of cross platform issues (which
only server to enhance its value)

If someone who has some MacHTTP scripts that they wouldn't mind sending me I'd
love to look at them.

I know that OSA compliance (be it limited to PowerMacs or not) would certainly
add value to MacPerl for me. I already use Frontier extensively and would love
to be able to add the strengths of Perl to Frontier in the same way I can add
Applescripts power. Frontier makes it easy to create "objects" that can be
called from a Frontier script and you can pass entire execution sequences just
as easily.

Thank you all for your time,

I guess I have to really sit down and work my way through the O'Reilly books.

Daniel

--part_AADD56680010276E00000001
Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Disposition: Inline

Daniel Berlinger                         [e-mail]
"I wasnt thinking...
          ...obviously this doesn't matter to my point."

Administrator of Information Systems   Circumstance Technology
--part_AADD56680010276E00000001--
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 2 Nov 1994 14:53:04 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: filemaker and html
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Kathleen Scalise" at Nov 2, 94 09:37:00 am

--Kathleen Scalise wrote:
>
>else
>   tell application "FileMaker Pro (sect)"
>      Show (every Record of Window "testfile" whose Cell "CourseNumber"
>       contains http_search_args)
>      copy Field "CourseDesc" of Window "testfile" to TheAbstract
>   end tell
>end if
>return TheAbstract

    Your problem with this script is the fact that you are returning an
AppleScript List object. List objects have their elements separated by
commas. If you don't want any separation you can simply change the last
statement to "return TheAbstract as text". This will remove all
delimiters from the items in the list. If you would prefer to have a
specific delimiter (like a tab) you need to use something like this:

set oldDelimiters to AppleScript's Text Item Delimiters
set AppleScript's Text Item Delimiters to {tab}
return text items of TheAbstract
set AppleScript's Text Item Delimiters to oldDelimiters

-Hades
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 2 Nov 1994 18:14:20 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Hadfield <[e-mail]>
Subject:      An Obvious Question?

It must be right under my nose but I cannot figure out how to issue a
command to another application and continue my script without waiting for a
response.

tell application "foo"
doSomething()
--don't wait for result, keep going!!
end tell
.
.
.

Mark Hadfield
[e-mail]
The Hosptial For Sick Children
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 2 Nov 1994 17:12:46 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Chris Dowling <[e-mail]>

AS folk,
The following "Finder Scripting Toolkit" code moves files, but it will not
more invisible files.

on DragObjects(dst, objs)
        tell application "Finder" to <event FNDRmove> dst given <property
fsel>:objs
end DragObjects

Can this code be changed to move all files, including invisible files?  I
suspect one could change the "property" statement to include invisible
files.
Thanks,
Chris
~~~~
Chris Dowling, Manager, SOE Computer Lab,
1025 W. Johnson St., Madison, WI  53706, [phone]
[e-mail]
~~~~
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 2 Nov 1994 16:06:35 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Joe Alvarez <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Quickeys and AS- problem getting scripts running

I haven't heard much talk about Quickeys [QK] here. I've just started to
use Quickeys and AppleScript together and I'm afraid I still have a lot to
learn.

Using the QK Applescript external, I've been trying to do a very simple and
useful script. I have a PPP connection to Internet and I'd like to turn on
the MacTCP switch in Eudora and then open PPP using the "Mac PPP control"
scripts and Scripting addition I found on the Net.

I know there's a number of ways to do this, but this is what I tried:

I save a script as Script Editor text document which looks like this--

if not (PPPopened) then
        tell application "Macintosh HD:Eudora  :Eudora 2.1:Eudora2.1"
                set setting 84 to "n"
                set setting 27 to "n"
        end tell
        openPPP
else
        display dialog "MacPPP is already open" buttons {"OK"} default
button "OK"
end if

{The first part sets the Eudora switch to MacTCP (vs. Comm Toolbox.)} I
then use QK to invoke the script

I get an "AS error. User interaction not allowed" alert (as best as I can
recall.) This makes my system lockup till I force-quit the QK Toolbox.

If the "tell..." part and the openPPP parts are invoked separately, they
work fine. Together, I get that message.

Can someone explain how to combine these 2 pieces?

Also, I avoid using Applescript self-running applications because I don't
want to see the beachball. From QK, which is better--compiled or
non-compiled text?

Also, I originally tried this scipt from within QK, but got the same error
message. I then assumed (probably incorrectly) that QK cannot address a
scripting addition--though now I'm not sure what to think. The QK
documentation is real sparse here. Any pointers to more info on Quickeys
and AS would be most appreciated!

TIA

Joe Alvarez


++----------------------------------------------------------------------++
  Joe Alvarez - Applied Computer Solutions // [e-mail]
  http://www.rain.org/~jalvarez/sig.html  ><  Finger for PGP public key
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 2 Nov 1994 16:46:03 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: An Obvious Question?

>It must be right under my nose but I cannot figure out how to issue a
>command to another application and continue my script without waiting for a
>response.
>
>tell application "foo"
>doSomething()
>--don't wait for result, keep going!!
>end tell
>.
>.
>.
>
>Mark Hadfield
>[e-mail]
>The Hosptial For Sick Children

Use the:

ignoring application responses
...
end

block

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 2 Nov 1994 19:59:09 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Danny Goodman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Writing to a text file

>Maybe there's a solution I've missed?

Version 1.1 of AppleScript includes OSAXes to read and write text files.

Danny
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 2 Nov 1994 21:28:59 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Joe Campbell <[e-mail]>

get MACSCRPT LOG9410
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 2 Nov 1994 23:02:00 CST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dennis Whiteman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Writing to a text file

>Is there an osax which will allow me to read from and write to a text file?
>I know I can do this with the Scriptable Text Editor, but it seems a bit
>clunky.

The read/write commands that are part of AppleScript 1.1 allow you to read
from and write to standard text files. In fact, I'm using one now to log my
PPP connect times. Version 1.1 of this oxax crashes on PowerMacs, but 1.1.1
ships as part of System 7.5.

>Here's why:  I'm trying to get FoxPro (2.6) to communicate with my
>AppleScripts.  Since FoxPro can't get responses from AppleScripts directly,
>I figure I need to go through a file or through the cipboard.  Maybe
>there's a solution I've missed?

Filemaker Pro can't directly communicate with AppleScripts, either, but
I've written an applet called List Processor that runs scripts based on an
'oapp' AppleEvent sent to List Processor with the name of the script
attached. If you can send Apple Events from FoxPro, that solves having Fox
Pro communicate with AppleScript. Getting data back into FoxPro could be
more challenging. The clipboard is definitely an option if you're using
Jon's Commands, or in some cases, the scriptable Finder.

Dennis L. Whiteman
THE ULTIMATE FREELANCER
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 2 Nov 1994 22:11:15 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         sexonwheelz <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Various questions

Hello everyone,

I am new to this mailing list, and have been learning AppleScript for the
past few months.  I am very impressed with it, but am having one problem
that i can't find a solution for:

How do you select a folder?  There is the choose file command, but i
need to select a folder, so i can use the finderLib function
"moveFilestoTrash".  Does anyone know how to do this?

Thanks in advance,

eric brunick
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 2 Nov 1994 23:34:29 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 1 Nov 1994 to 2 Nov 1994

John W. Baxter <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Next you run into:  However, XPress "does" drop-in extensions, which *may*
>extend the scripting language.  So, based on the behavior you are seeing,
>XPress has the bit set in another resource (not the 'aete') which says "If
>you need my Dictionary, ask *me* for it, don't just grab my 'aete'.  Such
>apps want a chance to merge in the 'aete' snippets from the current set of
>drop in extensions.  There's an Apple event which AppleScript sends to
>XPress for that purpose...clearly XPress needs to be running to do that.

>...

>Simple, right?  [I think the above is mostly correct...I'm sure Jon Pugh
>will adjust any problems, as well he should!]

No problems here.  My only question is, are there any extensions which *do*
extend the language?  If not, this bit could be turned off and this
especially annoying behavior averted.  Given the benefit of hindsight, I
think it would have been better to do something like having the resource
list folders and file types to search for extension aetes.  That way you
wouldn't have to launch.  Unfortunately, that's not general enough to cover
all the possibilities, so launching is required.  If it's not being used
though, it would be nice to turn it off.

If you do want to turn it off, simply clear the high order bit (0x8000) of
the scsz resource.  It's just a long.

Jon
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Nov 1994 08:03:27 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Charles Bruce Pelto <[e-mail]>
Subject:      List of Lists

How does one create a list of lists from an existing series of lists?

I've can generate a series of lists based on rearranging a series of
repeating fields from FileMaker Pro.

However, for what I'm trying to do, I think I need to generate a list of
lists.

How do I do such a thing?

I've tried such things as...

     set totalList to totalList & newListElement

But all I get is a never ending list.

Help...

Thanks,

Chuck
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Nov 1994 14:29:45 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         WalrathW <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Tokenize Bug Fix & New OSAXen

A bug surfaced yesterday in the Tokenize 1.0 OSAX and has since been fixed,
but I need to ask everyone using Tokenize to upgrade as soon as possible
since the bug could be a little nasty in some situations. The problem will
only occur if any of the tokens being returned are longer than 255
characters. If they are, random memory will be flattened like cake under a
truck (that's lorry for some of you) tire (that's tyre for som...).

I've just uploaded to the incoming directory at gaea an archive with about a
half dozen OSAXen in it, one of which is Tokenize 1.1. Here's a short blurb
on what the other toys do.

* Tokenize
  Parses text into "tokens" based on a list of delimiters. Easier and more
  powerful than using AppleScript's text item delimiters.

* Detokenize (Join List)
  Once you've tokenized your text to death, put all those items back together
  with complete control over what to separate the items with, and where the
  separators should be placed. (Lots of options, and I'll add more if someone
  can think of any it should have.)

* Offsets Of
  Improves upon the offsets of osax which comes with GTQLib. No limit on
  string sizes and accepts either a string or a list of strings to search in.

* Change Case
  Changes the case of text to any of the following:
        {upper/lower/title/sentence/toggle/who cares}
  (You must be dying to know what _who cares_ does.... )

* Balloon Help
  Turns balloon help on, off, or returns status of BH.

* Replace
  Replaces a string or list of strings in a piece of text by another string.


If anyone would prefer, I would be happy to mail you a copy of these. Send a
private message (not to the list) to me.

All of these are freeware (with a couple restrictions).

Enjoy...
  -wayne
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Nov 1994 09:16:07 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Hadfield <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Writing to a text file

>Filemaker Pro can't directly communicate with AppleScripts...
>Dennis L. Whiteman
>THE ULTIMATE FREELANCER

Sure it can!  I use the following technique.  Works flawlessly except if
the applescript application holding the events is not loaded.  In that case
the event needs to be sent twice.  It works as follows:
A Filemaker script sending an apple event to the applet.

event class FMPX
event ID DOIT (whatever four letter word you want to use)

the applet contains

on =ABevent FMPXDOIT=BB
       -- whatever code you want goes here
        --I usually call a handler
end =ABevent FMPXDOIT=BB

I have FM databases that call over a dozen different events at the click of
a button.  I use it to export data, to sort information, to pass data to
another database, verify information in a record before the user closes it
etc.

It is a hack but a highly effective one.


Mark Hadfield
[e-mail]
The Hospital For Sick Children
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Nov 1994 08:29:53 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Tokenize Bug Fix & New OSAXen
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Thu, 03 Nov 94 14:29:45 +0100"

Good Morning Everyone,

Wayne's new osaxen (thanks, Wayne!) can be found in

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/osaxen/ACME_Script_Widgets.hqx

Hmmmmm.....this is quite a collection. Should have called them Wayne's
Commands. :-)

pf
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Nov 1994 06:38:42 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Alldritt <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Quickeys and AS- problem getting scripts running

> I get an "AS error. User interaction not allowed" alert (as best as I can
> recall.) This makes my system lockup till I force-quit the QK Toolbox.

Let me speak for my code in this situation.  The MacPPP Control OSAX forces
user interaction when ever a MacPPP connetion is opened (and in version
1.2, when the connection is closed).

This is done because MacPPP presents its progress dialog while establishing
the connection.  The only way around this is to ensure that your script is
the foreground application prior to calling openPPP or closePPP.

-Mark
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Nov 1994 15:41:36 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dario Lopez =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=E4sten?= <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FaceSpan 2.0

Jummy!

When?  How?  How Much?

/dario


____________________________________________________________________________=
__
Dario Lopez K=E4sten                    |   Student of Computational Linguis=
tics
[e-mail]              |   G=F6teborg University, SWEDEN
Send e-mail to my son,                |   [ Macintosh Systems Consultant ]
Put "To Felix" in the subject field   |   [ & Part time 4D/Mac Developer ]
____________________________________________________________________________=
__
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Nov 1994 09:50:02 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: List of Lists
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Charles Bruce Pelto" at Nov 3, 94 08:03:27 am

--Charles Bruce Pelto wrote:
>
>How does one create a list of lists from an existing series of lists?

    That depends on how you want the list to look...

>I've can generate a series of lists based on rearranging a series of
>repeating fields from FileMaker Pro.
>
>However, for what I'm trying to do, I think I need to generate a list of
>lists.
>
>How do I do such a thing?
>
>I've tried such things as...
>
>     set totalList to totalList & newListElement
>
>But all I get is a never ending list.

    Try this: set totalList to totalList & {newListElement}

    Or the more efficient: set end of totalList to {newListElement}

-Hades
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Nov 1994 10:26:58 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Danny Goodman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Various questions

>How do you select a folder?  There is the choose file command, but i
>need to select a folder,

AppleScript 1.1 includes a Choose Folder scripting addition.

Danny Goodman
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Nov 1994 10:32:30 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Danny Goodman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: List of Lists

>How does one create a list of lists from an existing series of lists?

If you have a variable containing a list and need to make that a nested list
(like for preparing data for insertion into an Excel range), then do
something like this:

-- totalList contains a list
set totalList to {totalList}

Danny Goodman
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Nov 1994 11:28:54 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Choose Item osax

Howdy,

Owen Watson (thanks, Owen!) has uploaded a copy of Choose Item osax that lets
you display and choose an item from a list. This is copyrighted by ACI and
comes with a disclaimer that they are "in any case of whatever may happen when
this osax is used." You'll find it in

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/osaxen/Choose_Item_osax.sea.hqx

Have fun.

pf
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Nov 1994 11:43:04 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Yet Another Item

Jon Pugh has provided a new aete for HyperCard 2.2 that allows you to
specify shorthand for AppleScript elements simply by
including all the various items in the aete.  Hypercard has
"bkgnd", "bkgnd button" and "bkgnd field" defined already.
This aete has "bg", "cd", "btn", "cd btn", "cd fld", "bg btn",
& "bg fld".  It makes AppleScripting much more HyperTalk-like.
This has no effect on the scripts you produce, so there
are no compatibility problems.

In addition, this aete also fixes a bug in the AppleScript Script
Editor which can cause your dictionary window to come up blank
if an aete is purgeable. Hypercard's aete is purgeable, so this
problem could affect Hypercard dictionaries.

Simply replace your Hypercard 2.2 aete resource with this one
using your favorite resource editor, and you can type the same
shorthand in AppleScript that you do in HyperTalk.

You'll find it in

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/addons/HypercardAETE.sit.hqx

Cheers.

pf
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Nov 1994 09:51:02 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Nelson Byrne <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Field specs and GTQ sort

)1994, R. Nelson Byrne
Greg Quinn gave us a wonderful OSAX for sorting records, part of his
very useful GTQLib 1.2. I had occasion to use it the other day, and
immediately ran across a problem hinted at in the documentation: how to
find the secret code that identifies the records. Greg writes:

RIf the list contains records, the records must consist of a field
specification and a direction as follows:
{field spec:"unam",direction: ascending order}S

ItTs the field spec weUre talking about here. He says:

Unfortunately, the four character code is difficult to determine without
having internal knowledge of a record's data structure.  Hopefully, some
day a way will appear to do this by mere field name instead of the
field's four-character designator.

Well, I donUt know a field spec from a field mouse, but this script is a
way to discover field specs - clumsy, but what the hey. I noticed that
some  record types, such as Rresource nameS, seem to be known to apple
script already and receive special treatment, whereas others, such as
RNovelS in the example below, are unknown and the description of the
entire record structure appears in the written record.

IUm enclosing the script.
Nelson
>>>>>[e-mail]
     Nelson Byrne
     SAIC  LOC#001/MS#C2
     10260 Campus Point Drive
     San Diego, CA 92121
>>>>>[phone]


(This file must be converted with BinHex 4.0)

=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Nov 1994 11:25:39 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Peter Boctor <[e-mail]>
Subject:      How to get the zone of mounted volume

Hi everybody,

I am new to the list and this is my first question. I've looked through some of
the digests of the list and couldn't find an answer to my problem.

My question is : How can I extract the zone and server name of a mounted volume?

I am writing a script that will run when a user is not neccessarily at their
Mac. When first launched the script asks for a file  and sometimes the user will
point to a file on a server somewhere.

If I just make an alias of this volume and store it I can't mount it when the
user isn't around to enter their password. So I store their password somewhere
and use the MountVol() OSAX. But getting the name of the volume isn't enough. I
also need the zone and server name for MountVol().

Any ideas?

thanks in advance,
-peter
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Nov 1994 15:38:55 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         SRList <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Recordable Applications

Can anyone tell me how to find out what apps are recordable, not merely
scriptable? The only recordable apps I know of now are:
 System 7.5 Finder
 Scriptable Text Editor
 PhotoFlash

As a beginner, I find it much easier to work with recordable apps -- I can
basically make my own example scripts.

Has anyone been working with other recordable applications? Which ones? TIA!
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Nov 1994 11:43:52 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Alex Sirota <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Dictionary Compiler Script

For all those who have huge scripting additions folder and want to know what
events those OSAX do here is an enhanced version of Lawrence D'Oliveiro's
script for extracting those events. If you tried to use Scriptable Text
Editor to dump the output to you will find that there is a 32k limit. This
script outputs the dictionary to a file of our choice without 32k
limitations. I had to increase the app size of the compiled applet to 500k
for the script to run on about 150 OSAX.

Also not that there are 2 OSAX I found: ScriptToTextCoercion and StringToPSN
that do not contain an aete that the EightyLister OSAX can read.

Missing stuff: ability to read in replies and properties out of the OSAX
return structures. Lawrence? Anyone?



This AppleScript will export all the events implemented by all currently
installed scripting additions, creating a report as a regular text document.

Requires:
EightyLister OSAX
File Commands OSAX
New File OSAX
Read/Write OSAX

Note that the Scripting Commands OSAX conflicts with EightyLister OSAX. There
is a conflict in the property event ID. Scripting Commands uses event ID
while EightyLister user event id. Take Scripting Commands OSAX out of the
scripting additions folder if you have it before compiling this script.

Original written August 13 1994 by Lawrence DUOliveiro, Waikato University,
Hamilton, New Zealand.
Modified by Alex Sirota October 20 1994: use read/write osax to output to
file, cleanup output, error checking


try
    set destpath to (new file with prompt "Dictionary file name:" default
name "my AS dict")
-- choose output file
        set destfileref to (open for access destpath with write permission)
-- open output file and save ref #
        set eof destfileref to 0
-- set output file's length to 0 to make sure no previous contents are kept
        set numscriptingadd to 0
-- variable to keep track of number of OSAXen processed

        set AdditionsFolder to (scripting additions folder) as text
-- get path to scripting additions folder
        set TheResult to {}
-- TheResult is a list of all scripting additions and their events

        repeat with ThisFile in (list folder file AdditionsFolder)
-- with every file in scripting additions folder
                set ThisFile to contents of ThisFile
                set ThisFileInfo to info for file (AdditionsFolder & ThisFile)
-- file info for file
                if not folder of ThisFileInfo then
-- if it is an osax type then append it into our list with event info
                        if file type of ThisFileInfo = "osax" then
                                set TheResult to TheResult & {{TheAddition:ThisF
ile, TheEvents:(list
events file (AdditionsFolder & ThisFile))}}
                                -- note that we label each item in the list with
 TheAddition
                                --and TheEvents for access later
                        end if
                end if
        end repeat


        repeat with ThisItem in TheResult -- with every item in the list

                set numscriptingadd to numscriptingadd + 1
 -- add 1 to scripting addition counter
                set ThisAddition to TheAddition of ThisItem
 -- now use the labels in the list and extract them
                set TheseEvents to TheEvents of ThisItem
                write (ThisAddition & return) to destfileref as string
-- write out name to file
                repeat with ThisEvent in TheseEvents
-- with each event (command) get its class, id, name and description
                        set eventclass to (event class of ThisEvent)
                        set eventid to (event ID of ThisEvent)
                        set eventname to (event name of ThisEvent)
                        set eventdesc to (event description of ThisEvent)
                        set eventinfo to "Class: " & eventclass & return & B
                                "ID: " & eventid & return & "Syntax: " & eventna
me & return &
"Description: " & eventdesc -- label the strings

                        write (eventinfo & return & return) to destfileref as st
ring
-- write out to file

                end repeat
                write ("---" & return & return) to destfileref as string -- writ
e out
delimiter text for prettyness
        end repeat
        close access destfileref
-- we're done, so close access to dictionary output file
        beep 3
        display dialog ("Number of Scripting Additions described: " &
numscriptingadd as string) buttons {"OK"} B
                default button "OK" -- display what we did

on error errText number errNum
        if errNum = -128 then
                display dialog "Cancelled." buttons {"Exit"} default button "Exi
t"
        else
                close access destfileref -- finally close output file when done
-- otherwise a bad error occured (out of memory?)
                -- but close output file first!
                display dialog "Error: " & errText & return & "Number: " & errNu
m as string
buttons {"Blast!"} B
                        default button "Blast!" with icon caution
        end if
end try


`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`
`,Alex Sirota,`,`,`,`,`,`,`Genius is an African that dreams of snow.`
`,[e-mail]`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`-Vladimir Nabokov,`
`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`
`,http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/adapple/adapple.html`
`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`Apple Web Server: http://www.info.apple.com`,`,`,`,`,`
`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Nov 1994 16:21:17 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Case, David" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Recordable Applications

>Can anyone tell me how to find out what apps are recordable, not merely
>scriptable? The only recordable apps I know of now are:
> System 7.5 Finder
> Scriptable Text Editor
> PhotoFlash

>As a beginner, I find it much easier to work with recordable apps -- I can
>basically make my own example scripts.

>Has anyone been working with other recordable applications? Which ones? TIA!

Apple publishes the "AppleScript Guide to Scriptable Applications" which lists
the capabilities of all apps that support AppleScript.  It's part number is
L0592LL/A.

Dave Case
JPMorgan
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Nov 1994 12:43:16 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Bill Bedford <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Graphic Scripting

Can anyone tell me if there are scripting systems that will allow
manipulation of graphic elements?

I'm working mainly in Freehand 3.1 and produce drawings that resemble
sheets of postage stamps, except that each 'stamp' may be either a
different drawing or size. I find that it can take longer to arrange these
elements on to the sheet than it takes to draw them. So I am looking for a
system that will take the drudgery out of this chore.

 AFAIK none of the major graphics programs are scriptable, so AS can only
be used to a limited extent.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bill Bedford                                   Designer of Photo-Etches
[e-mail]
[phone]

         Living on a island gives the world a different perspective
------------------------------------------------------------------------
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Nov 1994 14:06:34 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Leonard Rosenthol <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Recordable Applications

At 12:38 PM 11/3/94, SRList wrote:
>Can anyone tell me how to find out what apps are recordable, not merely
>scriptable?
>
        There is no way to know other than to try...


 The only recordable apps I know of now are:
> System 7.5 Finder
> Scriptable Text Editor
> PhotoFlash
>
        Let's not forget StuffIt Deluxe and StuffIt Lite - the FIRST
recordable applications (over a year BEFORE Apple released AppleScript) and
SITcomm our communications program.


>As a beginner, I find it much easier to work with recordable apps -- I can
>basically make my own example scripts.
>
        We agree, and that's why (almost) all Aladdin products are recordable.


Leonard

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Leonard Rosenthol                       Internet:       [e-mail]
Director of Engineering                 AppleLink:      MACgician
Aladdin Systems, Inc.                   GEnie:          MACgician
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Nov 1994 14:09:51 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Recordable Applications

>Can anyone tell me how to find out what apps are recordable, not merely
>scriptable? The only recordable apps I know of now are:

Excel 5.0
Word 6.0 (but it spits out DoScripts with Basic commands)
Stuffit Deluxe/Lite
InTouch 3.0
Cirrus 2.0
InfoDepot 2.0
JPEG View 3.0 (freeware!)
Snippets/Decoder Ring (which I have but never tried recording -- poor UI)
JMP 3.0
PowerAgent
Userland Frontier 2.1 (or later)
WordPerfect 3.0 (so buggy as to be unusable -- 3.1 fixes a lot)

With the AppleScript Scripters kit they provided a guide to Scriptable
Applications (most of these are in there).

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Nov 1994 14:09:38 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: List of Lists

>How does one create a list of lists from an existing series of lists?
>
>I've can generate a series of lists based on rearranging a series of
>repeating fields from FileMaker Pro.
>
>However, for what I'm trying to do, I think I need to generate a list of
>lists.
>
>How do I do such a thing?
>
>I've tried such things as...
>
>     set totalList to totalList & newListElement
>
>But all I get is a never ending list.
>
>Help...
>
>Thanks,
>
>Chuck

For a fixed number use the "list constructor"

set a to {1,2,3}
set b to {1,2,3}
set c to {1,2,3}

set listolists to {a,b,c}

and listolists is a list of lists.

This hack is useful for returning multiple results in the results box on
your script editor.

For an indefinite number make a null list and in a loop add items at the end.

set listolists to {}

repeat n times
        set end of listolists to GetNextItem()
end

Check out the AppleScript Language Guide for the beef.

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Nov 1994 14:14:45 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Ben Robbins <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Graphic Scripting & aete library
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Thu, 3 Nov 1994, Bill Bedford wrote:

>  AFAIK none of the major graphics programs are scriptable, so AS can only
> be used to a limited extent.

Canvas 3.5 appears to be very scriptable.

Which brings me to another thought.  Would it be useful to have a
location where aete's from apps (commercial and otherwise) could be
posted?  An aete library where one could browse to see if there is an app
around with the scripting support one is looking for?  (okay, I admit it
- I think it would be great)

Saving the aete resource to a seperate file with ResEdit is a simple
matter, and it saves disk space anyway for apps you don't want to keep
installed.

Maybe beloved gaea would be willing to provide a directory?


Ben Robbins
ActiveMac Consulting                            voice: [phone]
Seattle, WA                                       fax: [phone]
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Nov 1994 16:25:35 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Graphic Scripting & aete library
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Thu, 03 Nov 94 14:14:45 PST"

Ben Robbins suggests....

>Which brings me to another thought.  Would it be useful to have a
>location where aete's from apps (commercial and otherwise) could be
>posted?  An aete library where one could browse to see if there is an app
>around with the scripting support one is looking for?  (okay, I admit it
>- I think it would be great)
>
>Saving the aete resource to a seperate file with ResEdit is a simple
>matter, and it saves disk space anyway for apps you don't want to keep
>installed.
>
>Maybe beloved gaea would be willing to provide a directory?

I've thought about (and even started) a list of the commands in different
apps. Wouldn't that be a little better than the resource itself? Would we be
violating any copyrights by posting aete's? I'd be willing to provide a place
for it on gaea.

pf
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Nov 1994 15:47:46 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Greg Francis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Launching an app in the background

I am running a script that launches StuffIt Expander. It has the potential of
doing the launching while AfterDark is active. The problem I'm having is that
launching an application while AfterDark is active is causing the application
to not fully launch until AfterDark goes away (I move the mouse or press a
key). I can force AfterDark to go away by sending it a keypress using AutoType
but we would like to keep AfterDark active throughout the entire process.

I have worked around this problem in cron by launching applications into the
background. This has worked fine so far. I also need to be able to do this
from a script and I haven't seen a way to do it yet.

This is a real irritating problem with AD 3.0. It seems that an application
cannot become the active application while AD is active. I was monitoring the
computer using some remote scripts and I see a process called "Visual Client."
It isn't an application but an AD document and Finder seems to have problems
dealing with it. Has anyone else run into this problem?

Any help would be appreciated.

Greg
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Nov 1994 19:20:02 CST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Peter Fleck - SMM <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Recordable Applications

>Can anyone tell me how to find out what apps are recordable

Kudo Image Browser from Imspace is also recordable.

Doesn't the AS FAQ have a list of recordable aps?

Peter
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 4 Nov 1994 12:52:43 +1100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jeremy Peter Howard <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Finding every occurence of a delimiter
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]> from "Kevin
              Purcell" at Nov 1, 94 08:31:10 am

>
> >   A portion of a script I am writing contains a nested repeat loop which I
> >would like to get ride to enhance speed performance.  The loop contains a
> >check for every occurence of a tab to see if the file contains data or not.
>
> Some general comments on slow scripts:
>
> You don't say which app you are using but if you can use filter references
> ("whoose" tests) with these objects then you may find a considerable speed
> up.
>
> It follows the rule of thumb: do the most using application commands; do
> the least you can in AppleScript (especially parsing) because it is slow;
> use the fewest number of AppleEvents to performore your task.
>
> The other alternative is to use an application to do the parsing for you.
> You might find MacPerl to be a good choice here.
>
> Choose the correct app.
>
> Work in big chunks.
>
> Don't use AppleScript for parsing.
>
The XCMD osax is ideal for this kind of thing, using its 'textual find' and
'textual replace' commands, which are quite speedy. The following script
shows how you can process a text file without using an application. It uses
only AppleScript and XCMD osax. I can't remember if the file I/O uses
commands from AppleScript or ScriptTools.

I will upload this script to gaea. It should help answer a few questions
about text processing with AS, and avoid using the STE a bit...

Hope this helps,


/==============================\
| Jeremy P. Howard              |       "Logic must take care of itself."
| [e-mail]  |        Ludwig Wittgenstein
\==============================/         Tractatus Logico-Philisophicus

------------------------
--  NB: You will have to adjust the spacing and line-continuation
characters to use this in a script. Get it off gaea if you want to save
time.

(*Example of text processing with AppleScript and the XCMD osax
This code and functionality is in the public domain. Please tell me if you find
 it useful
or have any comments.
        Jeremy Howard, [e-mail]

This program uses a contacts database in flat text format. Record delimiters are
 Return.
Field delimeters are Tab. Records may have double quotes around them. Each
 record contains three fields:
1 -     Full name and company (or any other primary classification)
2 -     A number of addresses, separated by ';'
3 -     As many phone numbers or additional fields as required, with a ';' in
 between.

Sample record:
"Jeremy Howard, Howard Consulting", ";2/43 Barkly St., Carlton, 3053, Vic,
 AUST", ";;[e-mail]"
Semi-colons at beginning of field are due to exporting application-doesn't
 effect execution.*)

try
        close access myfile
on error
end try
set reDo to false
set copyWrite to "Instant Info, )J.P.Howard, 1994" & return & return
set myLookup to text returned of (display dialog copyWrite & "Who you lookin'
 for?" default answer "")
try
        read myfile from 1 to 2 --make sure it's not already open
on error
        set myfile to open for access alias "MegaDrive:Utilities:Now Contact*:Co
ntact
 Text"
end try
set myList to read myfile from 1
set myList to Textual Replace "\"" in myList by "" --in case there are quotes
 around each field
try
        set foundList to Textual Find myList for myLookup with All occurance wit
hout
 exact match --list of substring positions
on error --error returned if textual find returns nothing
        display dialog "No-one by that name: try again?" buttons {"Yes", "Nope"}
 default button "Yes"
        if button returned of the result is "Yes" then
                run
                return --avoid recursion
        else
                close access myfile
                return
        end if
end try
repeat with j from 1 to (count of items of foundList) --repeat with each found
 substring
        set myFound to item j of foundList --get position of this substring
        set gotIt to false --haven't found beginning of record yet
        set i to 0
        repeat until gotIt
                set i to i + 1
                if (character ((item 1 of myFound) - i)) of myList is return the
n --keep going
 back until beginning of record
                        set gotIt to true
                        set firstChar to (item 1 of myFound) - i --store index o
f first char
                end if --BUG - this breaks if BOF is reached
        end repeat
        set lastChar to (item 1 of item 1 of (Textual Find myList for return sta
rting
 offset (item 1 of myFound) without exact match))
        --find end of record by finding first carriage return after substring
        set theListing to (characters from firstChar to lastChar of myList) as s
tring
 --get the record
        set myName to TextToList theListing delimiter tab --make it into a list
        set item 2 of myName to TextToList (item 2 of myName) delimiter ";" --cr
eate
 sublist of addresses
        set item 3 of myName to TextToList (item 3 of myName) delimiter ";" --cr
eate
 sublist of phoneNums
        set phoneNums to ""
        set theAddress to ""
        repeat with i from 1 to (count of items in item 3 of myName)
                set phoneNums to phoneNums & item i of item 3 of myName & return
 --create
 string with phoneNums
        end repeat
        repeat with i from 1 to (count of items in item 2 of myName)
                set theAddress to theAddress & item i of item 2 of myName & retu
rn --create
 string with addresses
        end repeat
        if theAddress - "" then set theAddress to "Address" & return & "--------
" &
 return & theAddress
        if phoneNums contains ":" then set phoneNums to "Telephone" & return &
 "----------" & return & phoneNums
        --add headers where relevent
        if (count of items of foundList) - j = 0 then
                set keepOn to display dialog item 1 of myName & return & return
& theAddress &
 return & phoneNums buttons {"Done"} default button "Done"
                --display result, no more found items so don't give 'next' optio
n
        else
                set keepOn to display dialog item 1 of myName & return & return
& theAddress &
 return & phoneNums buttons {"Done", "Next"} default button "Next"
                --display result, more items can be displayed
        end if
        if button returned of keepOn is "Done" then exit repeat
end repeat
close access myfile
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 4 Nov 1994 15:14:00 +1300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Canvas 3.5 (was Re: Graphic Scripting & aete library

Ben Robbins <[e-mail]> writes:

>Canvas 3.5 appears to be very scriptable.

Is it much improved over 3.0.x? I asked the distributor about scriptability
when 3.5 came out, but they didn't seem to think there was much improvement
in that area.

3.0.x is pretty terrible. You can create objects and do some things to
selected objects, but there isn't any way to find out what you can select.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Computer Services Dept                     fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Nov 1994 21:16:22 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         [e-mail]
Subject:      Re: Graphic Scripting

Bill Bedford  writes:

>Can anyone tell me if there are scripting systems that will allow
>manipulation of graphic elements?
>
>I'm working mainly in Freehand 3.1 and produce drawings that resemble
>sheets of postage stamps, except that each 'stamp' may be either a
>different drawing or size. I find that it can take longer to arrange these
>elements on to the sheet than it takes to draw them. So I am looking for a
>system that will take the drudgery out of this chore.
>
>AFAIK none of the major graphics programs are scriptable, so AS can only
>be used to a limited extent.

Two major desktop publishing programs are scriptable. QuarkXpress is
AppleScriptable and PageMaker has its own scripting language and a very
limited AppleScript capability.

I'd suggest exporting your artwork from FreeHand as an EPS file and writing a
script in PageMaker to import, place and size them properly. PageMaker's
scripting language easy to learn.
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 4 Nov 1994 15:11:00 +1300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Graphic Scripting

Bill Bedford <[e-mail]> writes:

>Can anyone tell me if there are scripting systems that will allow
>manipulation of graphic elements?

There are, if you're prepared to take more of a "toolkit" approach.

Among my many sets of externals for HyperCard, I have one for doing
QuickDraw graphics calls. I also have another for working with QuickDraw GX,
but that's not quite as complete as yet.

The idea behind these externals is that you can write your own code for
generating and manipulating graphics. The nice thing about HyperTalk is that
you can try things out immediately--you can even type individual system calls
into the message box, and see the results at once.

I'm not sure how to go about distributing these. I'm currently negotiating
licensing with one or two individual users.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Computer Services Dept                     fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
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Date:         Thu, 3 Nov 1994 23:53:00 CST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dennis Whiteman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Writing to a text file

>I have FM databases that call over a dozen different events at the click of
>a button.  I use it to export data, to sort information, to pass data to
>another database, verify information in a record before the user closes it
>etc.

I think you misunderstood what I was saying or, more likely, I didn't
communicate it very well. I'm basically using the same hack, except that
I'm running scripts in a folder via an applet. Filemaker can't just tell a
script to run, it has to use an intermediary applet. In other words, it's
not attachable. We're basically doing the same thing, though.

Dennis L. Whiteman
THE ULTIMATE FREELANCER
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Date:         Thu, 3 Nov 1994 23:22:56 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Preston Holmes <[e-mail]>
Subject:      several Eudora questions:

Is there a way to 'explode' nicknames in the To field via AS, so that a:
get field "To" ... will return the email address of the nickname.  I
remember seeing something like alias expander/exploder that did this but I
don't think it was a script.

---------------------
Is there a way to do this:

tell app "eudora"
        make new mailbox with name "test" at mail folder ""
end tell

This doesn't work, but is there a way?

---------------------
How do you move one message from one mailbox to another?   I've tried:

move message 1 of mailbox "in" of mail folder "" to -|
                mailbox "trash" of mail folder ""

and a couple other variation with out any luck, including using the same
location reference produced from

get location of mailbox "Trash" of mail folder "" --which is just an alias

---------------------


I've got some good Eudora scripts to share and if I can get answers to
these questions they will be much more polished! ;-)

-Preston


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Preston Holmes                       Neurobiology Unit
Dept. of Neuroscience, UCSD          Scripps Institution of Oceanography
[e-mail]                     NeuroWeb: "http://salk.edu/NeuroWeb/"
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Date:         Thu, 3 Nov 1994 23:34:27 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Graphic Scripting

[e-mail] wrote:
>Two major desktop publishing programs are scriptable. QuarkXpress is
>AppleScriptable and PageMaker has its own scripting language and a very
>limited AppleScript capability.

I think the scriptability of PageMaker is actually very complete and solid.
It's not AppleScript, but it is well thought out and very functional.  You
can access it via DoScript, which makes it ugly, but you can do some nice
stuff.

Jon
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Date:         Fri, 4 Nov 1994 16:39:56 +0900
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Jonathan H. Roberts" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Bill_Bedford_Freehand_Scripting

>From:    Bill Bedford <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Graphic Scripting

>Can anyone tell me if there are scripting systems that will allow
>manipulation of graphic elements?

I have managed to create QuicKeys scripts under FreeHand 3.0 -
I had a few problems getting them to run smoothly - I think the
trick is to make sure that you put in the correct wait commands
for every operation. I was using Norton Utilities - Directory
Assistance to allow me to work on batches of images in different
folders. This proved to be a little buggy, but I'm not surprised.

I guess if it works with QuicKeys it should work for other scripting
utilities - I frankly can't justify the time to invest in learning another
language.

Good Luck,
Jonathan
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Date:         Thu, 3 Nov 1994 23:46:00 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: List of Lists

>How does one create a list of lists from an existing series of lists?
>
>I've can generate a series of lists based on rearranging a series of
>repeating fields from FileMaker Pro.
>
>However, for what I'm trying to do, I think I need to generate a list of
>lists.
>
>How do I do such a thing?
>
>I've tried such things as...
>
>     set totalList to totalList & newListElement
>
>But all I get is a never ending list.

Ah, the [sometimes unwanted] power of the & operator with lists.

Left to its own devices AppleScript behaves as you say...

   {1, 2} & 3

results in
   {1, 2, 3}

So does

   {1, 2} & {3}

But...
   {1, 2} & {{3}}

produces
   {1, 2, {3}}

-------------
Apple Event Manager (and, somewhat therefore, AppleScript) axioms:

1.  An object is equivalent to a list of one item:  that object

2.  A list of one item is equivalent to that item
-----------
An example of Axiom 2 is

{3} + 2

which returns 5

   --John

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[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
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Date:         Thu, 3 Nov 1994 23:46:04 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Recordable Applications

>>Can anyone tell me how to find out what apps are recordable, not merely
>>scriptable? The only recordable apps I know of now are:
>> System 7.5 Finder
>> Scriptable Text Editor
>> PhotoFlash
>
>>As a beginner, I find it much easier to work with recordable apps -- I can
>>basically make my own example scripts.
>
>>Has anyone been working with other recordable applications? Which ones? TIA!
>
>Apple publishes the "AppleScript Guide to Scriptable Applications" which lists
>the capabilities of all apps that support AppleScript.  It's part number is
>L0592LL/A.

Well, yes, but, as a published document, it is an always-obsolete snapshot
in time.  [Most apps shown don't lose capabilities, although they may lose
bugs scriptors have learned to work around.]

   --John

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[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
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Date:         Thu, 3 Nov 1994 23:46:08 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Recordable Applications

>Can anyone tell me how to find out what apps are recordable, not merely
>scriptable? The only recordable apps I know of now are:
> System 7.5 Finder
> Scriptable Text Editor
> PhotoFlash
>
>As a beginner, I find it much easier to work with recordable apps -- I can
>basically make my own example scripts.
>
>Has anyone been working with other recordable applications? Which ones? TIA!

StuffIt Deluxe and SITcomm from Aladdin (StuffIt Deluxe 3.5 is a
worth-while upgrade, BTW).

InfoDepot.

The easy way is to turn on recording in a script editor and do a few things
in the application which "obviously should be scriptable".

MicroSoft Excel 5.0 (just followed my own advice, and tried it, getting):

tell application "Microsoft Excel"
        activate
        set FormulaR1C1 of ActiveCell to "5"
        Select Range "R2C1"
        set FormulaR1C1 of ActiveCell to "7"
        Select Range "R3C1"
        set FormulaR1C1 of ActiveCell to "=R[-2]C+R[-1]C"
        Select Range "R4C1"
        set IsVisible of Toolbar 6 to true
        set IsVisible of Toolbar 6 to false
end tell


Toolbar 6 is the Tip Wizard thing.  --John

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[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
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Date:         Thu, 3 Nov 1994 23:46:12 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Graphic Scripting

>Can anyone tell me if there are scripting systems that will allow
>manipulation of graphic elements?
>
>I'm working mainly in Freehand 3.1 and produce drawings that resemble
>sheets of postage stamps, except that each 'stamp' may be either a
>different drawing or size. I find that it can take longer to arrange these
>elements on to the sheet than it takes to draw them. So I am looking for a
>system that will take the drudgery out of this chore.
>
> AFAIK none of the major graphics programs are scriptable, so AS can only
>be used to a limited extent.

Canvas is scriptable (and has been for a long time...starting before
AppleScript came out, so it could be scripted using Frontier).  Because it
was early, there seem to be holes in the scripting support.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
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Date:         Thu, 3 Nov 1994 23:46:24 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Graphic Scripting & aete library

>On Thu, 3 Nov 1994, Bill Bedford wrote:
>
>>  AFAIK none of the major graphics programs are scriptable, so AS can only
>> be used to a limited extent.
>
>Canvas 3.5 appears to be very scriptable.
>
>Which brings me to another thought.  Would it be useful to have a
>location where aete's from apps (commercial and otherwise) could be
>posted?  An aete library where one could browse to see if there is an app
>around with the scripting support one is looking for?  (okay, I admit it
>- I think it would be great)
>
>Saving the aete resource to a seperate file with ResEdit is a simple
>matter, and it saves disk space anyway for apps you don't want to keep
>installed.
>
>Maybe beloved gaea would be willing to provide a directory?

You would need Copyright clearance for each and every 'aete' resource in
the collection, from the copyright owner.  The only exception would be true
"Public Domain" apps (not "freeware", but true Public Domain).

Not worth the trouble.  --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
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Date:         Fri, 4 Nov 1994 06:59:40 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Chuck Shotton <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Recordable Applications

>Can anyone tell me how to find out what apps are recordable, not merely
>scriptable? The only recordable apps I know of now are:
> System 7.5 Finder
> Scriptable Text Editor
> PhotoFlash
>
>As a beginner, I find it much easier to work with recordable apps -- I can
>basically make my own example scripts.

MacHTTP is recordable, but not very exciting to record. I'm not sure why
more of Apple's own software isn't scriptable and recordable. It's tedious
to do, but not particularly difficult.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Chuck Shotton
[e-mail]                           "I am NOT here."
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Date:         Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:00:08 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         William Rose <[e-mail]>
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology formerly National
              Bureau of Standards
Subject:      Newbie Question

Hello:

Having recently begun working with Apple Script and subscribing to this
group, I find myself with some questions.  First, what is the ftp site
for gaes (sp)?  Secondly, I have "The Tao of Applescript", so are there
any recommendations of books to get that would be better or supplement
this?

Thanks...


--
William Rose, Ph.D.                     |Email: [e-mail]
Advanced Systems Divison                |Phone:  [phone]
National Institute                      |FAX:    [phone]
  of Standards and Technology           |
Room A216 Building 225 (Technology)     |
Gaithersburg, MD 20899                  |
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Date:         Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:09:44 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Dana E. Cartwright 315-442-9104" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      AEResolve

I'm attempting to take a non-scriptable app I sell, which runs about
100K lines of C code, and make it scriptable.  I'm struggling
to understand AEResolve and how it works.

I have IM and I bought the AppleScript SDK and Events Registry from
APDA.  But I can't find a coherent description of how AEResolve and
the object model work together with NewOSLAccessorProc and my
accessor functions.

I am either missing a piece of documentation, or I'm not looking
at the right place in what I've got, or I'm not understanding what
I'm reading.  Suggestions as to which it might be?
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Date:         Fri, 4 Nov 1994 10:07:48 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jason Frankovitz <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: List of Lists

>>>>> "Charles" == Automatic digest processor <[e-mail]>
 writes:

    Charles> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 08:03:27 -0500 From: Charles Bruce
    Charles> Pelto <[e-mail]> Subject: List of Lists

    Charles> How does one create a list of lists from an existing
    Charles> series of lists?

    Charles> I've can generate a series of lists based on rearranging
    Charles> a series of repeating fields from FileMaker Pro.

    Charles> However, for what I'm trying to do, I think I need to
    Charles> generate a list of lists.

    Charles> How do I do such a thing?

    Charles> I've tried such things as...

    Charles>      set totalList to totalList & newListElement

    Charles> But all I get is a never ending list.

    Charles> Help...

    Charles> Thanks,

    Charles> Chuck

Try:

set totalList to {totalList} & {newListElement}

the curly braces do the trick.

Jason
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Date:         Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:56:14 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Newbie Question
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Fri, 04 Nov 94 09:00:08 EST"

William,

>Having recently begun working with Apple Script and subscribing to this
>group, I find myself with some questions.  First, what is the ftp site
>for gaes (sp)?  Secondly, I have "The Tao of Applescript", so are there
>any recommendations of books to get that would be better or supplement
>this?

Others may respond on the list, but I wanted to give you a quick response.

The address is gaea.kgs.ukans.edu and you'll find scripts, addons, osaxen, and
other goodies in the applescript directory. If you are using Anarchie, one of
the bookmarks is already set up for it. If you have any problems, let me
know--I'm the maintainer.

In addition to the Tao, Danny Goodman also has a book. And there are also the
Apple manuals that come with the Scripter's and Developer's kits. You'll find
more information about them in the FAQ which is in

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/00applescript.faq

If you pick up a copy today, you may want to check again after the weekend.
I'll be updating it.

Hope this helps.

pf



+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Fred Terry, The Alta Group, [e-mail], +1 913/841-1283
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Date:         Fri, 4 Nov 1994 11:02:34 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "David Habermann, DTRL, 517 636-8632" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scripting MacHTTP

Fellow scripters:

I am trying to write a script to, when requested, activate TR-WWW (a searching
application), bring it to the foreground (speed improvement), set the MacHTTP
Pig_Delay to a low value and then perform a search using TR-WWW.  After TR-WWW
finishes, the results should be sent back to my script for forwarding to
MacHTTP and then to the client.  OK?  The script is below:

on run

        set path_args to ""
        set post_args to
"__Find=test&__DOCUMENTSET=SPE_Demo&__ResultsMod=relevance&__MaxHits=40&__Search
Mode=OR&__NearValue=40"

        try

                set crlf to (ASCII character 13) & (ASCII character 10)

                tell application "tr-www.cgi"
                        activate
                        Search Doc path_args for post_args
                        return result
                end tell

        on error errText number errNum

                return "HTTP/1.0 200 OK" & crlf & "Server: MacHTTP" & crlf & ,
                        "MIME-Version: 1.0" & crlf & ,
                        "Content-type: text/html" & crlf & crlf &,
                        "ERROR: " & errNum & " " & errText

        end try

end run

When submitting a form to the above script, TR-WWW activates, loads the set of
files requested, searches them, and then my script returns the following error
message back to the client:

ERROR: 1 tr-www.cgi got an error: An error of type 1 has occurred.

Thanks again for any help you can give me.

Dave Habermann
Dow Chemical Company
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Date:         Fri, 4 Nov 1994 10:13:36 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kyraden <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Newbie Question

 First, what is the ftp site
>for gaes (sp)? ftp site:
gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript

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Colaks    Kyraden    GodKing)
xxx "ASpectreSoViolentInItsViewsLiesImperviousAltitudeHasATendancy xxx
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx UnderPressureToRevealItsIdentity" xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[e-mail]                Elomense(MUD): josaiah.sewanee.edu 1999
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Date:         Fri, 4 Nov 1994 08:34:54 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Graphic Scripting

>[e-mail] wrote:
>>Two major desktop publishing programs are scriptable. QuarkXpress is
>>AppleScriptable and PageMaker has its own scripting language and a very
>>limited AppleScript capability.
>
>I think the scriptability of PageMaker is actually very complete and solid.
>It's not AppleScript, but it is well thought out and very functional.  You
>can access it via DoScript, which makes it ugly, but you can do some nice
>stuff.

There's also a well done Frontier glue table, which allows scripting
PageMaker from Frontier, with the PageMaker scripting documentation as the
primary reference.  It's on gaea, somewhere in /frontier.  This was a
collaboration done across time and nation (one of the conspirators <er,
collaborators> is Canadian).

   --John

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[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
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Date:         Fri, 4 Nov 1994 10:59:30 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Bill Maguire <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Recordable Applications
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]> from "Chuck
              Shotton" at Nov 4, 94 06:59:40 am

> >Can anyone tell me how to find out what apps are recordable, not
> >scriptable? The only recordable apps I know of now are:
> > System 7.5 Finder
> > Scriptable Text Editor
> > PhotoFlash
> >
> >As a beginner, I find it much easier to work with recordable apps -- I can
> >basically make my own example scripts.
>
Does anyone know if ClarisWorks 3.0 will be recordable?  According to the
Claris person I talked to, he said it was scriptable but didn't know if
it was also recordable.  By the way, does anyone know if ClarisWorks 3.0
supports the drag-and-drop in System 7.5?

Thanks

Bill

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Bell-Northern Research                  [e-mail]
Ottawa, Ontario                         [e-mail]
Canada                                  [e-mail]
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Date:         Fri, 4 Nov 1994 08:59:55 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: List of Lists

>>>>>> "Charles" == Automatic digest processor <[e-mail]>
> writes:
>
>    Charles> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 08:03:27 -0500 From: Charles Bruce
>    Charles> Pelto <[e-mail]> Subject: List of Lists
>
>    Charles> How does one create a list of lists from an existing
>    Charles> series of lists?
>
>    Charles> I've can generate a series of lists based on rearranging
>    Charles> a series of repeating fields from FileMaker Pro.
>
>    Charles> However, for what I'm trying to do, I think I need to
>    Charles> generate a list of lists.
>
>    Charles> How do I do such a thing?
>
>    Charles> I've tried such things as...
>
>    Charles>      set totalList to totalList & newListElement
>
>    Charles> But all I get is a never ending list.
>
>    Charles> Help...
>
>    Charles> Thanks,
>
>    Charles> Chuck
>
>Try:
>
>set totalList to {totalList} & {newListElement}
>
>the curly braces do the trick.
>
>Jason

As I said:

set totalList to {totalList, newListElement}

is the simplest way to do it.

Even AppleScript can be elegant every once in a while.

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer
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Date:         Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:29:00 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Leonard Rosenthol <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AEResolve

>I'm attempting to take a non-scriptable app I sell, which runs about
>100K lines of C code, and make it scriptable.  I'm struggling
>to understand AEResolve and how it works.
>
        Get yourself a copy of the Develop article by Richard Clark!!


Leonard

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Leonard Rosenthol                       Internet:       [e-mail]
Director of Engineering                 AppleLink:      MACgician
Aladdin Systems, Inc.                   GEnie:          MACgician
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Date:         Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:28:57 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Leonard Rosenthol <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Graphic Scripting & aete library

>You would need Copyright clearance for each and every 'aete' resource in
>the collection, from the copyright owner.  The only exception would be true
>"Public Domain" apps (not "freeware", but true Public Domain).
>
        Yeah, the legalities are kinda interesting on this one.  The format
of an 'aete', since it is public isn't copyrightable.  The standard suite
names, etc. can't be since they are "standard", but one could argue that
the "private" stuff and the combination could be.

        However, I think that software copy of the dictionary might be OK...


        Personally, you can put up StuffIt's 'aete' or dictionary (please
use the new 3.5 one if you are going to do it - it's SO MUCH NICER!).


Leonard

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Leonard Rosenthol                       Internet:       [e-mail]
Director of Engineering                 AppleLink:      MACgician
Aladdin Systems, Inc.                   GEnie:          MACgician
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Date:         Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:38:05 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Steve Michel <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Recordable Applications

>Does anyone know if ClarisWorks 3.0 will be recordable?  According to the
>Claris person I talked to, he said it was scriptable but didn't know if
>it was also recordable.  By the way, does anyone know if ClarisWorks 3.0
>supports the drag-and-drop in System 7.5?

ClarisWorks 3.0 is not scriptable and thus not recordable.
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Date:         Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:43:24 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AEResolve

>I'm attempting to take a non-scriptable app I sell, which runs about
>100K lines of C code, and make it scriptable.  I'm struggling
>to understand AEResolve and how it works.
>
>I have IM and I bought the AppleScript SDK and Events Registry from
>APDA.  But I can't find a coherent description of how AEResolve and
>the object model work together with NewOSLAccessorProc and my
>accessor functions.
>
>I am either missing a piece of documentation, or I'm not looking
>at the right place in what I've got, or I'm not understanding what
>I'm reading.  Suggestions as to which it might be?


Apple Developer University has a self-taught course on CD which covers
this...the version I have was early:  I understand the current version is
significantly improved.

Also, an article in "develop" magazine:

Issue 10 (May 1992):  "Apple Event Objects and You" by Richard Clark.

Also of interest (but not directly applicable to your app, since it deal
with an object-oriented approach)

Issue 12 (Dec 1992): "Better Apple Event Coding Through Objects" by Eric
Berdahl.

-----------
If it makes sense for your app, please make it attachable, too.  And
tinkerable, if that makes sense.  The former lets your users do things like
fire a script (any OSA language) when they make a change to a cell in a
spreadsheet (cf, InfoDepot)...the latter lets your user use a script to
change the behavior of a menu item:  New might be customized by running a
script which sets up conditions the user always wants.

Both are really pretty easy...in fact if you are starting from scratch (not
your situation here), you can fire scripts to do much of the work your
app's UI triggers, even right out of the box.

For some of this stuff:
develop Issue 18 (Jun 1994) "Programming for Flexibility:  The Open
Scripting Architecture" by Paul G. Smith

-----------
There have also been articles in MacTech, but I don't have references handy.

For $30 per year, you should--IMHO--have "develop" as part of your basic
programming equipment.  4 issues, each with a CD...each CD contains all
back issues (fixed, in many cases), and the example code from all the
issues (fixed, in many cases).  And a bunch of other useful stuff.  For
example, because they ran QuickDraw GX articles early on, the "develop" CD
was a source of the QD GX development stuff at a time when it wasn't on the
developer CD series, but only on seeds to Associates and Partners.

   --John

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[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
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Date:         Fri, 4 Nov 1994 12:47:09 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Shilling.Jeff" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Unmounting Volumes

Using the MountVol OASX I was able to write my first AppleScript. My script
mounts a bunch of volumes necessary to run a database.

I would like to be able to dismount the volumes after the user is finished with
them. Is there an OSAX to do this? Or any other way that does not involve the
scriptable Finder? I say without the scriptable Finder because we have a large
installed base that will be using this script.

All suggestions will be helpful.

Thanks,

Jeff
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Date:         Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:00:05 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AEResolve

>I'm attempting to take a non-scriptable app I sell, which runs about
>100K lines of C code, and make it scriptable.  I'm struggling
>to understand AEResolve and how it works.
>
>I have IM and I bought the AppleScript SDK and Events Registry from
>APDA.  But I can't find a coherent description of how AEResolve and
>the object model work together with NewOSLAccessorProc and my
>accessor functions.
>
>I am either missing a piece of documentation, or I'm not looking
>at the right place in what I've got, or I'm not understanding what
>I'm reading.  Suggestions as to which it might be?

If you haven't read the following Develop articles you should:

Apple Event Objects and You (issue 10) and

Better AppleEvent coding through Objects (issue 12)

You can subscribe to Develop via APDA [phone] for $30 a year
domestic, $50 a year international. Quartlerly with a CD. Each CD contains
all the back issues and all the sample code. A good deal.

You can also find all the Develop back copies and code on a Developer's CD
(probably the documentation issue)

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 4 Nov 1994 10:07:34 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: several Eudora questions:

>How do you move one message from one mailbox to another?   I've tried:
>
>move message 1 of mailbox "in" of mail folder "" to -|
>                mailbox "trash" of mail folder ""
>
    move message 8 of mailbox "In" of mail folder "" to =AC
        end of mailbox "Scripting" of mail folder ""

David

David Lewis     Seagate Technology      [phone]  [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 4 Nov 1994 12:21:26 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Greg Hiner <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Newbie Question

>Hello:
>
>Having recently begun working with Apple Script and subscribing to this
>group, I find myself with some questions.  First, what is the ftp site
>for gaes (sp)?

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/


 Secondly, I have "The Tao of Applescript", so are there
>any recommendations of books to get that would be better or supplement
>this?
>

Also The Complete Applescript HandBook.



Best-

Greg
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 4 Nov 1994 14:43:00 CST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dennis Whiteman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Recordable Applications

>Well, yes, but, as a published document, it is an always-obsolete snapshot
>in time.  [Most apps shown don't lose capabilities, although they may lose
>bugs scriptors have learned to work around.]

Or possibly a vision of future time. My copy of "AppleScript Guide to
Scriptable Applications" included MicroSoft Word 6.0 in January even though
the app has only been shipping a month or two. Several other apps aren't
yet shipping or haven't added some of the features in the guide. Others may
be have been sold or killed. And many news apps aren't included.

Dennis L. Whiteman
THE ULTIMATE FREELANCER

[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 4 Nov 1994 14:43:00 CST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dennis Whiteman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Newbie Question

>Having recently begun working with Apple Script and subscribing to this
>group, I find myself with some questions.  First, what is the ftp site
>for gaes (sp)?  Secondly, I have "The Tao of Applescript", so are there
>any recommendations of books to get that would be better or supplement
>this?

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/

I've been very pleased with "The Complete AppleScript Handbook" by Danny
Goodman, who frequents this area. A second edition is due in January.

Dennis L. Whiteman
THE ULTIMATE FREELANCER

[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 4 Nov 1994 10:49:46 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mike Shaff <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Graphic Scripting
In-Reply-To:  "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ"'s message of Fri,
              4 Nov 1994 15:11:00 +1300 <[e-mail]>

Greetings,

        [HyperTalk]  you can even type individual system calls into the message
        box, and see the results at once.

Wow!  Really, I think you have an awesome potential there.  I love the speed of
compiled code, but I sure miss an interpreter for working out things.  I must
admit, I miss Lisp.

Can you tell more about what is/isn't supported in your implementation?

Thanks!

Michael

P.S.  Your post brightened my morning.
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 4 Nov 1994 11:07:05 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Edmund Lai <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AEResolve

>I'm attempting to take a non-scriptable app I sell, which runs about
>100K lines of C code, and make it scriptable.  I'm struggling
>to understand AEResolve and how it works.
>
>I have IM and I bought the AppleScript SDK and Events Registry from
>APDA.  But I can't find a coherent description of how AEResolve and
>the object model work together with NewOSLAccessorProc and my
>accessor functions.
>
>I am either missing a piece of documentation, or I'm not looking
>at the right place in what I've got, or I'm not understanding what
>I'm reading.  Suggestions as to which it might be?

If you have the AppleScript SDK, you should have access to a sample
program called CoreSample in the Sample code folder. That may be
a godd place to start.


/* Disclaimer: All statments and opinions expressed are my own */
/* Edmund K. Lai                                               */
/* Apple Computer, MS303-3A                                    */
/* 20525 Mariani Ave,                                          */
/* Cupertino, CA 95014                                         */
/* [phone]                                               */
zW@h9cOi
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 4 Nov 1994 11:44:41 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Newbie Question

>>Hello:
>>
>>Having recently begun working with Apple Script and subscribing to this
>>group, I find myself with some questions.  First, what is the ftp site
>>for gaes (sp)?
>
>ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/
>
>
> Secondly, I have "The Tao of Applescript", so are there
>>any recommendations of books to get that would be better or supplement
>>this?
>>
>
>Also The Complete Applescript HandBook.

Get the AppleScript Language Guide and the AppleScript Scripting Additions
Guide (both in the AppleScript Scripter's Kit) published by Addison Wesley.

These are much better references than either Handbook (sorry Danny!) or the
Tao, especially if you need the real answer.

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 4 Nov 1994 14:53:18 CST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Peter Fleck - SMM <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Recordable Applications

>ClarisWorks 3.0 is not scriptable and thus not recordable.

Well, this is very strange. I opened the ClarisWorks 2.0(something) in
the Script Editor and tried to script it which resulted in some
system freezes or application quits. I figured a future version would
have improved scripting capabilities. I also figured the above answer
was wrong. So I tried to open the ClarisWorks dictionary (this time
version 2.1v4; no 3.0 yet) and discovered the dictionary was no longer
there.

Very interesting...

Peter
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 4 Nov 1994 19:15:24 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Paul G Smith <[e-mail]>
Organization: commstalk, & Full Moon Software
Subject:      Re: Graphic Scripting & aete library

In Regards to your letter <[e-mail]>:
>
> I've thought about (and even started) a list of the commands in different
> apps. Wouldn't that be a little better than the resource itself? Would we be
> violating any copyrights by posting aete's? I'd be willing to provide a place
> for it on gaea.
>

Copyright issues apart posting the aete's would be a lot more use:
that would allows us developers to try & make sure we don't
accidentally trample on other developers' usage of apple event ids,
class ids, property ids, and so on. Currently there's no way at all to
check this out reliably.


best regards, Paul

+------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Paul G Smith, Full Moon Software        || UK ph: [phone]
| PO Box 116, ST ALBANS, Herts AL1 2RL UK ||   fax: [phone]
| & Full Moon Software, Inc               || US ph: 408 253 7199
| P O Box 700237, SAN JOSE, CA 95170 USA  ||   fax: [phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 4 Nov 1994 14:17:07 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Doug Baron <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Recordable Applications

>>Can anyone tell me how to find out what apps are recordable, not merely
>>scriptable? The only recordable apps I know of now are:
>
>Excel 5.0
>Word 6.0 (but it spits out DoScripts with Basic commands)
>Stuffit Deluxe/Lite
>InTouch 3.0
>Cirrus 2.0
>InfoDepot 2.0
>JPEG View 3.0 (freeware!)
>Snippets/Decoder Ring (which I have but never tried recording -- poor UI)
>JMP 3.0
>PowerAgent
>Userland Frontier 2.1 (or later)
>WordPerfect 3.0 (so buggy as to be unusable -- 3.1 fixes a lot)
>
>With the AppleScript Scripters kit they provided a guide to Scriptable
>Applications (most of these are in there).
>

Actually, they got the bit about Frontier wrong: Frontier can _record_
recordable applications. It's not recordable itself.

Also, PixelPaint Pro 3.0 is recordable, I believe.

Doug
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 4 Nov 1994 17:24:48 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Barry Chern <[e-mail]>
Subject:      read/write commands

I'm sitting here looking at dictionaries for a variety of additions for
working with text files, and wondering if anybody has any experiences that
would lead them to prefer one over another.

Specifically, I'm wondering if I should replace the commands from Apple's
read/write addition with the simpler ones from Peter Lewis' Text Files
Suite if I don't need the complexity of the read/write commands. It would
save a lot of code involved in opening and closing the files and error
checking to make sure they get closed if something goes wrong along the
way etc. But, is it safer to take care of all that stuff myself? Will it
really speed things up to use the simpler commands, or are they taking
more time to open and close each file each time they're called? Any other
thoughts on the matter?

I appreciate cc's of brilliant perceptions, since I get the digest and
therefore there's some delay involved.

thanks,
Barry
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 4 Nov 1994 16:36:05 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Dennis J. Hagner" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AEResolve

To Dana Cartwright,
  You spoke of trying to find out how to use AEResolve.
Aren't we all.  I found that when I have problems
figuring out how to use something, I look at the code
from the Think Class Library (I'm using Symantec C++
7.0) and see how they did it.  Once I see it in action,
it makes it alot easier to write it myself!

Dennis J. Hagner
Programmer/Operator
Lamar University
Beaumont, Texas
e-mail: [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 4 Nov 1994 15:43:33 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Matthew Frederick <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Finding every occurence of a delimiter

>   A portion of a script I am writing contains a nested repeat loop which I
>would like to get ride to enhance speed performance.  The loop contains a
>check for every occurence of a tab to see if the file contains data or not.

You might try using Wayne Walrath's excellent "Tokenize" and "Join List"
OSAXen (available on gaea as "ACME Script Widgets") -- first, tokenize the
string with {tab} as the delimiter, and then Join List on the result with
{} as the delimiter list. If the resultant string is empty (or equal to the
special word that begins each of your original strings), you know it's
empty.

If your original has returns because it has multiple lines, you can
tokenize with tab and return as your delmiters.

Matthew

----------------------------------------------------------
"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said
it -- even if I have said it -- unless it agrees with your
own reason and your common sense."            --The Buddha
----------------------------------------------------------
Matthew Frederick, Phoenix, Arizona, USA  ([e-mail])
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Nov 1994 15:19:17 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Travel, Mike" <Travel#m#[e-mail]>
Subject:      Accessing scripting additions on remote machines

Does anyone know why this isn't possible or if it is, how to do it.

this doesn't work --
tell app "Finder" of machine "myMac" of zone "myZone"
     display dialog "testing"
end tell

I get the message "Finder got an error.  No user interaction allowed."

Linking and sharing are both on.

Whats strange is that you can use the OSAX 'beep' and it works just fine.

Thanks for any advice
Peace,
Mike
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 4 Nov 1994 21:26:42 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dennis Whiteman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: List of Lists

>set totalList to {totalList} & {newListElement}

For appending a list to a list, I use the following:

Set List1 to (1,2,3}

Set List2 to {4,5,6}

Set Combinelist to List1 & every item of List2

=> (1,2,3,{4,5,6}}

Dennis L. Whiteman
THE ULTIMATE FREELANCER

[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 4 Nov 1994 23:36:00 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Accessing scripting additions on remote machines

Travel, Mike <Travel#m#[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Does anyone know why this isn't possible or if it is, how to do it.
>
>this doesn't work --
>tell app "Finder" of machine "myMac" of zone "myZone"
>     display dialog "testing"
>end tell
>
>I get the message "Finder got an error.  No user interaction allowed."
>
>Linking and sharing are both on.
>
>Whats strange is that you can use the OSAX 'beep' and it works just fine.

The default user action level is "interact with local".  This means that
interaction is allowed if the event is sent from the same machine, but not
if sent from another machine.  This means that it doesn't allow you to put
up dialogs on other people's machines.

The application receiving the event can change its own interaction level,
ideally to "interact with remote".  PhotoFlash allows you to change an
interaction level property, although we normally turn it down so that we
don't get dialogs which stop the script.  You could also turn it up so that
remote scripts can put up dialogs.  Quark has this property this too.

The way around this is to do this:

tell app "Finder" of machine "myMac" of zone "myZone"
     run script "display dialog \"testing\""
end tell

This way the event is sent from the local machine and it works.

This "user interaction level" property is a must have for all scriptable
applications.  Hmm, it could be an osax.  Another one for the queue.  ;)

Jon
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 5 Nov 1994 00:20:05 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Accessing scripting additions on remote machines

>Does anyone know why this isn't possible or if it is, how to do it.
>
>this doesn't work --
>tell app "Finder" of machine "myMac" of zone "myZone"
>     display dialog "testing"
>end tell
>
>I get the message "Finder got an error.  No user interaction allowed."
>
>Linking and sharing are both on.
>
>Whats strange is that you can use the OSAX 'beep' and it works just fine.

I believe AppleScript sends events to remote machines with the user
interaction flag in the event set to kAENeverInteract (events to the local
machine are sent with the flag set to kAECanInteract).  Makes sense in the
general case, where the machine being sent to may have a poor unsuspecting
user sitting there working.

I also believe it is not possible to control this flag in AppleScript
[Frontier allows setting either kAEAlwaysInteract or kAENeverInteract in
outgoing messages].

Whether an incoming event causes user interaction is controlled both by the
sender and the receiving application...the sender sets up one of three
values
   kAENeverInteract
   kAECanInteract
   kAEAlwaysInteract

[The difference between "Can" and "Always" is pretty "soft"...Can might
cause interaction for alerts and dialogs which the server needs to pose to
get information, whereas Always would do that plus interacting to put up
progress displays and such.  Never implies either return an error (as you
saw, there's a special error code) or using default values.  Different apps
do things differently.]


A receiving app which wishes to interact may make a call to
AESetInteractionAllowed, to set up one of three states:

   kAEInteractWithSelf
   kAEInteractWithLocal  (the default, in effect before AESetInteractionAllowed)
   kAEInteractWithAll

Before doing any user interaction, the server app makes yet another call:
AEInteractWithUser ().

   The AE Manager now looks at the flag in the event, and the application's
state, and where the event came from (a send-to-self, a local app, a remote
app), and decides whether interaction is valid.  If not, an error is
returned.  If interaction is valid, the AE Manager may bring the server to
the front directly (there's another flag in the event which influences
this) if it is not, or it may use the Notificaton Manager to do so.  Either
way, once the server app is in front, the AEInteractWithUser call returns
with a no error status, at which point the app is free to interact (and
knows it is in front).

   I'm glad this wasn't made complex.  --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 5 Nov 1994 20:56:38 +1100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jeremy Peter Howard <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Recordable Applications
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]> from "John W.
              Baxter" at Nov 3, 94 11:46:08 pm

>
> >Can anyone tell me how to find out what apps are recordable, not merely
> >scriptable? The only recordable apps I know of now are:
> > System 7.5 Finder
> > Scriptable Text Editor
> > PhotoFlash
> >
> >As a beginner, I find it much easier to work with recordable apps -- I can
> >basically make my own example scripts.
> >
> >Has anyone been working with other recordable applications? Which ones? TIA!
>
> StuffIt Deluxe and SITcomm from Aladdin (StuffIt Deluxe 3.5 is a
> worth-while upgrade, BTW).
>
> InfoDepot.
> [...]
What's InfoDepot? I understand it's attachable--in what way? What's the
pricing/availability?

Thanks for any info,


/==============================\
| Jeremy P. Howard              |       "Logic must take care of itself."
| [e-mail]  |        Ludwig Wittgenstein
\==============================/         Tractatus Logico-Philisophicus
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 5 Nov 1994 05:19:46 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kyraden <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Another "wait" question

After following the previous posts about using idle handlers and such, I
decided to automate the reboot of my MUD server when the rest of my server
reboots. Here's the script:

        global whatsNext
        on run
                 launch application "MacMud 3.2()"
                 set whatsNext to "setup"
        end run

        on idle
                 if whatsNext is "setup" then
                        set whatsNext to "Done"
                        return (60 / 6)
                else
                         tell application "MacMud 3.2()"
                                 "Startup MacMud"
                         end tell
                end if
        end idle

The problem here is that the result is always "setup", and so thus, the
script quits then, not continuing through to do the tell. Any help would be
*greatly* appreciated!

TIA,

==============================================================
Jaeson M. Engle                                              (aka: Colaks
Kyraden    GodKing)
xxx "ASpectreSoViolentInItsViewsLiesImperviousAltitudeHasATendancy xxx
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx UnderPressureToRevealItsIdentity" xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[e-mail]                Elomense(MUD): josaiah.sewanee.edu 1999
==============================================================
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 4 Nov 1994 12:09:33 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Thomas G. Ostertag" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re(2): MACSCRPT Digest - 22 Oct 1994 to 23 Oct 1994

Why did I get this?
_________________________________________________________________
At 24/10/94, Automatic digest processor wrote:
>
>At 07:23 10/23/94, Jeremy Quinn wrote:
>>I want to write a script that will "get" the selected URL in a Eudora
>>window via a Web clients "Open URL" event.
>
>--------------------
>Regarding Frontier [...]
>
>    Eudora.eventInfo.selectedText = 'eStx'
>
>Then, this statement will obtain the current selected text from Eudora:
>    core.get (Eudora.id, Eudora.eventInfo.selectedText)
>
>You could add a "plain" get event to your Eudora glue table if you want to
>(assuming Frontier 3.0.x):
>
>on get (obj, as = nil)
>    core.get (Eudora.id, obj, as)
>
>Then you could just write
>with Eudora
>    get (selectedText)
>
>I hope this helps.  [To discover the value 'eStx', I had the Commercial
>Developer's Suite which ships with Frontier build a new glue table
>(different name), and looked up the value of selectedText.]


Thank you for an exellent reply! Yes it works!
I learnt so many new things about Frontier from this one message!

I would like to make this script available on gaea. Another thing I never
worked out with Frontier is how to make an installer, that includes scripts
from different locations in my DB. There are components of this script
scattered around my Frontier/Runtime root in:-

system.verbs.apps.Eudora                (2 additions to glue table)
system.verbs.apps.Eudora.eventinfo      (1 addition)
system.verbs.apps.Mozilla               (NetScape's glue table)
system.menubars.CSOm                    (1 menu)

Thanks again for your help

Jeremy

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 5 Nov 1994 13:14:12 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "a.h.s. boy" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      HTTP scripts URL

Just poking around the Web, I ran across this page of AppleScript/MacHTTP
script information, for those of you who might be wondering what use AS is
for MacHTTP.

URL: http://edb518ea.edb.utexas.edu/scripts/cgix/cgix.html

spud.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
a.h.s. boy ---------------------- manifesto overlord, dada typographics
--------------------------------- spud on MediaMOO, Lambda MOO, PMC-MOO
[e-mail] ----------- Web:    http://access.digex.net/~spud


mangez du chocolat / lavez votre cerveau / dada / dada / buvez de l'eau
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 5 Nov 1994 12:23:30 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kyraden <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: HTTP scripts URL

>Just poking around the Web, I ran across this page of AppleScript/MacHTTP
>script information, for those of you who might be wondering what use AS is
>for MacHTTP.
>
>URL: http://edb518ea.edb.utexas.edu/scripts/cgix/cgix.html
>
>spud.
>
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>a.h.s. boy ---------------------- manifesto overlord, dada typographics
>--------------------------------- spud on MediaMOO, Lambda MOO, PMC-MOO
>[e-mail] ----------- Web:    http://access.digex.net/~spud
>
>
>mangez du chocolat / lavez votre cerveau / dada / dada / buvez de l'eau

I tried to check this out just now, but at first couldn't access the URL,
thengot unknown errors, after truncating the url a bit, to a higher
directory. Anyone else have trouble with this one?

==============================================================
Jaeson M. Engle                                              (aka: Colaks
Kyraden    GodKing)
xxx "ASpectreSoViolentInItsViewsLiesImperviousAltitudeHasATendancy xxx
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx UnderPressureToRevealItsIdentity" xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[e-mail]                Elomense(MUD): josaiah.sewanee.edu 1999
==============================================================
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 5 Nov 1994 14:59:32 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Brian Collard <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scriptable FTP with Firewall

Does anyone have any suggestions for a scriptable ftp client through
firewall.  Currently we are using Anarchie internally by it cannot go through
the Firewall even though VersaTerm FTP Client can ftp through Firewall.
 Unfortunately VersaTerm FTP Client or VersaTerm Link does not support
scripting for FTP sessions, and their people have indicated that this will
never be supported since they implemented via comm toolbox.  Also I have
tried the Mango software but have been unable to get it to work throught
Firewall.  Also Software Ventures is soon to release new product Snatcher
that should address this but they have not even started beta.  Currently here
are the possible solutions I have found.
1.)  Snatcher, but not tested and not released.
2.)  VersaTerm FTP Client with Quickeys but this gets interupted by user
mouse clicks.
3.)  Anarchie, Peter Lewis has indicated he will be releasing a new version
shortly although I am not sure if this will deal with Firewall problem.
4.)  Mango, ?.
5.)  Eudora ?? no experience.
6.)  Apple's Developer kit for MacTCP, sounds like a lot of work.
7.)  VersaTerm FTP Client driven by MPW.

If anyone has comments or suggestions it would be appreciated.  The Firewall
is a Sparc1 supporting standard UNIX commands such as ls, get, put.

Thanks
Brian Collard
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 5 Nov 1994 12:27:40 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kee Nethery [phone] <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scriptable FTP with Firewall

>Does anyone have any suggestions for a scriptable ftp client through
>firewall.  Currently we are using Anarchie internally by it cannot go through

....snip

>If anyone has comments or suggestions it would be appreciated.  The Firewall
>is a Sparc1 supporting standard UNIX commands such as ls, get, put.

One way to handle firewalls for Macintosh users is to provide access
through the firewall via an IP Gateway. Apple has a product called the
Apple IP Gateway that can be used to safely span a firewall.

You install the Apple IP Gateway on a Mac with an ethernet card. Configure
it for dynamic address assignments only. Have the IP Gateway AppleTalk port
and IP port be on the same ethernet card. Configure the firewall to allow
IP packets to and from the physical address of the ethernet card in the IP
Gateway (not it's many IP addresses).

Users configure MacTCP to use the IP gateway. When they launch an IP
process, MacTCP makes a connection to the gateway, assigns an available IP
address and the user communicates to the outside world.

>From the outside, the firewall only allows access to the IP Gateway and the
IP gateway prevents access to the internal network. The IP gateway does not
prevent external access to Macs connected to the gateway who have also
installed IP server software but the number of folks who would setup a
server on a machine that gets randomly assigned addresses is very slim.
Even if users install server software, since their address changes each
time they restart their mac, they can be difficult to locate from the
outside. It's pretty secure.

Because the IP Gateway is inside the firewall, it allows users to connect
to both internal and external IP services without making any special
arrangements. One advantage of the Apple IP Gateway is that you can use
multiple macs as IP Gateways on the same AppleTalk zone if the 253 users
per gateway isn't enough OR if you need a lower number of users per IP
Gateway for performance reasons.

I appologize that this is not a scripting question and answer but since the
question was asked in this mailing list, and there are probably folks in a
similar situation, I figured I should reply to the list.

Kee Nethery
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 5 Nov 1994 18:32:23 PST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Eric Bowman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Best way to script "Shared" finder info flag?

Howdy,

Could anyone tell me the best way to set a file's "Shared" finder flag (like
in a "Get File/Folder Info..." ResEdit window) via AppleScript?  Does an OSAX
exist for this?

Many thanks,
bobo
--
Eric Bowman
[e-mail]
Biology Department
Reed College
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 5 Nov 1994 20:12:46 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Leonard Rosenthol <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scriptable FTP with Firewall

At 7:59 PM 11/5/94, Brian Collard wrote:
>Does anyone have any suggestions for a scriptable ftp client through
>firewall.  Currently here are the possible solutions I have found.
>1.)  Snatcher, but not tested and not released.
>
        Can't comment other than to say that it is VERY scriptable - assume
that it ships ;).


>2.)  VersaTerm FTP Client with Quickeys but this gets interupted by user
>mouse clicks.
>
        You actually CAN script this using a scriptable comm program (like
SITcomm) as there are "CTB commands" supported by the tool to allow you to
do most things.  There is also a direct programmer's API to the tool...


>3.)  Anarchie, Peter Lewis has indicated he will be releasing a new version
>shortly although I am not sure if this will deal with Firewall problem.
>
        The current version (1.4.x) of Anarchie supports most firewalls.
Have you tried that version?


Leonard

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Leonard Rosenthol                       Internet:       [e-mail]
Director of Advanced Technology         AppleLink:      MACgician
Aladdin Systems, Inc.                   GEnie:          MACgician
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 6 Nov 1994 10:30:24 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Brian Harrison <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scripting MacHTTP

>Fellow scripters:
>
>I am trying to write a script to, when requested, activate TR-WWW (a searching
>application), bring it to the foreground (speed improvement), set the MacHTTP
>Pig_Delay to a low value and then perform a search using TR-WWW.  After TR-WWW
>finishes, the results should be sent back to my script for forwarding to
>MacHTTP and then to the client.

>When submitting a form to the above script, TR-WWW activates, loads the set of
>files requested, searches them, and then my script returns the following error
>message back to the client:
>
>ERROR: 1 tr-www.cgi got an error: An error of type 1 has occurred.
>

Dave,  sounds like memory....  try allocating more memory to the TR-WWW app
("get info" on the app, increasing the preferred memory size to as large a
number as you can stand given your memory configuration and the other apps
running, etc.)
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 6 Nov 1994 17:30:47 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dan Hinckley <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Eudora auto-reply

Working on an auto-reply from Eudora & it has one bug: after completing the
"connect with checking" and the filtering into mailbox "test" Eudora throws
up an Alert: Sorry, couldn't start that application!" -192 {16.3373}. I hit
OK and the script completes its drill. Tried turning off the Mail Arrived
alerts in Eudora but no joy. Anyone tell me what's up?

(PS: I scounged most of this code from all the helpful folks on the list
and it has saved wads of time. Thanks!)
----------begin script--------
if not (PPPopened) then
        openPPP
end if
with timeout of 9999 seconds
     tell application "Eudora 2.1"
           connect with checking      <---- problem after this action +
filtering
            set ct to count of message in mailbox "test"
            if ct > 0 then
               repeat with n from 1 to ct
                     if subject of message n in mailbox "test" contains
"test" then
                           set theReply to reply message n of mailbox
"test" with quoting and self
                           set signature of message 0 to alternate
                           set field "subject" of message 0 to "In response
to your request.."
                           set theBod to body of theReply
                           set body of theReply to "(Automatic response
text goes here)
Here's what you wrote:" & return & return & theBod
                             queue message 0
                         end if
                    end repeat
         end if
         set q_stat to status of last message of mailbox "out"
         if q_stat is queued then
            connect with sending
         end if
    end tell
end timeout
activate
activate
activate
closePPP
----------end script---------
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 7 Nov 1994 10:07:00 +1300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Launching an app in the background

Greg Francis <[e-mail]> writes:

>I am running a script that launches StuffIt Expander. It has the potential of
>doing the launching while AfterDark is active. The problem I'm having is that
>launching an application while AfterDark is active is causing the application
>to not fully launch until AfterDark goes away (I move the mouse or press a
>key).

When using After Dark, remember the Golden Rule: if it causes you trouble,
get rid of it.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Computer Services Dept                     fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 7 Nov 1994 11:25:00 +1300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Question: Applets and Multi-Threading

[Sorry this message is 12 days late, on account of the screwup with the list
address. I figure the information is still relevant, so I'm reposting it.]

David Lewis <[e-mail]> points out:

>>use a semaphor lock:
>>
>>on doWork()
>>        if not busy then
>        ***Danger, Will Robinson, Danger***
>>                set busy to true
>>                -- do the work
>>                set busy to false
>>        end if
>
>There is a subtle but important bug here. In a re-entrant environment,
>another process could come in at the indicated point and you'd be in
>trouble in a way that would hit rarely enough to truly drive you crazy.
>What you need is a test-and-set operation which is guaranteed atomic.

This might not be necessary. As I understand it, AppleScript's "multithreading"
works like this: the script is always in a position to respond to new messages,
even while it's handling an existing one. When the new message comes in, the
currently-executing handler is suspended, and only resumed after the new
message has been completely handled.

Thus, there is no round-robin scheduling among currently-executing threads:
they just go on a stack, and the topmost one is allowed to run to completion
before resuming the previous one.

If my understanding is correct, the above check should work just fine.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Computer Services Dept                     fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 7 Nov 1994 11:54:00 +1300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Copyright (was Re: Graphic Scripting & aete library

Leonard Rosenthol <[e-mail]> writes:

>>You would need Copyright clearance for each and every 'aete' resource in
>>the collection, from the copyright owner.
>
>        Yeah, the legalities are kinda interesting on this one.  The format
>of an 'aete', since it is public isn't copyrightable.  The standard suite
>names, etc. can't be since they are "standard", but one could argue that
>the "private" stuff and the combination could be.

However, bear in mind what happens when you open a dictionary in the
Script Editor, or send a "get terminology" event to an application--you get
back a copy of the aete. Is this a violation of copyright? AppleScript
caches the aete's, so it doesn't have to keep retrieving them every time
you recompile a script--is this a violation of copyright?

Say you print the contents of a dictionary window in the Script Editor,
and distribute copies (either on paper, or electronically as a QuickDraw GX
Portable Digital Document) to people. Is that a violation of copyright?

As I understood it, copyright applies to the expression of information, not
to the information itself. Given a certain set of terminology information,
the aete syntax doesn't give you many choices in how you express that
information.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Computer Services Dept                     fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 7 Nov 1994 12:24:00 +1300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AEResolve

"Dana E. Cartwright 315-442-9104" <[e-mail]> writes:

>I'm attempting to take a non-scriptable app I sell, which runs about
>100K lines of C code, and make it scriptable.  I'm struggling
>to understand AEResolve and how it works.

Other people have mentioned the article in "develop" issue 10. That's a good
introduction to the basic capabilities provided by the AppleEvent Manager
and the Object Support Library. But in my view, if you're going to write
a fully scriptable and recordable application that supports the AppleEvent
Object Model, these capabilities are nowhere near enough: you will need to
build a framework on top of them.

I've been refining such a framework, using a couple of projects-in-progress
as testbeds. The key was use of the "token", which the OSL allows to be
anything you like. I define it as an AERecord, with a number of standard
field types, not all of which have to be present in all tokens.

A lot of these fields contain action routines, which are invoked via standard
dispatchers. For example, my generic "get data" AppleEvent handler looks in
the token for field containing a get-data action routine; if it doesn't find
one, it next looks for a field containing the address to copy the data from;
and finally it looks for another field containing the literal data itself.
This gives you maximum flexibility in how you deal with different types of data.

My tokens also contain object accessor routines for the different element and
property types that the objects can contain. These are invoked via a single
generic object accessor that is installed globally with typeWildCard for both
its desiredClass and containerType. I find this gives me more flexibility than
having to install all my actual object accessors directly at the global level,
as the OSL normally requires.

This all sounds very object-oriented, but it isn't, really: it's a lot more
dynamic, and there's no implicit inheritance chain. Also, it allows me to
deal with the problem Jon Pugh and I argued over some weeks back, where if you
perform a lengthy operation on a bunch of objects, some programs give you a
quick succession of progress dialogs, instead of a single one for the whole
operation. By the way, this is all written in Modula-2.

So far it's been working quite well. Adding new properties, new elements
and new event types to my application has been a relatively painless process.
I'm currently trying to think of a good, general way of dealing with comparison
routines, which are needed for "where" and "whose" clauses. No doubt this will
mean adding a new class of action routines to my token AERecords...

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Computer Services Dept                     fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 7 Nov 1994 14:14:00 +1300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Graphic Scripting

Mike Shaff <[e-mail]> asks:

>        [HyperTalk]  you can even type individual system calls into the message
>        box, and see the results at once.
>
>Wow!  Really, I think you have an awesome potential there.  I love the speed of
>compiled code, but I sure miss an interpreter for working out things.  I must
>admit, I miss Lisp.

LISP probably has much more innate power for interfacing to system things in
this way, but it also carries more overhead. Also it isn't as widespread,
which limits the opportunities for other people to take things that I create
and modify them.

>Can you tell more about what is/isn't supported in your implementation?

Let's see, QuickDraw functions: about 195 of these. They correspond pretty
much to direct QuickDraw calls: thus, I have ones for doing PaintRect,
FillCRect, EraseRgn etc. I also add some extra utility functions, like
DrawPictureFromFile, which takes the name of a PICT file, and draws it
directly into the specified port and destination rectangle. One neat feature
of HyperCard 2.1/2.2 is that a window ID is actually the decimal integer
address of the WindowRecord/GrafPort structure. Thus, my QuickDraw externals
can draw into any of HyperCard's windows.

I also have a couple of other sets for doing calls to the QuickTime Movie
Toolbox and Image Compression Manager. You can create movies, do low-level
editing, extract data from movies, fiddle playback rates etc.

QuickDraw GX functions: I think I've done about 140 of these so far. You
can create path shapes, polygon shapes and basic text shapes. You can do all
the matrix manipulations (I even have a utility routine to create perspective
mappings). There's full support of on-screen and offscreen viewports.
   QuickDraw GX is a much bigger API than old QuickDraw. Also, I'm a little
more RSI-conscious (and rather less compulsive) than I was last year...

Of course, it's all very well drawing into HyperCard's windows, but what you
draw is liable to disappear when HyperCard next does an update. To fix this,
I put together a simple hack I call Update Monitor. Basically this patches
a couple of traps, and sends "Update" messages to your HyperTalk scripts,
telling you that a card window needs updating. It's sort of a poor person's
ColorizeHC/Color Tools, without the RAM overhead of large preallocated
offscreen buffers, and hopefully with a bit more flexibility. On the down
side, it doesn't look as slick--I can't update while the user is holding the
command and option keys down, for example, though I do update as soon as they
let go.

That should be enough self-advertising :-). As you can see, there's quite a
lot of work gone into these externals, and I'm looking for ways to get some
money back for them, which is why I haven't just published them on the net.
If you have a use for them, or a suggestion for distribution, talk to me.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Computer Services Dept                     fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 6 Nov 1994 21:34:03 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         John Dunning <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scriptable Finder questions

I believe Finder 7.1.3 is "the Scriptable Finder."  However, when I was
using it with AppleScript 1.1, it wasn't recordable and wouldn't accept a
script that used the "delete selection" command.  Also, if I open Finder
7.1.3's dictionary, it lists the Finder 7.0 dictionary.  The same thing
happens with Finder 7.1.4, from System 7.5.  If I install the Scriptable
Finder Extension (which appears to contain the Scriptable Finder
dictionary), recording and the delete selection scripts work fine.

I was under the impression that "the Scriptable Finder" was scriptable all
by itself, without any other extensions.  Is that not the case?

On a different note, I've got the Scripting Menu v. 1.0B1.  It seems like a
very useful extension.  Is there a newer, "official" release available
anywhere?


John

______________________________________________________________________________
John Dunning                                    [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 7 Nov 1994 11:53:01 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         WalrathW <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Best way to script "Shared" finder info flag?

> Could anyone tell me the best way to set a file's "Shared" finder flag
(like
> in a "Get File/Folder Info..." ResEdit window) via AppleScript?  Does an
OSAX
> exist for this?

This isn't always a good idea to do. If an application modifies resources in
its resource fork, then it's not a good candidate for being a shareable app.
You'll be taking chances if you change this.

I'm not sure if an OSAX exists for setting finder flags or not.

-wayne
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 7 Nov 1994 08:56:56 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Andy Cemelli (remote)" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Script Help

I want to be able to read in records from a text file and write them
out again...The first character of each line is often a LineFeed
(from a DOS text file) i want to test it (this works) and delete it
if it is a linefeed...but when i put "characters 2 through (length of
namefield) of namefield" into a variable it ends up with spaces
between each of the characters...

I tried to delete character 1 of the variable but apparently it
doesn't know how to do that...

Also is there a tighter way to do the loop of running through each
record than what i've done with counting characters (pointer)?

Thanks much, Andy
-----------------------------------------------
to ProcessFile(anObj)
#copy (open for access anObj without write permission) to fid
#copy (open for access (a reference to file (anObj & ".IC")) with
write permission) to newfid
#copy (get eof fid) to filelen
#copy 0 to pointer
#set savedtextitemdelimiters to AppleScript's text item delimiters
#set AppleScript's text item delimiters to tab
#repeat while pointer < filelen
##copy (read fid until return) to temp
##copy (length of temp) + pointer to pointer
##copy text item 1 of temp to namefield
##if (character 1 of namefield is "#") then
###copy (characters 2 through (length of namefield) of namefield) to
namefield
##end if
##copy (text item 3 of temp & tab & namefield & tab & text item 8 of
temp & "#" & text item 9 of temp & "#" & text item 11 of temp &
"#" & text item 12 of temp & tab & text item 4 of temp & "#" &
text item 5 of temp & ", " & text item 6 of temp & "  " & text item 7
of temp & "#" & text item 10 of temp & tab & tab & tab & tab & text
item 2 of temp & tab & tab & tab & tab & tab & text item 13 of temp &
return) to writestuff
##write writestuff to newfid
#end repeat
#close access fid
#close access newfid
#set AppleScript's text item delimiters to savedtextitemdelimiters
end ProcessFile
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 7 Nov 1994 08:56:48 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Fred.Terry." <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Jon's Commands 1.2
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Sat, 05 Nov 94 01:34:04 PST"

Hi Everyone,

Jon Pugh has released version 1.2 of his handy osaxen. He says....

Jon's Commands is a collection of useful AppleScript Scripting Additions.
This release adds 2 new commands, "set cursor to" and "AE user interaction
level".  Now you can set the cursor to indicate busy scripts, including
animated cursors, and you can enable or disable user interaction in
programs you are scripting.


You'll find them in

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/osaxen/JonsCommands1.2.sit.hqx


Enjoy.

pf
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Date:         Mon, 7 Nov 1994 10:27:06 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Hadfield <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Best Place to get info on FaceSpan

Where is the best place to get FaceSpan questions answered?  Are there a
lot of FaceSpan users in this e-mail list?

Mark Hadfield
[e-mail]
The Hospital For Sick Children
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 7 Nov 1994 08:31:43 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Best Place to get info on FaceSpan

>Where is the best place to get FaceSpan questions answered?  Are there a
>lot of FaceSpan users in this e-mail list?
>
>Mark Hadfield
>[e-mail]
>The Hospital For Sick Children

Apple Devloper Tech support?

Here is a good a place as any.

Kevin "beta testing FaceSpan 1.0 every day" Purcell

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 7 Nov 1994 08:55:19 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Stuller <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Waiting....

I have a script that executes a FileMaker script.  Then another FM script
and then another.  I needs however to _wait_ till the first one is done
before trying to do the second, and third.

Is there a wait command in AS?

Thanks

___________________________________________________________
Mark Stuller,Systems Analyst     Oregon Dept of Agriculture
[e-mail]                Voice: 503.986.4609
http://www.oda.state.or.us                FAX: [phone]
___________________________________________________________
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 7 Nov 1994 00:53:35 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Andy Cemelli (remote)" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Script Help

I want to be able to read in records from a text file and write them
out again...The first character of each line is often a LineFeed
(from a DOS text file) i want to test it (this works) and delete it
if it is a linefeed...but when i put "characters 2 through (length of
namefield) of namefield" into a variable it ends up with spaces
between each of the characters...

Also is there a tighter way to do the loop than what i've done with
counting characters?

Thanks much, Andy
-----------------------------------------------
to ProcessFile(anObj)
#copy (open for access anObj without write permission) to fid
#copy (open for access (a reference to file (anObj & ".IC")) with
write permission) to newfid
#copy (get eof fid) to filelen
#copy 0 to pointer
#set savedtextitemdelimiters to AppleScript's text item delimiters
#set AppleScript's text item delimiters to tab
#repeat while pointer < filelen
##copy (read fid until return) to temp
##copy (length of temp) + pointer to pointer
##copy text item 1 of temp to namefield
##if (character 1 of namefield is "#") then
###copy (characters 2 through (length of namefield) of namefield) to
namefield
##end if
##copy (text item 3 of temp & tab & namefield & tab & text item 8 of
temp & "#" & text item 9 of temp & "#" & text item 11
of temp & "#" & text item 12 of temp & tab & text item 4 of temp & "#"
& text item 5 of temp & ", " & text item 6 of temp & "  " & text item
7 of temp & "#" & text item 10 of temp & tab & tab & tab & tab &
text item 2 of temp & tab & tab & tab & tab & tab & text
item 13 of temp & return) to writestuff
##write writestuff to newfid
#end repeat
#close access fid
#close access newfid
#set AppleScript's text item delimiters to savedtextitemdelimiters
end ProcessFile
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 7 Nov 1994 14:35:16 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         sexonwheelz <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Hypercard Scripting Question

 Hi everyone--

 I'm attempting to script HyperCard 2.2, and I keep getting this minor, but
 debilitating problem.  Here is the code I use to access the HyperCard
 appplication i'm using:

        activate application "HyperCard"
        tell application "HyperCard"
                set folderScript to "CreateFolder " & (myGroup as string)
                do script folderScript
        end tell

 What is supposed to happen here is that HyperCard will open, will access
 a stack called "X-Archive" with a function "CreateFolder" in it, and
 Create a folder whose name is stored in myGroup.  The problem i'm having
 is that the script runs fine, and HyperCard is opened, but it is hidden,
 and does nothing.  When I activate HyperCard manually, using the icon
 on the far right of the Finder's menubar, HyperCard asks me "Where is
 Home?", to which i answer "X-Archive", and _then_ the folder is created.
 My question, then, is, what commands do i need to use to ensure that
 the folder is created without the user _explicitly_ making Hypercard the
 active application, and designating Home.  Also, this is not AppleScript
 related, but i am not all that familiar with the ins and outs of HyperCard,
 and so i was wondering, what is "Home", in the HyperCard context?
 Thanks in advance for all your help.

 eric brunick


+ "you're the prettiest of them all, but tell me something....what's wrong  +
+  with you, what's wrong with everybody in this crazy place?!?!"--SP       +
+ "even the most primative societies have an innate respect for the insane" +
+  [e-mail]  ||   --RUMBLE FISH               +
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Date:         Mon, 7 Nov 1994 14:36:56 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Karl F. Bridges" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scripting print ps in Quark
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]> from "Eric Bowman" at Nov 5,
              94 06:32:23 pm

        Anyone know the correct syntax for applescripting a print to
postscript function in quark.  I know how to open the doc, do the repeat
loop, ect.  I'm just unclear on the syntax of the print command itself
and whatver parameters if any need to be included. --


*****************************************************************************
Karl Bridges
[e-mail]
*****************************************************************************
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Date:         Mon, 7 Nov 1994 14:39:10 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         sexonwheelz <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Writing to a text file

>
> >Is there an osax which will allow me to read from and write to a text file?
> >I know I can do this with the Scriptable Text Editor, but it seems a bit
> >clunky.
>
> The read/write commands that are part of AppleScript 1.1 allow you to read
> from and write to standard text files. In fact, I'm using one now to log my
> PPP connect times. Version 1.1 of this oxax crashes on PowerMacs, but 1.1.1
> ships as part of System 7.5.
>
OK--what are these specific commands?  I have AppleScript 1.1, but I can't
find the right commands--I _think_ its "copy", from looking at "Language
at a Glance" but i'm not sure.  Thanks.

eric

+ "you're the prettiest of them all, but tell me something....what's wrong  +
+  with you, what's wrong with everybody in this crazy place?!?!"--SP       +
+ "even the most primative societies have an innate respect for the insane" +
+  [e-mail]  ||   --RUMBLE FISH               +
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Date:         Mon, 7 Nov 1994 22:32:41 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Rolf Kocherhans <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Write to a File

Hello

I try to write to a file which works with the following script:

set myString to current date
set myFile to new file with prompt "Save the Server Log..." default name
"Server Log"
open for access myFile with write permission
write myString of me to myFile
close access myFile


But something goes wrong the result of it in the file is:


November 1994 22:27:47

Why do I get so many funny caracters before the date ?????

And how do I write to a second line in the same file, and after another
start into the third line .....
What I actually want is,to write to the end of the file but only the date
and time not funny caracters.

Can anybody help ?!?

Rolf

                                     \|/
                                    (o o)
________________________________oOo__(_)__oOo_________________________________
    ___/\_    | Rolf Kocherhans               Internet : [e-mail]
   /    o \/| | University Inst.for Virology  Telephone: [phone]
  /        _| | Winterthurerstr. 266a         Faximile : ([phone]
 /_/\__/-\/   | 8057 Zurich SWITZERLAND
______________________________________________________________________________
   If it wasn't for Windows, we wouldn't have anything to compare Mac's to
______________________________________________________________________________
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Date:         Mon, 7 Nov 1994 13:44:55 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Doug Baron <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Re(2): MACSCRPT Digest - 22 Oct 1994 to 23 Oct 1994

>
>I would like to make this script available on gaea. Another thing I never
>worked out with Frontier is how to make an installer, that includes scripts
>from different locations in my DB. There are components of this script
>scattered around my Frontier/Runtime root in:-
>
>system.verbs.apps.Eudora                (2 additions to glue table)
>system.verbs.apps.Eudora.eventinfo      (1 addition)
>system.verbs.apps.Mozilla               (NetScape's glue table)
>system.menubars.CSOm                    (1 menu)
>
>Thanks again for your help
>
>Jeremy
>

Jeremy,

Here's a basic installer script. Just put all of the individually-exported
items into an "Install Files" subfolder, and this script will suck them all
in sequentially:

on Installer (path)
   local (sourcefolder = file.folderFromPath (path) + "Install Files:")

   local (f)
   fileloop (f in sourcefolder, infinity) <<install all the items in the folder
      case file.creator (f)
         'LAND'
            if memAvail () < 80000
               fileMenu.save ()
            if file.type (f) == '2CLK'
               Frontier.finder2click (f)
         'DOCS'
            if defined (DocServer)
               try
                  app.startWithDocument ("DocServer", f)
               else
                  dialog.alert (tryError)

   fileMenu.save ()
   dialog.notify ("Installation complete.")
   return (true)

Actually, this one isn't completely basic; it will handle DocServer files
that are in the folder as well as exported object database items.

If you don't want a separate confirmation/prompt for each imported item,
you can replace the Frontier.finder2click call with a call to a local
routine that looks like this:

on loadScriptFile (f)
   local (resdata, cellname, s)
   try
      if not rez.getNthResource (f, 'data', 1, @cellname, @resdata)
         scriptError ("Error reading \"" + file.fileFromPath (f) + "\".")

      table.surePath (cellname) <<make sure the table exists
      local (adr = address (cellname))
      bundle <<double-unpack the data
         unpack (@resdata, @resdata)
         unpack (@resdata, @resdata)
         table.moveAndRename (@resdata, adr)
   else
      dialog.notify ("Didn't install " + file.fileFromPath (f) + " [" +
tryError + ']')

Hope that helps!

Doug
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Date:         Mon, 7 Nov 1994 13:56:15 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Steve Michel <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Write to a File

>Hello
>
>I try to write to a file which works with the following script:
>
>set myString to current date
>set myFile to new file with prompt "Save the Server Log..." default name
>"Server Log"
>open for access myFile with write permission
>write myString of me to myFile
>close access myFile
>
>
>But something goes wrong the result of it in the file is:
>
>
>November 1994 22:27:47
>
>Why do I get so many funny caracters before the date ?????



Write the time as a string, as in:

write (myString of me) as string to myFile

>
>And how do I write to a second line in the same file, and after another
>start into the third line .....

Here's a bit of code that writes to the end of a file:

copy (get eof myFile) + 1 to whereToWrite
-- write the current date & time
write tab & ((current date) as string) starting at whereToWrite to myFile

(assuming of course, that the file is already open)

>What I actually want is,to write to the end of the file but only the date
>and time not funny caracters.
>
>Can anybody help ?!?
>
>Rolf
>
>                                     \|/
>                                    (o o)
>________________________________oOo__(_)__oOo_________________________________
>    ___/\_    | Rolf Kocherhans               Internet : [e-mail]
>   /    o \/| | University Inst.for Virology  Telephone: [phone]
>  /        _| | Winterthurerstr. 266a         Faximile : ([phone]
> /_/\__/-\/   | 8057 Zurich SWITZERLAND
>______________________________________________________________________________
>   If it wasn't for Windows, we wouldn't have anything to compare Mac's to
>______________________________________________________________________________
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 7 Nov 1994 16:34:29 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kyraden <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: help

Sorry bout that 'help' thing guys and gals, my nicknames file was skewed :=
=AC(

Anyway, while I have your attention:
This is a script I am working on to launch my MUD software that doesn't
auto start once opened. I have seen that it will accept the AE and startup,
but the problem is, it waits then quits, ignoring the rest of the code. Any
help would be greatly appreciated!
Here's the code,      I hope it come through ok:

        global whatsNext
        on run
                launch application "MacMud 3.2"
                 set whatsNext to "setup"
                end run

        on idle
                 if whatsNext is "setup" then
                 set whatsNext to "Done"
                        return (60 / 6)
                 else
                        tell application "MacMud 3.2"
                                "Startup MacMud"
                        end tell
                end if
        end idle

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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Jaeson M. Engle                                              (aka: Colaks
Kyraden    GodKing)
xxx "ASpectreSoViolentInItsViewsLiesImperviousAltitudeHasATendancy xxx
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx UnderPressureToRevealItsIdentity" xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[e-mail]                Elomense(MUD): josaiah.sewanee.edu 19=
99
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Date:         Mon, 7 Nov 1994 19:00:50 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Joe Campbell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Launching an app in the background

> From <@uga.cc.uga.edu:[e-mail]> Mon Nov  7
 18:37:17 1994
>
> Greg Francis <[e-mail]> writes:
>
> >I am running a script that launches StuffIt Expander. It has the potential of
> >doing the launching while AfterDark is active. The problem I'm having is that
> >launching an application while AfterDark is active is causing the application
> >to not fully launch until AfterDark goes away (I move the mouse or press a
> >key).
>
> When using After Dark, remember the Golden Rule: if it causes you trouble,
> get rid of it.

At the risk of getting too far off the track, I'll second that and add
a vote for DarkSide 4.2.  IMHO, once you try it, you'll never go back
to After Dark.  Will DarkSide solve your problem?

ftp://mac.archive.umich.edu/util/screensaver/darkside/darkside4.2.sit.hqx

Regards,
Joe
_____________________________________________________________________________
| Dr. Campbell  N3JBC  [e-mail]   [e-mail]  |
| Speaking for myself     Happiness = Reality - Expectations, Click & Clack |
|___________________ Sun Mail Tool attachments welcomed ____________________|
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 7 Nov 1994 18:33:14 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dennis Whiteman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Script Help

I highly recommend Wayne Walrath's Acme Scripting Widgets package which
includes several osax that would make you're job easier. The first is the
Tokenize osax, which returns a list based on user-specified delimiters. Thus,
you could specify the ascii character representing line feeds and tokenize
would return a list of everything else. Then, using the Join List osax, you
could convert the list into a long string with anything between the list
items, i.e., returns, spaces, etc.

Dennis L. Whiteman
THE ULTIMATE FREELANCER

 ------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, 11/7/94 6:09 PM ------
I want to be able to read in records from a text file and write them
out again...The first character of each line is often a LineFeed
(from a DOS text file) i want to test it (this works) and delete it
if it is a linefeed...but when i put "characters 2 through (length of
namefield) of namefield" into a variable it ends up with spaces
between each of the characters...

I tried to delete character 1 of the variable but apparently it
doesn't know how to do that...

Also is there a tighter way to do the loop of running through each
record than what i've done with counting characters (pointer)?

Thanks much, Andy
-----------------------------------------------

Dennis Whiteman
THE ULTIMATE FREELANCER
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 7 Nov 1994 18:41:23 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         sexonwheelz <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Writing to a text file

> >> The read/write commands that are part of AppleScript 1.1 allow you to read
> >> from and write to standard text files. In fact, I'm using one now to log my
> >> PPP connect times. Version 1.1 of this oxax crashes on PowerMacs, but 1.1.1
> >> ships as part of System 7.5.
> >>
> >OK--what are these specific commands?  I have AppleScript 1.1, but I can't
> >find the right commands--I _think_ its "copy", from looking at "Language
> >at a Glance" but i'm not sure.  Thanks.
> >
>
> There scripting additions.
>
I assumed that.  Which ones are they?  The dictionary is not intuitive.

> Perhaps you should invest in a manual!
>
I have a manual for 1.0, thank you.  It seems silly to buy another one,
when (theoretically) I could get a simple answer on this mailing list.

eric brunick

+ "you're the prettiest of them all, but tell me something....what's wrong  +
+  with you, what's wrong with everybody in this crazy place?!?!"--SP       +
+ "even the most primitive societies have an innate respect for the insane" +
+  [e-mail]  ||   --RUMBLE FISH               +
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:14:00 +1300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Hypercard Scripting Question

>The problem i'm having
> is that the script runs fine, and HyperCard is opened, but it is hidden,
> and does nothing.  When I activate HyperCard manually, using the icon
> on the far right of the Finder's menubar, HyperCard asks me "Where is
> Home?", to which i answer "X-Archive", and _then_ the folder is created.

Your copy of HyperCard is missing its "Home" stack.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Computer Services Dept                     fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 8 Nov 1994 04:10:15 +0200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         [e-mail]
Subject:      Re: Launching an app in the background

>Greg Francis <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>>I am running a script that launches StuffIt Expander. It has the potential of
>>doing the launching while AfterDark is active. The problem I'm having is that
>>launching an application while AfterDark is active is causing the application
>>to not fully launch until AfterDark goes away (I move the mouse or press a
>>key).
>
>When using After Dark, remember the Golden Rule: if it causes you trouble,
>get rid of it.


Try Basic Black, free and use 2k of ram.

------------------------------------------------
| Nicolas Jungers --> [e-mail] |
------------------------------------------------
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Date:         Mon, 7 Nov 1994 22:35:37 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kyraden <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Launching an app in the background

>> When using After Dark, remember the Golden Rule: if it causes you trouble,
>> get rid of it.
>
>At the risk of getting too far off the track, I'll second that and add
>a vote for DarkSide 4.2.  IMHO, once you try it, you'll never go back
>to After Dark.  Will DarkSide solve your problem?
>
>ftp://mac.archive.umich.edu/util/screensaver/darkside/darkside4.2.sit.hqx
>
>Regards,
>Joe
I had similar problems (crashes actually) involving AfterDark, and decided
I would try DarkSide. I installed and rebooted (after one of my famous
crashes) and *wham* straight into the dbugger. This happend 3 times before
I restarted with extensions and startup items off, pulled the DarkSide
alias out of my startup items folder and restarted, this time fine. So for
now, I just turn my monitor off when I'm away.

==============================================================
Jaeson M. Engle              (aka: Colaks    Kyraden    GodKing)
xxx "ASpectreSoViolentInItsViewsLiesImperviousAltitudeHasATendancy xxx
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx UnderPressureToRevealItsIdentity" xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[e-mail]                Elomense(MUD): josaiah.sewanee.edu 1999
==============================================================
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Date:         Mon, 7 Nov 1994 20:41:33 PST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Eric Bowman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Best way to script "Shared" finder info flag?

I wrote:
>> Could anyone tell me the best way to set a file's "Shared"
>> finder flag (like in a "Get File/Folder Info..." ResEdit
>> window) via AppleScript?  Does an OSAX exist for this?

[e-mail] responded:
> This isn't always a good idea to do. If an application
> modifies resources in its resource fork, then it's not
> a good candidate for being a shareable app. You'll be
> taking chances if you change this.

True.  I forgot to mention that this is software I've written,
which is to run off a server, which means the flag *has* to
be set if more than one user is to run the program at a time.
I'm attempting to automate the build process using AppleScript,
since I've recently switched from MPW to CodeWarrior.

Most applications don't modify themselves, or if they do, only
trivially.  That's what preference files are for.

Which returns me to my earlier question:  does such a beast
exist?  I don't mind writing one if it doesn't.

Thanks,
bobo
--
Eric Bowman
[e-mail]
Biology Department
Reed College
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 7 Nov 1994 20:56:53 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Writing to a text file

>> >> The read/write commands that are part of AppleScript 1.1 allow you to read
>> >> from and write to standard text files. In fact, I'm using one now to
>>log my
>> >> PPP connect times. Version 1.1 of this oxax crashes on PowerMacs, but
>>1.1.1
>> >> ships as part of System 7.5.
>> >>
>> >OK--what are these specific commands?  I have AppleScript 1.1, but I can't
>> >find the right commands--I _think_ its "copy", from looking at "Language
>> >at a Glance" but i'm not sure.  Thanks.
>> >
>>
>> There scripting additions.
>>
>I assumed that.  Which ones are they?  The dictionary is not intuitive.

Read/Write Commands scripting addition.

Drag the osax to script editor to inspect the aete.

They read/write arbitrary bytes to the data fork of a file

>
>> Perhaps you should invest in a manual!
>>
>I have a manual for 1.0, thank you.  It seems silly to buy another one,
>when (theoretically) I could get a simple answer on this mailing list.

But that ain't what the list is for ... if you can find the answer
elsewhere first then do that. Its called netiquette. I have noticed an
alarming drop in the signal to noice ratio recently (to the point where
people ask the same question that was asked on a few posts before).

That said I think you will learn a lot more if you invest in a few (10s :-)
of bucks in the AppleScript Language Guide. It really is THE reference!

And AS has changed )especially in osaxen from 1.0 to 1.1.

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 7 Nov 1994 22:05:19 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dennis Whiteman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Script Help

------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, 11/7/94 6:09 PM ------
I want to be able to read in records from a text file and write them
out again...The first character of each line is often a LineFeed
(from a DOS text file) i want to test it (this works) and delete it
if it is a linefeed...but when i put "characters 2 through (length of
namefield) of namefield" into a variable it ends up with spaces
between each of the characters...

I tried to delete character 1 of the variable but apparently it
doesn't know how to do that...

Also is there a tighter way to do the loop of running through each
record than what i've done with counting characters (pointer)?

Thanks much, Andy
-----------------------------------------------

I highly recommend Wayne Walrath's Acme Scripting Widgets package which
includes several osax that would make you're job easier. The first is the
Tokenize osax, which returns a list based on user-specified delimiters. Thus,
you could specify the ascii character representing line feeds and tokenize
would return a list of everything else. Then, using the Join List osax, you
could convert the list into a long string with anything between the list
items, i.e., returns, spaces, etc.

Dennis L. Whiteman
THE ULTIMATE FREELANCER

Dennis Whiteman
THE ULTIMATE FREELANCER
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 7 Nov 1994 22:37:50 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dennis Whiteman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Write to a File

On 11/7/94, Rolf Kocherhans wrote:

> Why do I get so many funny caracters before the
> date ?????
>
> And how do I write to a second line in the same
> file, and after another start into the third
> line ..... What I actually want is,to write to
> the end of the file but only the date and time
> not funny caracters.
>
> Can anybody help ?!?

Rolf,

I have a script that toggles my PPP connection open/close depending on its
current state. If it's closed, it sets a variable to the current date and
opens the connection. If it's open, it closes the connection, it sets another
variable to the current date, calculates the number of minutes on-line and
then writes a log entry to a tab-delimited text file. So long as you don't
move the file, it writes it to the file every time. When you do move the
file, it prompts you to find it or create a new one. This should give you
some hints about writing out to a text file:

** Toggle PPP Script **

property IconLogFile : "" -- This is the pointer to the log file.
property MacPPPStatus : "" -- Status of MacPPP

--o Opens or closes PPP Connection, depending on its current state.
if not (PPPopened) then
  openPPP
  set StartString to current date
else
  closePPP
  set EndString to current date
  set StartTime to time string of StartString
  set StartDate to date string of StartString
  set EndTime to time string of EndString
  set TimeCalc to round ((EndString - StartString) / minutes) rounding up
  set WriteString to StartDate & tab & StartTime & tab & EndTime & tab &
    TimeCalc & return
  tell me
    WriteIconLog(WriteString)
  end tell
end if

--o Opens the log file for access or creates a new file
on WriteIconLog(WriteString)
  try
    set Iconreffile to (open for access IconLogFile with write permission)
  on error
    display dialog #194#
    "Couldn't find the Icon PPP Log file! Would you like to create one "#194#
      & return & "or find it?" buttons {"Create", "Find", "Cancel"} #194#
      default button "Create" with icon -16396
    if button returned of result is "Find" then
      set IconLogFile to (choose file with prompt #194#
        "Find the file Icon PPP Log:" of type "TEXT")
    else
      tell me
        set IconLogFile to CreateNewLog()
      end tell
    end if
    set Iconreffile to (open for access IconLogFile with write permission)
  end try
  write WriteString to Iconreffile starting at eof -- writes to end of file
  close access Iconreffile
end WriteIconLog

on CreateNewLog()
  set IconLogFile to (new file with prompt "Save Icon Log PPP file As:" #194#
   default name "Icon Log PPP")
  return IconLogFile
end CreateNewLog

** End Of Script **

Hope this helps,

Dennis Whiteman
THE ULTIMATE FREELANCER
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 7 Nov 1994 22:45:56 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dennis Whiteman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Writing to a text file

eric,

> OK--what are these specific commands?  I have
> AppleScript 1.1, but I can't find the right
> commands--I _think_ its "copy", from looking at
> "Language at a Glance" but i'm not sure.
> Thanks.


eric,

The commands are contained in an Apple osax called Read/Write Commands
located in the Scripting Additions folder of your Extensions folder. Drag
that osax to the Script Editor and you'll get a list of the commands. These
are the basic commands:

-- This line opens the file for access with write permission

   set reffile to (open for access [filespec] with write permission)

-- This line writes a string to a file; eof is the end of the file otherwise
it replaces the whole file. There are also ways to specify beginning and
ending characters of the file being written to.

   write [string] to reffile starting at eof

-- After you've opened a file for access, you must close access

   close access reffile

Hope this helps,

Dennis Whiteman
THE ULTIMATE FREELANCER
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 7 Nov 1994 22:15:29 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Daniel Sears <[e-mail]>
Subject:      how to make an app recordable

Here's a brief summary of how to make an applicaton recordable that my
brother Chris cooked up.  It is based on the AEGizmo package.

Fast Apple Event Factoring

When writing a factored application, that is an application that sends
Apple events to itself in response to user interface actions, writing the
send routines can be as difficult as the receivers.  This needn't be the
case if you use Jens Alfke's most excellent AEGizmo's package.  You write
a printf-like string and pass it with arguments to AEBuild.  This string
can be a little obscure, so here's the tip: put an AEPrint in the Apple
event handler, write an AppleScript equivalent and fire it from the
AppleScript editor.  AEPrint will print a descriptor that with a small
amount of editing can be pasted into the factor routine and passed to
AEBuild.  Making an application recordable takes about ten minutes.
Honest!
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 7 Nov 1994 23:57:51 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Launching an app in the background

>Greg Francis <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>>I am running a script that launches StuffIt Expander. It has the potential of
>>doing the launching while AfterDark is active. The problem I'm having is that
>>launching an application while AfterDark is active is causing the application
>>to not fully launch until AfterDark goes away (I move the mouse or press a
>>key).
>
>When using After Dark, remember the Golden Rule: if it causes you trouble,
>get rid of it.

I did.

However, After Dark does create a few Gestalt selectors.  One of those
returns a function address.  By calling that function, you [ie, an osax
acting for you] can learn things about the current status of After Dark
(including sleeping/not sleeping).  It's been a while, but I think you can
also "send a wake up call".

I don't have current information (what I have is a couple of years old,
supplied by Berkeley to the UserLand forum on CompuServe for use with
Frontier).  Berkeley will probably provide the current info on request.

This is not unique to After Dark...some of the Gestalt selectors are common
across several screen savers...one of those indicates which screen saver is
running.

   --John

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[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 7 Nov 1994 23:57:58 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Eudora auto-reply

>Working on an auto-reply from Eudora & it has one bug: after completing the
>"connect with checking" and the filtering into mailbox "test" Eudora throws
>up an Alert: Sorry, couldn't start that application!" -192 {16.3373}. I hit
>OK and the script completes its drill. Tried turning off the Mail Arrived
>alerts in Eudora but no joy. Anyone tell me what's up?

That's the effect I would expect from trying to start of really Power Mac
only application on a 68K Mac.  [Well behaved Power Mac only apps have
enough 68K code in CODE resources to put up a "you can't do that on this
machine" sort of alert, and quit gracefully.]

However, I wouldn't expect that cause in your context.

   --John

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[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 7 Nov 1994 23:58:10 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Copyright (was Re: Graphic Scripting & aete library

Lawrence D'Oliveiro writes:

>Leonard Rosenthol <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>>>You would need Copyright clearance for each and every 'aete' resource in
>>>the collection, from the copyright owner.
>>
>>        Yeah, the legalities are kinda interesting on this one.  The format
>>of an 'aete', since it is public isn't copyrightable.  The standard suite
>>names, etc. can't be since they are "standard", but one could argue that
>>the "private" stuff and the combination could be.
>
>However, bear in mind what happens when you open a dictionary in the
>Script Editor, or send a "get terminology" event to an application--you get
>back a copy of the aete. Is this a violation of copyright? AppleScript
>caches the aete's, so it doesn't have to keep retrieving them every time
>you recompile a script--is this a violation of copyright?
>
>Say you print the contents of a dictionary window in the Script Editor,
>and distribute copies (either on paper, or electronically as a QuickDraw GX
>Portable Digital Document) to people. Is that a violation of copyright?
>
>As I understood it, copyright applies to the expression of information, not
>to the information itself. Given a certain set of terminology information,
>the aete syntax doesn't give you many choices in how you express that
>information.

Yes...and the 'aete' is an expression of information.  There's probably an
implied permission to use that information in the course of looking at
Dictionary windows.  [But juries do crazy things.]  But it's not at all
obvious that there is permission to take a resource out of a copyrighted
work and post it publicly.  Particularly when you have a license which the
courts may or may not uphold eventually which further restricts what you
can do.  Nor is it obvious that one could save a Dictionary window into a
file and post that.  Neither seems like it would be covered under "fair
use".

Then there's the fact that neither Fred nor Andy can (probably) afford to
defend the case should one be filed (and one might be, since failing to
defend a copyright seems to be a bad idea, although it seems less harmful
than failing to defend a trademark:  can I say "aspirin" here?  Yes...but
only because AG Bayer failed to defend it several years ago).

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 7 Nov 1994 23:58:24 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scriptable Finder questions

>I believe Finder 7.1.3 is "the Scriptable Finder."

The "Scriptable Finder" as I use the term refers to what you get with
Finder 7.1.3 or later PLUS the Finder Scripting Extension.  [Another way to
put it is that the "Scriptable Finder" is covered in the "Finder Scripting
Guide".]

The 7.0 Finder supported the old events, so it was "scriptable" (lower
case, not Apple's definition that "Scriptable" means having an 'aete'.  An
'aete' for the old Finder showed up in System 7 Pro, so that one was
"Scriptable".

But the events were no more useful than they were in 7.0.  In Frontier, it
takes some rather clever glue scripts to do the job of sending the events
(in place in Jan 1992).  Until the "Scriptable Finder" as I use the term
appeared, the Finder wasn't *usefully* scriptable:  it took FinderLib
and/or Finder Liaison and/or osaxen to help out.

As you note, the recording and modern events come with Finder Scripting
Extension.  Eventually, that will be rolled into Finder (at which point the
result from

tell application "Finder"
    version
end tell

will jump from a string containing a small number (currently 1.2) to one
containing Finder's version number...right now it returns the Extension's
version.

   --John

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[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 7 Nov 1994 23:58:35 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Writing to a text file

>>
>> >Is there an osax which will allow me to read from and write to a text file?
>> >I know I can do this with the Scriptable Text Editor, but it seems a bit
>> >clunky.
>>
>> The read/write commands that are part of AppleScript 1.1 allow you to read
>> from and write to standard text files. In fact, I'm using one now to log my
>> PPP connect times. Version 1.1 of this oxax crashes on PowerMacs, but 1.1.1
>> ships as part of System 7.5.
>>
>OK--what are these specific commands?  I have AppleScript 1.1, but I can't
>find the right commands--I _think_ its "copy", from looking at "Language
>at a Glance" but i'm not sure.  Thanks.

Look at the dictionary for the Scripting Addition (from Apple) named
Read/Write Commands.  If you are on a Power Mac and the commands fail, it
means you have the broken old Scripting Addition.  The new one is in System
7.5...it's also available (somewhere...I no longer know, since I no longer
care) on the net.  There were a couple of other broken ones (on Power Mac)
also...they're also fixed in 7.5 and available.

   --John

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[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 7 Nov 1994 23:58:40 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Write to a File

>Hello
>
>I try to write to a file which works with the following script:
>
>set myString to current date
>set myFile to new file with prompt "Save the Server Log..." default name
>"Server Log"
>open for access myFile with write permission
>write myString of me to myFile
>close access myFile
>
>
>But something goes wrong the result of it in the file is:
>
>
>November 1994 22:27:47
>
>Why do I get so many funny caracters before the date ?????

The current date command doesn't return a string.  It returns a date object
(which has a couple of different representations, of which you are seeing
the raw "object specifier" form in your file, I think).

Try starting with this, instead:

set myString to current date as string

Now, myString really will contain a string, and all is well.

You can separate lines either by using the carriage return string "\r".
You could simply say

set myString to current date as string & "\r"

However, you will find that AppleScript will uglify your script by changing
the \r into an actual return.  If you use return often, you might want to
make one in one place, and use it by name:

property cr: "\r"
...
set myString to current date as string & cr

   --John

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[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 8 Nov 1994 00:43:02 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Preston Holmes <[e-mail]>
Subject:      PGP Scripts 1.0 (Eudora & PGP)

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

I've just dropped into "incoming" on gaea a set of scripts that work with
Eudora 2.1 and MacPGP 2.6ui (Scriptable!).  These scripts will
encrypt/decrypt/sign Eudora messages.

I'm not a real PGP buff, in fact I don't even use it (though may some day
want to use it).  But when I saw that PGP 2.6ui was scriptable I thought it
would be a great project to write some useful scripts for Eudora users, as
well as write some scripts for people who are trying to figure out how to
script Eudora (I myself am still not clear on using notify).  Any way there
are a few tricks I use in scripting Eudora which are mentioned in the docs.
The scripts are fully functional though there are still some places where
errors can throw them off.  If I have some time I will write more on error
handlers - so I'll take any bugs reports that people offer.

In my (limited) archie searches I found no US machines that keep PGP.  Is
this some sort of censorship?  If not, I would be happy to make an archive
of MacPGP 2.6ui (scriptable but no docs) and 2.3 (not scriptable but with
docs) and drop it off in gaea for the scriptable apps folder.  [Let me know
Fred if there is a restriction on this.]

Since I like to write portable scripts useful for the nonscripter, these
scripts use no non-system osaxen, they only requires the apps and
scriptable finder.  I also have tried to make them readable and well
commented for the newbie scripter.

I'm open to any comments or feedback on these scripts.  I'm also almost
done with the next version of my Duo & Duo Dock companion script "Docker"
if any Duo owners want to give it a try for me, let me know

PS note this message was signed by one of the PGP scripts ;-)

-Preston

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: 2.6ui

iQBVAgUBLr8lKGJ6oWuwTm11AQEDOwH9HVIAzOo9bAec+DrcEjsm2Fs0BaisExE/
J24Mo1BG8TAb/i4ru8l2XxmFlfkP/yRRZXyuyZokW+pzax0+qQQQzw==
=Xr9H
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

--
Preston Holmes                       Neurobiology Unit
Dept. of Neuroscience, UCSD          Scripps Institution of Oceanography
[e-mail]                     NeuroWeb: "http://salk.edu/NeuroWeb/"
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 8 Nov 1994 01:00:17 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: PGP Scripts 1.0 (Eudora & PGP)

At 00:43 11/8/94, Preston Holmes wrote:
>In my (limited) archie searches I found no US machines that keep PGP.  Is
>this some sort of censorship?  If not, I would be happy to make an archive
>of MacPGP 2.6ui (scriptable but no docs) and 2.3 (not scriptable but with
>docs) and drop it off in gaea for the scriptable apps folder.  [Let me know
>Fred if there is a restriction on this.]

Please, don't even think about it.  PGP is hard to find for the simple
reason that it is subject to export restrictions as a result of containing
encryption software.  The author would really like to stay out of jail
(spending Federal prison time was an active possibility for him last I
knew--something like 5 to 15).  He specifically requests that the
international version NOT be posted in the US.

In addition to the Federal problems, there are licensing issues...for
non-commercial use a suitable license is (seems to be) in place...for any
sort of commerical use, it is necessary to purchase the commercial version.

PGP is available in the US, via the machines at MIT.  The process of
getting it involves directories which do not appear in Archie searches
(because they don't last long enough).

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:18:36 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         WalrathW <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Script Help

> ------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, 11/7/94 6:09 PM ------
> I want to be able to read in records from a text file and write them
> out again...The first character of each line is often a LineFeed
> (from a DOS text file) i want to test it (this works) and delete it
> if it is a linefeed...but when i put "characters 2 through (length of
> namefield) of namefield" into a variable it ends up with spaces
> between each of the characters...

I think if you write something like:
   text 2 through (length of nameField) of nameField
you'll get what you want.

> I tried to delete character 1 of the variable but apparently it
> doesn't know how to do that...
>
> Also is there a tighter way to do the loop of running through each
> record than what i've done with counting characters (pointer)?
<sniporama>
> I highly recommend Wayne Walrath's Acme Scripting Widgets package which
> includes several osax that would make you're job easier. The first is
> the

Dennis is right <grin> Wayne's widgets would not only decrease the running
time of your script, but also make your script a little cleaner. If you can't
get them to do what you need, send me a sample of the text and I'll see if I
can throw a script together for you.

-wayne
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 8 Nov 1994 05:59:02 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kiran Wagle <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Best way to script "Shared" finder info flag?

On 11/07/94, WalrathW opined:

> This isn't always a good idea to do. If an application modifies resources in
> its resource fork, then it's not a good candidate for being a shareable app.

I was under the impression that apps that conform to Apple's guidelines
(read: not written by Microsoft) are not supposed to write to their own
resource forks?

~ Kiran

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1628 5th St NW Washington DC 20001 [phone]/3157 <[e-mail]>
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 8 Nov 1994 05:59:16 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kiran Wagle <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Copyright (was Re: Graphic Scripting & aete library

Perhaps if developers got email and/or phone calls saying "I'm thinking of
buying your app but I need something scriptable; could you send me a copy
of the 'aete', please?" they would realise that such information is useful,
and release it to archive sites.

It WOULD be nice to be able to look at dictionaries before buying an app.

~ Kiran

--
1628 5th St NW Washington DC 20001 [phone]/3157 <[e-mail]>
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 8 Nov 1994 12:03:48 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         WalrathW <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Best way to script "Shared" finder info flag?

> > This isn't always a good idea to do. If an application modifies
> resources in
> > its resource fork, then it's not a good candidate for being a
> shareable app.
>
> I was under the impression that apps that conform to Apple's guidelines
> (read: not written by Microsoft) are not supposed to write to their own
> resource forks?

I didn't intend to suggest it was a good idea (even if you are a big company
in Seattle), it should never be done for any application you plan to
distribute or sell (my opinion is that anything you write and only plan to
use yourself can be as skanky as you can tolerate, not that I ever do this ;)
 ). The reasons being 1) the one we've discussed, namely that it screws up
the app's shareability, and 2) you could be running on a locked volume. There
may be others I'm forgetting or don't know, but this is not the best place to
discuss it.

-wayne
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 8 Nov 1994 08:32:24 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Copyright (was Re: Graphic Scripting & aete library
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Tue, 08 Nov 94 05:59:16 EST"

Kiran (and everyone else),

>Perhaps if developers got email and/or phone calls saying "I'm thinking of
>buying your app but I need something scriptable; could you send me a copy
>of the 'aete', please?" they would realise that such information is useful,
>and release it to archive sites.
>
>It WOULD be nice to be able to look at dictionaries before buying an app.

I've started requesting aetes from developers. I've already created it, and
Leonard Rosenthol has contributed the aetes from Stuffit Deluxe/Lite 3.5
(which is due out RSN). I'll putting more in there in the coming weeks, I'm
sure.

Cheers.

pf
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 8 Nov 1994 08:36:41 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Writing to a text file
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Mon, 07 Nov 94 20:56:53 PST"

Hi folks,

Kevin Purcell said....

>But that ain't what the list is for ... if you can find the answer
>elsewhere first then do that. Its called netiquette. I have noticed an
>alarming drop in the signal to noice ratio recently (to the point where
>people ask the same question that was asked on a few posts before).
>
>That said I think you will learn a lot more if you invest in a few (10s :-)
>of bucks in the AppleScript Language Guide. It really is THE reference!

I might also suggest that new subscribers grab the digests from gaea.

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/docs/digests/

Search those for the topics you are interested. There is a huge amount of
collective wisdom in those digests. The on idle question that circulated a
couple of weeks ago was covered several months ago. So don't pass them up.

pf
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 8 Nov 1994 09:43:19 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Al Best <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Sys 7.5 Launcher, Windowshade

How do I?:

I want the Launcher to go away:

Tell Application "Finder"
 Close Window "Launcher"
End Tell


I want WindowShade to do it's thing on a certain window.

Tell Application "WindowShade"
  Shrink Window "XXX"
End Tell

THANX!
------------
Al Best, Dept of Biostatistics
Virginia Commonwealth University, Richmond VA 23298
804-828-9824
Internet: [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:30:16 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Elliotte Rusty Harold <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Recordable Applications

> >Can anyone tell me how to find out what apps are recordable, not merely
> >scriptable? The only recordable apps I know of now are:
>
> Excel 5.0
> Word 6.0 (but it spits out DoScripts with Basic commands)
> Stuffit Deluxe/Lite
> InTouch 3.0
> Cirrus 2.0
> InfoDepot 2.0
> JPEG View 3.0 (freeware!)
> Snippets/Decoder Ring (which I have but never tried recording -- poor UI)
> JMP 3.0
> PowerAgent
> Userland Frontier 2.1 (or later)
> WordPerfect 3.0 (so buggy as to be unusable -- 3.1 fixes a lot)

Is WP 3.1 really recordable?  I tried to record it a few days ago and got
absolutely nothing except the activate event.

Elliotte Rusty Harold
[e-mail]
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Date:         Tue, 8 Nov 1994 09:44:11 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Tom Pollard's GNU diff script

G'morning again,

Tom Pollard has contributed a GNU diff droplet script that I have moved into

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/scripts/GNU_diff.sit.hqx

The script requires AppleScript 1.1, QuicKeys 3.0, and Mark Alldritt's Regular
Expressions and Choose Files & Folders extensions (from the Script Tools
collection). Tom's droplet is a user-friendly wrapper for the GNU diff
file-comparison utility. Be sure to read the Read Me file.

Cheers.

pf
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:11:27 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Diana Oswald <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Filemaker Pro & Applescript

I'm running a script in conjunction with a MacHTTP server that allows WWW users
to search a filemaker pro data base.  It works great except if they try and
search for something that's not in the data base, then they get a cgi
application error, and the script stays on (I like my scripts to quit after
they're through - otherwise I get too many things going at once).  I'd like to
return a meaningful statement when their search comes up with nothing.  The most
promising suggestion I've gotten is displayed below - still gets a cgi
application error.  I'm sure it doesn't like the if answer = "", but this works
for checking to see if http_search_args are empty, so why won't it work for
this?  And if that's not the way to do it, then how?  Any suggestions?

-----------------------------------------------
tell application "FileMaker Pro"
                Open alias "Policy Dev 1:Desktop Folder:MacHTTP:fm_form"
                Show (every Record of Window "fm_form" whose Cell 7 = your_name)
                copy Field 8 of Window "fm_form" to answer
                Quit Application "FileMaker Pro"
        end tell
        if answer = "" then
                quit
                return http_10_header & "<H1>Sorry</H1> That name is not in my l
ist."
        else
                quit
                return http_10_header & "<H1>Here is your list!</H1><hr> " & ans
wer
        end if
------------------------------------------------

Thanks for your time and consideration.

Sincerely,
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:19:39 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kim-son Tran <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Stack overflow error

I have a script that occasionally spits out a "Stack Overflow" error message.
The script uses Anarchie to get the contents of a directory out on the net and
displays it in a window.  Then it selects the window's contents and stuffs the
URL listing into a variable.

Is this the problem? Is the variable be reaching a limit on the size it can
use?. (I generally have 4+ Meg of RAM available when this runs and the allocated
memory for the applet is about 750K).

So I guess my question is, under what circumstances does this error occur? Has
anyone experienced this type of error message? How does one get rid of it?

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Date:         Tue, 8 Nov 1994 09:02:23 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Greg Francis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Launching an app in the background

> > From <@uga.cc.uga.edu:[e-mail]> Mon
> > Nov  7
>  18:37:17 1994
> >
> > Greg Francis <[e-mail]> writes:
> >
> > >I am running a script that launches StuffIt Expander. It has
> > >the potential of doing the launching while AfterDark is active.
> > >The problem I'm having is that launching an application while
> > >AfterDark is active is causing the application to not fully
> > >launch until AfterDark goes away (I move the mouse or press a key).
> >
> > When using After Dark, remember the Golden Rule: if it causes
> > you trouble, get rid of it.
>
> At the risk of getting too far off the track, I'll second that and add
> a vote for DarkSide 4.2.  IMHO, once you try it, you'll never go back
> to After Dark.  Will DarkSide solve your problem?
>
> ftp://mac.archive.umich.edu/util/screensaver/darkside/darkside4.2.
> sit.hqx
>
> Regards,
> Joe

I have been using Darkside (4.1) with good results. It seems to be working
fine with cron and AppleScript. Unfortunately, there is a push to use After
Dark because we just updated our license from 2.0 to 3.0 just for the purpose
of putting it on our PowerMacs (300 of them). My personal thought is greater
compatibility overrides any money that we have spent in the past.

Maybe we could get a refund from Berkeley for this wonderfully incompatible
product they have released.

I do believe that After Dark 3.0 now qualifies to be a Microsoft product; it
is big, slow and incompatible with other applications.

Has anyone else had a problem with Darkside besides Jaeson M. Engle's crashing
problem on startup? What system and computer are you running Jaeson? We're
using PowerMac 6100/60's s/16 MB running 7.5.

Greg Francis
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Date:         Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:06:44 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Steve Alex <[e-mail]>
Subject:      PowerTalk again

Ok Apple, what have you done to me with system 7.5. I don't want to start
another PowerTalk argument, but what little I could do with scripting and
PowerTalk seems to have been destroyed by System 7.5.

I had set up a mail print server that just printed new mail messages that
came into a Visitor's mailbox to an attached printer (these are work order
forms in case you are curious why I would do that). The code was quit
simple, the core being telling the finder to print an item out of the mail
box and then telling KeyQuencer to hit the enter key. The below code,
without bells and whistle, would print out the first message in the mailbox

  tell application "finder"
    print item 1 of item 1 of item  "Technical Services"  --mail box
    tell application "KQ Apple Events"
      DoScript "waitwindow dialog open
        key enter"
    end tell
  end tell

Under 7.5 I now get a error message that item 1 of .. doesn't understand
the print message. I can't open it, copy it, move it, or do anything except
confirm its existence. I could not do any of that before, but I could at
least print it.

Again, thanks a lot Apple. When are you going to get off you butts and
provide some scripting support for PowerTalk (I know you'r out there)?


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Date:         Tue, 8 Nov 1994 09:23:24 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Write to a File

>You can separate lines either by using the carriage return string "\r".
>You could simply say
>
>set myString to current date as string & "\r"
>
>However, you will find that AppleScript will uglify your script by changing
>the \r into an actual return.  If you use return often, you might want to
>make one in one place, and use it by name:
>
>property cr: "\r"
>...
>set myString to current date as string & cr


You don't even need to do this -- space, tab and return are defined a
symbolic string constants so

set myString to current date as string & return

works fine and is more readable to boot.

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 8 Nov 1994 09:25:09 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Nelson Byrne <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Dictionary

In response to:

> >I assumed that. Which ones are they? The dictionary is not
> > intuitive.

 Kevin Purcell writes:

KP> Read/Write Commands scripting addition.
KP>
KP> Drag the osax to script editor to inspect the aete.

But that's not always a good idea. So far as I can tell, the stuff in
the dictionary is no more trustworthy than the comments in a Fortran
code. There doesn't seem to by anything that checks for consistency
between what the dictionary says and what the thingy actually does.

In the case of read/write, above, the dictionary is just wrong. It says:

RW> read: Read from file.
RW>     read anything -- reference number or file to read
RW>             using delimiters list -- Delimiters to use. May use 1 or 2
RW> delimiters.
RW>             using delimiter anything -- Delimiters to use. May use 1 or 2
RW> delimiters.
RW>             [as anything] -- read this data in this form
RW>             [for integer] -- read for this number of bytes
RW>             [before string] -- Read to this delimiter excluding it. A
RW> delimiter is a single character.
RW>             [until string] -- Read to this delimiter including it. A
RW> delimiter is a single character.
RW>             [to integer] -- read from current mark to this byte
RW>             [from integer] -- read from this byte
RW>     Result: anything -- data returned or error

which implies that "using delimiters list" and "using delimiter
anything" are both *required* when invoking read. In fact, according to
the publication "Scripting Additions Guide, Apple ID 030-5098-A, the
form is:

SAG> read referenceToFile

with everything else optional. referenceToFile, by the way, can't be
just any old thing as the dictionary implies, it must be a reference of
the form "file..." or "alias..." or a file reference number.

In fact, "using" isn't even an option except as a subunit of an "as"
clause, and the trailing "s" on delimiters is purely optional.

Doggone - you just don't know whom to trust these days.

In this case I think the dictionary is wrong and the manual is right. In
the general case, it's best to consult the listing of the OSAX, which
may be hard to come by.

Have fun,
>>>>>[e-mail]
     Nelson Byrne
     SAIC  LOC#001/MS#C2
     10260 Camp Uspoint Drive
     Sandy Eggo, CA 92121
>>>>>[phone]
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Date:         Tue, 8 Nov 1994 09:26:06 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Steve Michel <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Write to a File

John Baxter wrote:

>set myString to current date as string & "\r"
>
>However, you will find that AppleScript will uglify your script by changing
>the \r into an actual return.  If you use return often, you might want to
>make one in one place, and use it by name:
>
>property cr: "\r"
>...
>set myString to current date as string & cr
>

You don't need to define the property. AppleScript has a return constant, so,

set myString to current date as string & return

works.

Steve
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Date:         Tue, 8 Nov 1994 09:45:49 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: PGP Scripts 1.0 (Eudora & PGP)

>In my (limited) archie searches I found no US machines that keep PGP.  Is
>this some sort of censorship?  If not, I would be happy to make an archive
>of MacPGP 2.6ui (scriptable but no docs) and 2.3 (not scriptable but with
>docs) and drop it off in gaea for the scriptable apps folder.  [Let me know
>Fred if there is a restriction on this.]

You can get it freely from MIT but you need to send them a request stating
that you won't export it and are an American citizen or resident (those
pesky "encryption as munitions" export control rules and probably rules
property rights to RSAs public keys schemes). Of course data knows no
border and there are copies of all versions of PGP outside the US.

I think if you read you license you will find you're not allowed to
redistribute it.

There is also supposed to be an international version which avoids these
problems (probably by being written outside of the US).

For those interested by a copy of "Applied Cryptography", an excellent book
with plenty of source code. Due to the First Ammendement the book can be
published an exported but the sample code disk (even though it is identical
to the code in the book) can be exported! I beleive that MIT are going to
publish a book on the internals of PGP for a similar reason.


Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 8 Nov 1994 07:33:50 -1000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Pete Hinely <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Announcement:  TEXT processing utility

Greetings,
  I have created an AppleScript to somewhat intelligently remove line
returns from text files.  Its behaviour is simple, but generally
effective at cleaning up text files.

HERE IS THE HOW SCRIPT BEHAVES:
If the preceding line is longer than the threshold hold length, then the
line return between the current line and the preceding line is removed.

  There is no documentation as of yet so here is the documentation!
The droplet supports drag-n-drop of files/folders.
It only processes files of type TEXT
It does not modify the original file, it creates a separate output file
with a paragraph-mark suffix on the end of its name.
To set the threshold, double click to open the droplet, then click the
CANCEL button.  You can then set the threshold character length.


I AM NO LONGER ON THE LIST, SO EMAIL ME DIRECTLY IF YOU ARE INTERESTED.

aloha kaua,
-peter
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Date:         Tue, 8 Nov 1994 12:10:38 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Announcement: TEXT processing utility
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Tue, 08 Nov 94 07:33:50 -1000"

Peter,

>I AM NO LONGER ON THE LIST, SO EMAIL ME DIRECTLY IF YOU ARE INTERESTED.

Please send me a copy of the script. Would you mind my putting it on gaea?

Thanks.

pf
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Date:         Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:12:50 LCL
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Tim Keanini <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re[2]: PGP Scripts 1.0 (Eudora & PGP)

>Subject: Re: PGP Scripts 1.0 (Eudora & PGP)

>Preston Holmes wrote:
>In my (limited) archie searches I found no US machines that keep PGP.  Is
>this some sort of censorship?  If not, I would be happy to make an archive
>of MacPGP 2.6ui (scriptable but no docs) and 2.3 (not scriptable but with
>docs) and drop it off in gaea for the scriptable apps folder.  [Let me know
>Fred if there is a restriction on this.]

This issue of encryption is a large can of worms and anyone really interested in
it should get trusted information from the EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation)
and the cypherpunks mailing list.  Enough said.

MIT has pgp available by way of net-dist.mit.edu
You anon ftp there, and in the PGP directory there is a README that will explain
how to get it.  You have to telnet back in and answer a few questions to agree
to a policy.  You are then given a directory name to grab the distribution from.

Please mail me if you have questions on pgp at:

[e-mail]

The first time I saw PGP for the Mac I felt that is really needed some help on
the UI side of things.  PGP for UNIX is realy nice because you can pipe things
through it.  Things that require encryption can just be piped on through and
BOOM, privacy galore.  The MacPGP is odd because if you dont write applescipt,
frontier scripts, or quickeys sequences for it, it is really inconvienient to
use.  Just my $000,000,000.02.

--blast
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Date:         Wed, 9 Nov 1994 09:10:00 +1300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Copyright (was Re: Graphic Scripting & aete library

"John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]> writes:

>Lawrence D'Oliveiro writes:
>>
>>As I understood it, copyright applies to the expression of information, not
>>to the information itself. Given a certain set of terminology information,
>>the aete syntax doesn't give you many choices in how you express that
>>information.
>
>Yes...and the 'aete' is an expression of information.

Yes, but as I undertand it, it is only copyrightable if it's a sufficiently
unique expression of that information. There is very little creativity or
free choice involved in encoding terminology information in an aete.

Now, if you were to express the terminology as a poem, or as a stage display,
or as an entry in the Obfuscated C contest, you should be able to copyright
that...

>Then there's the fact that neither Fred nor Andy can (probably) afford to
>defend the case should one be filed...

That's what it comes down to in the end, doesn't it? The threat of legal
action can be just as effective as the legal action itself. And the threat
isn't subject to rulings by the courts...

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Computer Services Dept                     fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:50:27 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kim-son Tran <[e-mail]>
Subject:      File Marker

Using Apple's Read/Write commands, how do you determine the current file marker
position during a read or write?  Is there a more elegant way than using a
variable within the script for calculating offsets or something similiar
algorithm?  (I'd like to use the current file marker position to update the
scriptable progress bar).

Also, how would I optimize reading a chunk of one text file and writing that
same chunk to another file for speedier performance?  Would reading the file as
binary be truly faster or does Applescript crawl when doing this type of
processing? Does anyone have sample scripts they've written using binary read/
write?

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Date:         Tue, 8 Nov 1994 21:17:23 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Bill Bedford <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Recordable Applications

>>Can anyone tell me how to find out what apps are recordable, not merely
>>scriptable? The only recordable apps I know of now are:
>
>Excel 5.0
>Word 6.0 (but it spits out DoScripts with Basic commands)
>Stuffit Deluxe/Lite
>InTouch 3.0
>Cirrus 2.0
>InfoDepot 2.0
>JPEG View 3.0 (freeware!)
>Snippets/Decoder Ring (which I have but never tried recording -- poor UI)
>JMP 3.0
>PowerAgent
>Userland Frontier 2.1 (or later)
>WordPerfect 3.0 (so buggy as to be unusable -- 3.1 fixes a lot)
>
>With the AppleScript Scripters kit they provided a guide to Scriptable
>Applications (most of these are in there).
>

Plus three new(ish) ones

Anarchie 1.40
Finger 1.50
Netscape 0.9b

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bill Bedford                                   Designer of Photo-Etches
[e-mail]
[phone]

         Living on a island gives the world a different perspective
------------------------------------------------------------------------
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 8 Nov 1994 22:26:14 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         WalrathW <[e-mail]>
Subject:      creating "date" Descriptor

I need some hints on the easiest way to create an AEDesc of type date.

I found the class definition in the 'aeut' resource of the English dialect,
so I presume I could build one by adding the individual properties into a
record descriptor of type 'ldt ', but this seems like too much work. I have a
feeling I must be able to get by easier than that.

I sent myself an AE with a date object in it and checked out the size of the
descriptor data: 8 bytes. Is this the seconds since the dawn of mac time with
four bytes to spare?

Ideally I would like to be able to call GetDateTime(), then pass this value
to the AE Manager and have it get coerced properly. Possible?

On a related note, how can I find out what AE Handlers, coercion and all, are
installed in the system (or an application)? I tried using the Apple fkey for
this purpose but it hung my Quad800 just as the dialog box came up. I didn't
try twice.

-wayne
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Date:         Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:56:53 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Best way to script "Shared" finder info flag?

>On 11/07/94, WalrathW opined:
>
>> This isn't always a good idea to do. If an application modifies resources in
>> its resource fork, then it's not a good candidate for being a shareable app.
>
>I was under the impression that apps that conform to Apple's guidelines
>(read: not written by Microsoft) are not supposed to write to their own
>resource forks?
>

The flag in question isn't in the resource fork of the file...it is
maintained in the file system, in the "Finder Information".  When set, it
informs Finder that multiple launches (normally on different machines) are
OK.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
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Date:         Wed, 9 Nov 1994 00:09:22 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         WalrathW <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Filemaker Pro & Applescript

> return a meaningful statement when their search comes up with nothing.  The
most
> promising suggestion I've gotten is displayed below - still gets a cgi
> application error.  I'm sure it doesn't like the if answer = "", but this
works
> for checking to see if http_search_args are empty, so why won't it work for
> this?  And if that's not the way to do it, then how?  Any suggestions?

If you are getting some sort of error back from FMP, you should have your
statements wrapped in a try/on error/end block. Then if the error catcher
fires, you can just return that message back to the user, or alternately
return one of your own choosing. I seem to recall that FMP could be a little
finicky at times when it was being scripted.

try
  tell app "FileMaker Pro"
   --blah, blah
  end tell
on error errMsg number errNum
  -- errMsg contains the text describing the error and errNum the error
number
  return http_10_header & errNum & "  " & errMsg

  -- or, if you prefer, send back your own message.
  --return http_10_header & "Sorry, all out of cheeseburgers and pepsi
today."
end try

It's not too that hard to see what's going on within your scripts while they
are running. Just write a little handler which sends its argument to a
Scriptable Text Editor window, and like magic, you've got real-time debug
information coming up in front of you. Sprinkle these debug statements all
through your script to see the value of variables, results, etc. It's safe
and fun for the whole family!


-wayne
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Date:         Tue, 8 Nov 1994 18:12:47 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kyraden <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Launching an app in the background

>I do believe that After Dark 3.0 now qualifies to be a Microsoft product; it
>is big, slow and incompatible with other applications.
>
>Has anyone else had a problem with Darkside besides Jaeson M. Engle's crashing
>problem on startup? What system and computer are you running Jaeson? We're
>using PowerMac 6100/60's s/16 MB running 7.5.
>
>Greg Francis
I'm running a Quadra 660av, sys 7.1, 8 physical RAM (RAMTripled to 24). I
have 4 programs that run all the time (MacHTTP, MailShare, MacMud (esp.
crash prone btw), and Finder Liaison 1.1, in lieu of the SF). On top of
these, this is my normal workstation so, many others tend to be running at
various times.

And I agree, AD 3.0 is looking very M*croS*ft-ish. Yuck!

| Jaeson M. Engle    ||    [e-mail]  |
         www server: http://josaiah.sewanee.edu/
        Elomense(MUD): josaiah.sewanee.edu 1999
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Date:         Tue, 8 Nov 1994 21:03:04 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Brad Ackerman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: PGP Scripts 1.0 (Eudora & PGP)

>You can get it freely from MIT but you need to send them a request stating
>that you won't export it and are an American citizen or resident (those
>pesky "encryption as munitions" export control rules and probably rules
>property rights to RSAs public keys schemes). Of course data knows no
>border and there are copies of all versions of PGP outside the US.

In other words, you lie through your teeth.  [Unfortunately, being a US
resident isn't a lie for me, but other parts may be.]

>I think if you read you license you will find you're not allowed to
>redistribute it.

Correct.  Of course, this is invalid outside of the United States.



 ===============================================================================
Brad Ackerman N1MNB                                           [e-mail]
Micro$oft-free since 1978            Finger this acct for key -->  [e-mail]
PGP:   C3 0D 6F 6B A6 7F 22 6C   93 A3 FE 00 D6 70 9E 99     (by mail or finger)
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Date:         Tue, 8 Nov 1994 19:40:07 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Robert W. Harder" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: PGP Scripts 1.0 (Eudora & PGP)

Let's leave the problem of getting MacPGP to the individual and go ahead
and post the scripts that have been written.

BTW, I have System 7.5 and got an RSA key with it (went through the notary
and all that). Can that key be used with PGP? It is certainly verified, and
that should be worth more than other people's signature on the public key.


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Date:         Tue, 8 Nov 1994 22:50:39 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Andy Cemelli (remote)" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Recordable Applications -Reply

3.1 is not currently recordable to applescript.  It is, however,
recordable to its own macro language and which is capable of
interfacing with AppleScript (AS can call macros and Macros can run
scripts...)

Andrew Cemelli
Systems Engineer, Novell
([e-mail])
---------------------------------------------------
The fact that I'm opinionated is not my employer's fault.
---------------------------------------------------
.

>>> Elliotte Rusty Harold <[e-mail]> - 11/8/94 7:30 AM
>>>
> >Can anyone tell me how to find out what apps are recordable, not
merely
> >scriptable? The only recordable apps I know of now are:
<...deleted...>
> WordPerfect 3.0 (so buggy as to be unusable -- 3.1 fixes a lot)

Is WP 3.1 really recordable?  I tried to record it a few days ago and
got absolutely nothing except the activate event.

Elliotte Rusty Harold [e-mail]
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Date:         Tue, 8 Nov 1994 20:23:02 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Carlin E. Wiegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: PGP Scripts 1.0 (Eudora & PGP)

>BTW, I have System 7.5 and got an RSA key with it (went through the notary
>and all that). Can that key be used with PGP? It is certainly verified, and
>that should be worth more than other people's signature on the public key.

Hey, how did getting the RSA key go. It looked like a pain in the butt. Oh
well, can you pass on any information you get....
CW

Carlin Edward Wiegner               e-mail: [e-mail]
P.O. Box 9998                       www:  http://quark.stanford.edu
Stanford, CA 94309
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Date:         Tue, 8 Nov 1994 20:51:12 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Write to a File

>>You can separate lines either by using the carriage return string "\r".
>>You could simply say
>>
>>set myString to current date as string & "\r"
>>
>>However, you will find that AppleScript will uglify your script by changing
>>the \r into an actual return.  If you use return often, you might want to
>>make one in one place, and use it by name:
>>
>>property cr: "\r"
>>...
>>set myString to current date as string & cr
>
>
>You don't even need to do this -- space, tab and return are defined a
>symbolic string constants so
>
>set myString to current date as string & return
>
>works fine and is more readable to boot.

I thought return might be so defined.  I'd rather not use it myself (but
should have mentioned it) simply because the poor old word "return" has two
meanings, totally different.  AppleScript may not have any trouble with
that, but I do.

And yes,
   return return
is a legal AppleScript statement, and manages to do what one would expect.
And the formatting does help (if you set it up right), since the first
return is formatted as a language keyword, and the second as an application
keyword.

Once again, I'm glad I didn't write that parser!  --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 8 Nov 1994 21:32:11 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: creating "date" Descriptor

>I need some hints on the easiest way to create an AEDesc of type date.
>
>I found the class definition in the 'aeut' resource of the English dialect,
>so I presume I could build one by adding the individual properties into a
>record descriptor of type 'ldt ', but this seems like too much work. I have=
 a
>feeling I must be able to get by easier than that.

Despite what the 'aeut' implies, an 'ldt ' descriptor is actually an 8 byte
binary number, in the long date time format...signed seconds since (or
before) the start of January 1, 1904 [necessarily ignoring leap seconds].

>
>Ideally I would like to be able to call GetDateTime(), then pass this value
>to the AE Manager and have it get coerced properly. Possible?

Use GetDateTime () to get the low word of the LongDateTime type, and put a
zero into the top (works through February 6 of 2040 at 6:28:15).  IM: OS
Utilities types LongDateTime as a comp (the 64-bit SANE integer type).  But
the newer Universal headers type it as
    typedef wide LongDateTime;

where type wide is
    struct wide {
        SInt32           hi;
        UInt32           lo;
    };
typedef struct wide wide, *WidePtr;

and SInt32 and UInt32 are what you think they are.

So, for example:
   LongDateTime d =3D {0, 0};

   GetDateTime (&d.lo);

You can also probably create record like this (using Frontier notation):

   {'want': 'ldt ', 'from': nil, 'form': 'name', 'seld': "a string
representing the date and time"}

then coerce that to a record, and coerce that to an 'ldt '.

I haven't tried the above in C.  In Frontier, I coerce between 'ldt ' and
=46rontier 'date' (the 4 byte seconds since start-of-time, as an unsigned
value) with these scripts:

on fromLongDate (aLongDate)
    if typeOf (aLongDate) =3D=3D binaryType and getBinaryType (aLongDate) =
=3D=3D 'ldt '
        if number (binary (string.mid (aLongDate, 1, 4))) !=3D 0
            scriptError (displayString (aLongDate) + " is out of range for
conversion to a date.")
        return (date (binary (string.mid (aLongDate, 5, 4))))
    else  =AB It's not a long date...try just coercing it to date
        return (date (aLongDate))

and

on toLongDate (aDate)
    local (longDateType =3D 'ldt ', result)
    if typeOf (aDate) =3D=3D binaryType and getBinaryType (aDate) =3D=3D lon=
gDateType
        return (aDate) =AB It=B9s already a long date
    aDate =3D date (aDate)
    result =3D binary (string (binary (0)) + string (binary (aDate)))
    setBinaryType (@result, longDateType)
    return (result)

>
>On a related note, how can I find out what AE Handlers, coercion and all, a=
re
>installed in the system (or an application)? I tried using the Apple fkey f=
or
>this purpose but it hung my Quad800 just as the dialog box came up. I didn'=
t
>try twice.
>

I've had that hang (both IIci under 7.1 and 8100 under 7.1.2), but only
when Finder is the frontmost application, and not with my current System
installation (7.5 on either machine).  It's been discussed here, with no
definitive statement as to what conditions are necessary to the failure.
Other users of the FKEY have never seen it.  I currently avoid using it
with Finder in front if I have many apps open or any unsaved work, just in
case.

   --John the longwinded

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 8 Nov 1994 23:40:55 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Robert W. Harder" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: PGP Scripts 1.0 (Eudora & PGP)

>>BTW, I have System 7.5 and got an RSA key with it (went through the notary
>>and all that). Can that key be used with PGP? It is certainly verified, and
>>that should be worth more than other people's signature on the public key.
>
>Hey, how did getting the RSA key go. It looked like a pain in the butt. Oh
>well, can you pass on any information you get....
>CW

That wasn't so bad once I got past the crashing PowerTalk. You need three
forms of ID, one or two of which must be photo ID. A credit card will
suffice for the third. You print out a form from the digisign app which has
"garbage" that means something to RSA. They send you back a disk with a
signer file onto which you drop files (with PowerTalk turned on). You don't
have to send a disk in, though you may want to send in the printed form
electronically as well. Both disks come back. Until encryption/signing is
more integrated to the system (even with the unstable PT it's not great--I
don't have PT on now), I probably just won't use it. Too bad, it's like
sending a letter in an envelope not a postcard--nothing major, but good to
have.

Am I straying from scripting? Better to keep this on CypherPunks unless we
are scripting the stuff...


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=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 9 Nov 1994 10:38:00 N
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Dr. Levy'S Lab, Gilat" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Writing to a text file

Re: Writing to a text file
Dennis Whiteman says:

>The commands are contained in an Apple osax called Read/Write Commands
>located in the Scripting Additions folder of your Extensions folder. Drag
>that osax to the Script Editor and you'll get a list of the commands. These
>are the basic commands:
..

How do you DRAG that osax to the Script Editor? What exactly do you do?

YL
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 9 Nov 1994 08:06:10 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dennis Whiteman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re(2): Writing to a text file

 ------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, Wed, Nov 9, 1994 ------
> How do you DRAG that osax to the Script Editor?
> What exactly do you do?

Perhaps you should open it from within the Script Editor application.

1) Double-click on the Script Editor application to open it.
2) After it's opened (i.e., the menus have changed), Choose
   "Open Dictionary" from the File Menu. An open dialog should appear.
3) Unless you're using AppleScript 1.0, a button will be at the bottom
   of the dialog saying "Go To Scripting Additions Folder" or some such.
   Click on it.
4) Scroll down to the Read/Write Commands file and move your mouse over
   it. Click once.
5) Click the open button with your mouse.

The dictionary should open, listing all the commands for that particularly
osax. This works for any file that shows up in the dialog while you are in
the script editor, including scriptable applications.

Dennis L. Whiteman
THE ULTIMATE FREELANCER
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 9 Nov 1994 07:58:15 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Brent Schneeman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Setting file type and creator

I'm trying to write a script which modifies a file's type and creator code.
Specifically, I want to turn an un-typed file into an Excel file. I tried
this:

on run
        set FileName to (choose file)
        set type of file FileName to "XLS4"
        set Creator of file FileName to "XCEL"
end run

and got a "can't set type of file (blah blah blah) to 'XLS4'" error. I've
tried referring to FileName in many different ways (as text, as data, ...)
but still get errors. Please help me.

I'm using System 7.5 and AS1.1


--
                            |          \|/
Brent Schneeman             |  ___.oO___|_  (It's a snowman in the desert
[e-mail] |                next to a saguaro)

"He never cried crack until he brought him home as drunk as a boiled owl"
                                -James Joyce
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 9 Nov 1994 11:38:31 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Steve Alex <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Setting file type and creator

>I'm trying to write a script which modifies a file's type and creator code.
>Specifically, I want to turn an un-typed file into an Excel file. I tried
>this:
>
>on run
>        set FileName to (choose file)
>        set type of file FileName to "XLS4"
>        set Creator of file FileName to "XCEL"
>end run
>
>and got a "can't set type of file (blah blah blah) to 'XLS4'" error. I've
>tried referring to FileName in many different ways (as text, as data, ...)
>but still get errors. Please help me.
>
>I'm using System 7.5 and AS1.1


Close, but use the scriptable finder

tell application "Finder"
        set FileName to (choose file)
        set file type of FileName to "XLS4"
        set creator type of FileName to "XCEL"

end tell

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=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 9 Nov 1994 09:39:51 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Stephen Iremonger <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re- FileMaker Pro and Apple

                       Subject:                               Time:9:33
  OFFICE MEMO          Re: FileMaker Pro and AppleScript      Date:11/9/94
Maybe I missing something but can you use Try and On Error to test for error
conditions i.e.

tell application "FileMaker Pro"
        try
                every Record whose Cell 1 = "testData"
        on error number errNum
                if errNum = -1728 then  -- object not found
                        'do some stuff in here'
    else
      'do some other stuff'
                end if
        end try
end tell

Regards
Stephen
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 9 Nov 1994 19:35:40 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         WalrathW <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Setting file type and creator

> on run
>         set FileName to (choose file)
>         set type of file FileName to "XLS4"
>         set Creator of file FileName to "XCEL"
> end run

While I don't have extensive experience with scripting the Finder (nor do I
even have the finder scripting extension installed on my lowly IIci at home
here so I can't test this), I expect you need to direct the commands to the
Finder:

tell application "Finder"
        set creator type of file "American Fool:Desktop Folder:jim response" to
"ttxt"
end tell

At the moment you are telling AppleScript to set the creator type, a task for
which it knows nothing about unless there is an osax installed which would
receive the message. I also think you need to use "creator type" and "file
type" but I could very well be wrong.

-wayne
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 9 Nov 1994 11:04:08 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: PGP Scripts 1.0 (Eudora & PGP)

>BTW, I have System 7.5 and got an RSA key with it (went through the notary
>and all that). Can that key be used with PGP? It is certainly verified, and
>that should be worth more than other people's signature on the public key.

Not their different.

Verifying PGP keys is an intereting problem which will be solved with
keyservers watching public transactions (like newsgroup posts and mailing
list posts) and associating your key with your mailing address.

Kinda like building a credit record.

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 9 Nov 1994 11:19:33 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: PGP Scripts 1.0 (Eudora & PGP)

>>BTW, I have System 7.5 and got an RSA key with it (went through the notary
>>and all that). Can that key be used with PGP? It is certainly verified, and
>>that should be worth more than other people's signature on the public key.
>
>Hey, how did getting the RSA key go. It looked like a pain in the butt. Oh
>well, can you pass on any information you get....
>CW
>
>Carlin Edward Wiegner               e-mail: [e-mail]
>P.O. Box 9998                       www:  http://quark.stanford.edu
>Stanford, CA 94309

THe easiest way seems to be at WWDC. RSA were doing it for free (big lines
when I looked though).

If you can wait till next may!

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 9 Nov 1994 11:23:07 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Write to a File

>And yes,
>   return return
>is a legal AppleScript statement, and manages to do what one would expect.
>And the formatting does help (if you set it up right), since the first
>return is formatted as a language keyword, and the second as an application
>keyword.


Anyone for an obfuscated AppleScript contest?

>
>Once again, I'm glad I didn't write that parser!  --John

I think with playing with AppleScript for some time (and watching some of
our developers fiddling with aete definitions) that the who trick behind
the AppleScript parser is:

1. that its not context free (like most parsers except C++ or Algol 68)

2. that it tried to grab the biggest chunk it can understand in one go.

Still it amazes me what it can cope with.

Who wrote it? Can anyone reveal anything about the methods or ideas behind
the parser? What are the difficulties in parsing an extensible language
like AppleScript?

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 9 Nov 1994 14:44:18 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Hadfield <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Filemaker Pro & Applescript

>I'm running a script in conjunction with a MacHTTP server that allows WWW users
>to search a filemaker pro data base.  It works great except if they try and
>search for something that's not in the data base, then they get a cgi
>application error, and the script stays on (I like my scripts to quit after
>they're through - otherwise I get too many things going at once).  I'd like to
>return a meaningful statement when their search comes up with nothing.  The
>most
>promising suggestion I've gotten is displayed below - still gets a cgi
>application error.  I'm sure it doesn't like the if answer = "", but this works
>for checking to see if http_search_args are empty, so why won't it work for
>this?  And if that's not the way to do it, then how?  Any suggestions?
>
>-----------------------------------------------
>tell application "FileMaker Pro"
>                Open alias "Policy Dev 1:Desktop Folder:MacHTTP:fm_form"
>                Show (every Record of Window "fm_form" whose Cell 7 =
>your_name)
>                copy Field 8 of Window "fm_form" to answer
>                Quit Application "FileMaker Pro"
>        end tell
>        if answer = "" then
>                quit
>                return http_10_header & "<H1>Sorry</H1> That name is not in my
>l
> ist."
>        else
>                quit
>                return http_10_header & "<H1>Here is your list!</H1><hr> " &
>ans
> wer
>        end if
>------------------------------------------------
>
>Thanks for your time and consideration.
>
>Sincerely,


What I would recommend doing, if I understand your problem, is adding an on
error routine to trap when the is no data found (as it causes an error to
be returned):

try

  tell application "FileMaker Pro"
    Open alias "Policy Dev 1:Desktop Folder:MacHTTP:fm_form"
    Show every Record of Window "fm_form" whose Cell 7 = your_name)
    quit
    return http_10_header & "<H1>Here is your list!</H1><hr> " & answer
  end tell

on error
     tell application "Filemaker Pro" to quit
    return http_10_header & "<H1>Sorry</H1> That name is not in my list."
end try
.
.
.

Mark Hadfield
[e-mail]
The Hospital For Sick Children
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 9 Nov 1994 11:56:52 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Setting file type and creator

At 06:58 11/9/94, Brent Schneeman wrote:
>I'm trying to write a script which modifies a file's type and creator code.
>Specifically, I want to turn an un-typed file into an Excel file. I tried
>this:
>
>on run
>        set FileName to (choose file)
>        set type of file FileName to "XLS4"
>        set Creator of file FileName to "XCEL"
>end run
>
>and got a "can't set type of file (blah blah blah) to 'XLS4'" error. I've
>tried referring to FileName in many different ways (as text, as data, ...)
>but still get errors. Please help me.

In (Scriptable) Finder, files have the properties
   file type
and
   creator type

rather than type and Creator.

Try

    set FileName to (choose file)
    set file type of file FileName to "XLS4"
    set creator type of file FileName to "XCEL"

--John (who hasn't tried the above)

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 10 Nov 1994 09:23:00 +1300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Graphic Scripting

>One question:  do your externals support PRINTING?  I think this would be
>an incredible addition...

Funny you should ask :-). Yes, I do indeed have another set of HyperCard
externals for doing direct Printing Manager calls. I had to work around some
interesting flakiness in getting them to function properly--did you know that
you have to set the current GrafPort to the printing port when you call
PrClosePage? I couldn't find this interesting fact documented anywhere.

I have successfully used them for printing custom reports for the person
who manages after-hours room bookings on campus--she's been using the stack
for several months now, with no problems reported. However, I recently tried
them out on a machine with QuickDraw GX installed, and got a crash. :-(

Of course, all this flakiness could be the consequence of some subtle
interaction with HyperCard's own use of the Printing Manager...

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Computer Services Dept                     fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 10 Nov 1994 09:34:00 +1300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Getting an RSA key (was Re: PGP Scripts 1.0)

"Robert W. Harder" <[e-mail]> writes:

>>Hey, how did getting the RSA key go.

>You need three
>forms of ID, one or two of which must be photo ID. A credit card will
>suffice for the third. You print out a form from the digisign app which has
>"garbage" that means something to RSA.

I gather that's an encoded form of your application, using a code that is
easy for them to OCR reliably. They want it on paper, in preference to a disk,
to make sure they're covered legally.

By the way, the fee for all this is US$25, and that applies throughout the
entire world apart from California. (In California, you pay sales tax on top
of that.) Of course, I got my signer at the Apple World-Wide Developer
Conference in May, where they were giving them out for free...

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Computer Services Dept                     fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 9 Nov 1994 15:24:41 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dennis Birch <[e-mail]>
Subject:      AppleScripts controlling AppleScripts

I'm trying to make one AppleScript send commands to another AppleScript,
without success. To test the possibility of doing this, I have created two
AppleScript applications, Master and Slave.

Master's script:

tell application "Slave"
        run
        doOrder("This is a test.")
end tell


Slave's script:

on doOrder(theText)
        display dialog theText
end doOrder


When I run Master, it apparently activates Slave, but all I get is a
spinning ball cursor and, eventually, a timeout error from Slave. If I
leave the "run" command out of Master's script or replace "run" with an
"activate" command, it does not appear to activate Slave.

Am I trying to do something that AppleScript can't do, or am I just going
about it wrong?

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dennis Birch

E-mail: [e-mail]

Floathe Johnson
High-Technology Advertising and Public Relations
Home Page: http://www.floathe.com/
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 9 Nov 1994 17:56:41 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Igor Livshits <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Multiple source files?

Howdy,

Coming from a tradition of small and concise C source files, I'd like to
use multiple source files for my compiled scripts and applications. Is
there a way I may do this with the standard AS package?

Thanks!
Igor

_____
NCSA-UIUC, e: [e-mail], w: [phone];  Have a Coke and a smile :)
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 10 Nov 1994 13:10:00 +1300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Getting an RSA key  (was Re: PGP Scripts 1.0)

Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]> writes:

>Verifying PGP keys is an intereting problem which will be solved with
>keyservers watching public transactions (like newsgroup posts and mailing
>list posts) and associating your key with your mailing address.

The RSA approach is to have your signer signed with RSA's own private key
when it is issued. The corresponding public key is built into every copy of
PowerTalk.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Computer Services Dept                     fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 9 Nov 1994 17:19:07 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Christopher Allen <[e-mail]>
Organization: Consensus Development Corporation, San Francisco, CA USA
Subject:      Re: Getting an RSA key (was Re: PGP Scripts 1.0)

At 12:34 PM 11/9/94, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton, wrote:
>By the way, the fee for all this is US$25, and that applies throughout the
>entire world apart from California. (In California, you pay sales tax on top
>of that.) Of course, I got my signer at the Apple World-Wide Developer
>Conference in May, where they were giving them out for free...

If you ever purchased 7.1 Pro, or System 7.5 in the US you should have
received a coupon in the box for a free signer from RSA. The difficulty
right now, as I understand it, is that not all international versions have
a coupon.

Also, rumor has it that if you are going to be at MacWorld SF in January
there may be another opportunity to "walk up" with your IDs in hand and get
a signer. I'm sure Apple and RSA will let you all know more as plans
progress.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
..Christopher Allen                  Consensus Development Corporation..
..<[e-mail]>                   4104-24th Street #419..
..                                        San Francisco, CA 94114-3615..
..                                        o415/647-6383  f415/647-6384..
..Mosaic/WWW Home Page:                                               ..
..<A HREF="http://www.consensus.com:8300/">Consensus Home Page</A>    ..
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 9 Nov 1994 17:31:11 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dennis Whiteman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Sys 7.5 Launcher, Windowshade

> I want WindowShade to do it's thing on a
> certain window.

> Tell Application "WindowShade"
>   Shrink Window "XXX"
> End Tell

So, did anyone figure this out. I've decided having a few windows (System
Folder, Recent Apps, Recent Docs, Recent Folders, Personal Catalog) open, but
shrunk down is a good thing. However, when I reboot, I have to go through and
manually shrink each one. Unfortunately, it appears that since WindowShade is
a control panel scripting this may not be possible. Maybe I'll look at a
QuicKeys solution. Can I tell QuicKeys to double-click some place?

Dennis L. Whiteman
THE ULTIMATE FREELANCER
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 9 Nov 1994 18:33:06 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Sys 7.5 Launcher, Windowshade

>> I want WindowShade to do it's thing on a
>> certain window.
>
>> Tell Application "WindowShade"
>>   Shrink Window "XXX"
>> End Tell
>
>So, did anyone figure this out. I've decided having a few windows (System
>Folder, Recent Apps, Recent Docs, Recent Folders, Personal Catalog) open, but
>shrunk down is a good thing. However, when I reboot, I have to go through and
>manually shrink each one. Unfortunately, it appears that since WindowShade is
>a control panel scripting this may not be possible. Maybe I'll look at a
>QuicKeys solution. Can I tell QuicKeys to double-click some place?


Its a control panel scripting this is not possible. You cannot script a
control panel (except for those control panels that aren;t really control
panels or those that finder takes under its wing and does evil things at a
low-level.

You certainly could use QuickKeys to click things.

Just another part of the highly integrated "shareware" OS. Were do I send
my $10?

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer
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Date:         Wed, 9 Nov 1994 18:39:19 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Getting an RSA key  (was Re: PGP Scripts 1.0)

>Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>>Verifying PGP keys is an intereting problem which will be solved with
>>keyservers watching public transactions (like newsgroup posts and mailing
>>list posts) and associating your key with your mailing address.
>
>The RSA approach is to have your signer signed with RSA's own private key
>when it is issued. The corresponding public key is built into every copy of
>PowerTalk.

The centralized approach versus the delocalised approach.

RSA are a trusted party in this transaction.

The other approach avoids a trusted party but gives some hope of verifying
the person says who they are.

THe whole issue of protocols for crypto is almost as intersting as the
crypto alogorithms themselves -- they are often the weakset parts too.

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer
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Date:         Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:13:17 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Sys 7.5 Launcher, Windowshade
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Wed, 09 Nov 94 17:31:11 CST"

Dennis asks...

> > I want WindowShade to do it's thing on a
> > certain window.
>
> > Tell Application "WindowShade"
> >   Shrink Window "XXX"
> > End Tell
>
> So, did anyone figure this out. I've decided having a few windows (System
> Folder, Recent Apps, Recent Docs, Recent Folders, Personal Catalog) open, but
> shrunk down is a good thing. However, when I reboot, I have to go through and
> manually shrink each one. Unfortunately, it appears that since WindowShade is
> a control panel scripting this may not be possible. Maybe I'll look at a
> QuicKeys solution. Can I tell QuicKeys to double-click some place?

Yes, you can tell QuicKeys to click in specific places. Let's see if I can
remember this stuff without my Mac. You'll want to set up a long enough wait
for the Finder to start up or you could probably kick the quickey off with
AppleScript. You'll need to make the double-click occur on the frontmost
window, and then you'll need to cycle the windows to bring the next one to the
front for its double-click. If you keep the same number of windows open, you
could wrap these steps in a repeat. Shouldn't be too hard (he says, smirking).

pf
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Date:         Wed, 9 Nov 1994 23:36:42 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dennis Whiteman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re(2): Sys 7.5 Launcher, Windowshade

>Shouldn't be too hard (he says, smirking).

It looked easy when I started out and I did get it done, but it took over an
hour to figure out the best way. For the benefit of anyone else who might be
considering this: BLOW OFF USING APPLESCRIPT TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN LAUNCH
THE QUICKEY. I started out with the windows in my Startup items folder so
they would always open. Then, I set up QuicKeys to simply double-click on
each window. Since they're overlapping, QuicKeys timed out.

Then I had AppleScript open each item, execute a QuicKey for each one, and go
to the next one, etc. None of the QuicKeys got done again because they timed
out. Plus I had the additional problem that the PowerTalk catalogs are really
folders so for some reason they behaved differently than regular folders.
Ultimately, I settled on one QuicKey sequence that opens the folder/catalog,
waits 'til it appears, double clicks on it, etc. If I add more windows, I
have to add more steps. Oh, I do have a line at the end of my startup script
that executes this QuicKey.

Dennis L. Whiteman
THE ULTIMATE FREELANCER
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 10 Nov 1994 17:53:51 +1100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jeremy Peter Howard <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Multiple source files?
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]> from "Igor
              Livshits" at Nov 9, 94 05:56:41 pm

> Coming from a tradition of small and concise C source files, I'd like to
> use multiple source files for my compiled scripts and applications. Is
> there a way I may do this with the standard AS package?
>
Yes. Have a look at the chapter on script objects in the AppleScript
Language Reference.

Basically, you just save a script with a few handlers in it, and load it as
a script object in your calling routine (myScript = load script "Foo").
Then refer to the handler in any of the normal ways (Foo's bar, tell Foo to
bar, bar of Foo...)

Hope this helps,


/==============================\
| Jeremy P. Howard              |       "Logic must take care of itself."
| [e-mail]  |        Ludwig Wittgenstein
\==============================/         Tractatus Logico-Philisophicus
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 10 Nov 1994 17:56:53 +1100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jeremy Peter Howard <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScripts controlling AppleScripts
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]> from "Dennis
              Birch" at Nov 9, 94 03:24:41 pm

>
> I'm trying to make one AppleScript send commands to another AppleScript,
> without success. To test the possibility of doing this, I have created two
> AppleScript applications, Master and Slave.
>
> Master's script:
>
> tell application "Slave"
>         run
>         doOrder("This is a test.")
> end tell
>
>
> Slave's script:
>
> on doOrder(theText)
>         display dialog theText
> end doOrder
>
>
> When I run Master, it apparently activates Slave, but all I get is a
> spinning ball cursor and, eventually, a timeout error from Slave. If I
> leave the "run" command out of Master's script or replace "run" with an
> "activate" command, it does not appear to activate Slave.
>
Slave must be saved as 'stay-open'. It doesn't need a run command, but you
do have to have it running to use it (open it with the Scriptable Finder,
eg). Other than that, this should be fine.

Hope this helps,


/==============================\
| Jeremy P. Howard              |       "Logic must take care of itself."
| [e-mail]  |        Ludwig Wittgenstein
\==============================/         Tractatus Logico-Philisophicus
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Date:         Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:08:36 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dario Lopez =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=E4sten?= <[e-mail]>
Subject:      AS Complexity

>Date:    Wed, 9 Nov 1994 11:23:07 -0800
>From:    Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: Write to a File
>

[reply-stuff deleted]

>
>I think with playing with AppleScript for some time (and watching some of
>our developers fiddling with aete definitions) that the who trick behind
>the AppleScript parser is:
>
>1. that its not context free (like most parsers except C++ or Algol 68)
>
>2. that it tried to grab the biggest chunk it can understand in one go.
>
>Still it amazes me what it can cope with.
>
>Who wrote it? Can anyone reveal anything about the methods or ideas behind
>the parser? What are the difficulties in parsing an extensible language
>like AppleScript?
>
>Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
>[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer
>

Does anyone know what kind of expressive power the AS language has compared
to other programming languages?

/dario


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Date:         Thu, 10 Nov 1994 09:02:34 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Hadfield <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScripts controlling AppleScripts

>>
>> I'm trying to make one AppleScript send commands to another AppleScript,
>> without success. To test the possibility of doing this, I have created two
>> AppleScript applications, Master and Slave.
>>
>> Master's script:
>>
>> tell application "Slave"
>>         run
>>         doOrder("This is a test.")
>> end tell
>>
>>
>> Slave's script:
>>
>> on doOrder(theText)
>>         display dialog theText
>> end doOrder
>>
>>
>> When I run Master, it apparently activates Slave, but all I get is a
>> spinning ball cursor and, eventually, a timeout error from Slave. If I
>> leave the "run" command out of Master's script or replace "run" with an
>> "activate" command, it does not appear to activate Slave.

 Jeremy P. Howard responded:
>Slave must be saved as 'stay-open'. It doesn't need a run command, but you
>do have to have it running to use it (open it with the Scriptable Finder,
>eg). Other than that, this should be fine.

Jeremy is right with one small addendum:  you do not have to have it
running to for it to work.  As long as the slave applet is saved as
'stay-open'  when you issue it a command it will launch and then perform
the command.  No need to launch it from the scriptable finder.  Now if the
slave applet was on a different Mac on the network it would need to be
running to receive the command...

Mark Hadfield
[e-mail]
The Hospital For Sick Children
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 10 Nov 1994 23:22:55 +0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Todd Hooper <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Filemaker - repeating fields
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]> from "Automatic digest
              processor" at Nov 10, 94 00:01:32 am

I have a FileMaker database with repeating fields in it e.g. the
record stores a name and other details, plus a date and notes field
which can repeat up to ten times.

What AppleScript do I use to access instantiation 'n' of the repeating
fields? I have tried a few variations with no luck. The example scripts
for FileMaker don't appear to have any references to repeating fields.

I know I have seen this one before but I can't remember it for the
life of me!

Thanks,

Todd
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Date:         Thu, 10 Nov 1994 09:16:11 PST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Jokinen <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScripts controlling AppleScripts

> I'm trying to make one AppleScript send commands to another AppleScript,
> without success. To test the possibility of doing this, I have created two
> AppleScript applications, Master and Slave.
>
> Master's script:
>
> tell application "Slave"
>         run
>         doOrder("This is a test.")
> end tell
>
>
> Slave's script:
>
> on doOrder(theText)
>         display dialog theText
> end doOrder
>
> When I run Master, it apparently activates Slave, but all I get is a
> spinning ball cursor and, eventually, a timeout error from Slave. If I
> leave the "run" command out of Master's script or replace "run" with an
> "activate" command, it does not appear to activate Slave.

You have three alternatives:

1. Send the commands directly to a stay-open script application. The script
application must be present at run time. If you change it, you don't need to
recompile its clients.

Server
=====
on foo(aParameter)
 return aParameter
end foo

on bar(aParameter)
 return reverse of characters of aParameter as string
end bar

Client
=====
tell application "FooBar"
    display dialog foo("foo")
    display dialog bar("bar")
    display dialog bad("bad")
end tell

2. Add a command record parameter to the "run" handler in a stay-open script
application, and use that parameter to create a dispatch table. The script
application must be present at run time. If you change it, you don't need to
recompile its clients.

Server (cont...)
============
on run aCmdRec
 if command of aCmdRec is "foo" then
  return foo(parameter of aCmdRec)
 else if command of aCmdRec is "bar" then
  return bar(parameter of aCmdRec)
 else
  error "Unknown command: " & command of aCmdRec
 end if
end run

Client
=====
tell application "FooBar"
 set theCmdRec to {command:"foo", parameter:"foo"}
 display dialog (run theCmdRec)
 set theCmdRec to {command:"bar", parameter:"bar"}
 display dialog (run theCmdRec)
 set theCmdRec to {command:"bad", parameter:"bad"}
 display dialog (run theCmdRec)
end tell

3. Load the script into a property, then "tell" the property what to do. The
advantage of this technique is that the FooBar script doesn't need to be
present at run time. It is completely encapsulated within the property at
compile time. If you change the encapsulated script, remember to recompile
all its clients.

Client
=====
property FooBar: load script alias "MacintoshHD:FooBar"

tell FooBar
    display dialog foo("foo")
    display dialog bar("bar")
    display dialog bad("bad")
end tell

Happy scripting!

David Jokinen
Ground Zero Software
(([e-mail]))
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 10 Nov 1994 09:16:02 PST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Jokinen <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Sys 7.5 Launcher, Windowshade

>BLOW OFF USING APPLESCRIPT TO DO ANYTHING OTHER
>THAN LAUNCH THE QUICKEY

I had been trying for months to integrate AppleScript with QuicKeys, with
lousy results. There are three basic problems:

1. QuicKeys Toolbox doesn't work as advertised via AppleScript.
2. QuicKeys Script is the worst scripting language ever devised.
3. Integration between AppleScript and QuicKeys Script is hopeless.

Then I saw the light: PreFab Player. Now my AppleScripts know no limits. If
you script, you need ths tool. It's that simple.

David Jokinen
Ground Zero Software
(([e-mail]))
***************************************************************
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    - ... by name, partial name or position number
    - ... optional holding one or more modifier keys
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dialogs
    - click buttons, select radio button options
    - check, uncheck or toggle checkboxes
    - click unnamed objects (e.g. iconic buttons) by unique ID
    - navigate file open & save dialogs

keyboard
    - type text
    - enter command/shift/option/control key combinations
    - hit function keys, arrows, and other special keys

mouse
    - click (usually relative to the frontmost window or dialog)
    - drag ... including through an entire sequence of locations

query
    - determine if a menu, dialog item or window exists
    - get the name and attributes of menus and windows
    - find the name, value or contents of dialog items

balloon help
    - shows the name, ID, type & XY location of any user interface object


For the scripting language of your choice

Frontier's UserTalk:
    with Player
        chooseMenu("File", "Page Setup")
        selectRadio("US Legal")
        acceptDialog()

    with Player, keys, modifiers
        typeCombination(cmd, "s")
        choosePopup("Format", "MacWrite")
        typeText(rightArrow + ".MWP")
        clickButton("Save")

AppleScript:
    tell application "PreFab Player"
        do menu menu item "Page Setup" of menu "File"
        click radio button "US Legal"
        type enter
    end tell

    tell application "PreFab Player"
        type "s" holding command
        do menu popup item "MacWrite" of menu "Format"
        type {right arrow, ".MWP"}
        click button "Save"
    end tell
***************************************************************
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 - define custom keyboard shortcuts
 - extensions for bypassing control panels, etc.

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 - adds verbs to Frontier or AppleScript
 - special balloon help to identify user interface objects
 - documentation and tech support aimed at script writers

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 - smaller footprint (200K of RAM)


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Inc.

"I tried to call Tempo from Frontier, but it was a nightmare.  Player is
exactly what I needed."
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"While I continue to use Tempo for my own, day-to-day shortcuts, I have found
Player to be better for automating unattended systems.  Since I can control
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=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 10 Nov 1994 13:58:31 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Filemaker - repeating fields
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Todd Hooper" at Nov 10, 94 11:22:55 pm

--Todd Hooper wrote:
>
>What AppleScript do I use to access instantiation 'n' of the repeating
>fields? I have tried a few variations with no luck. The example scripts
>for FileMaker don't appear to have any references to repeating fields.

    Well, you kind of can't access item n of a repeating field. What you
will need to do is get all of the elements of the repeating field as a
list and then work on the elements of the list in AppleScript. When your
done making changes to the list to put the new list back into the
repeating field.

-Hades
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 10 Nov 1994 22:51:08 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Marc Bizer <[e-mail]>
Subject:      drag and drop application for changing creator code

Hi everyone,
        I was interested in the question about how to write a script that
would change a file's creator code, but I do that a lot. I'd like to make a
script-application onto which I can drop files to change their creator
codes, but nothing I do seems to produce the icon with the downward arrow
that the drop-compatible app should have (my app also doesn't allow me to
drop on it). What am I doing wrong? I know that this is a stupid question,
but I haven't received the Tao of AppleScript yet.-:)
        Attached is my script.
        Many thanks,
        Marc

on run
        tell application "Finder"
                activate
                set theFile to selection
                set file type of file theFile to "TEXT"
                set creator type of file theFile to "R*ch"
        end tell
end run
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 10 Nov 1994 17:00:32 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: drag and drop application for changing creator code
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Marc Bizer" at Nov 10, 94 10:51:08 pm

--Marc Bizer wrote:
>
>        I was interested in the question about how to write a script that
>would change a file's creator code, but I do that a lot. I'd like to make a
>script-application onto which I can drop files to change their creator
>codes, but nothing I do seems to produce the icon with the downward arrow
>that the drop-compatible app should have (my app also doesn't allow me to
>drop on it). What am I doing wrong? I know that this is a stupid question,
>but I haven't received the Tao of AppleScript yet.-:)

    It's a basic question, but it's one that is very easy to miss. This
is basically what your script should look like:

on open theFiles
   tell application "Finder"
      repeat with f in theFiles
         set file type of file f to "TEXT"
         set creator type of file f to "R*ch"
      end repeat
   end tell
end open


    It's the "on open theFiles" that tells the Script Editor that you
want to create a droplet instead of an applet. Any script with an "on
open" handler will default to saving as a droplet is you choose to save
it as an application. The "on run" and "on idle" handlers will default
to applets. It's important to note that the "on open" handler seems to
take precedence over the other two because if you save a script that
contains an "on open" and one or more of the others it will default to a
droplet. But you will still be able to simply double click on it, as
well.

-Hades
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 10 Nov 1994 16:24:11 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      new on gaea

Everyone,

You'll find Preston Holmes' much discussed PGP scripts in

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/scripts/PGP_Scripts_1.0.sit.hqx

You might also want to check out the XCMD Shell in

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/addons/XCMDShell0.1b3.sit.hqx

XCMD Shell is an application which allows you to call XCMD's from AppleScript
without running HyperCard. XCMD Shell is much faster than running HyperCard,
and it is distributable with your AppleScripts for nothing. This version fixes
some memory problems the earlier version had.

Enjoy,

pf
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:44:16 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: drag and drop application for changing creator code

>Hi everyone,
>        I was interested in the question about how to write a script that
>would change a file's creator code, but I do that a lot. I'd like to make a
>script-application onto which I can drop files to change their creator
>codes, but nothing I do seems to produce the icon with the downward arrow
>that the drop-compatible app should have (my app also doesn't allow me to
>drop on it). What am I doing wrong? I know that this is a stupid question,
>but I haven't received the Tao of AppleScript yet.-:)
>        Attached is my script.
>        Many thanks,
>        Marc
>
>on run
>        tell application "Finder"
>                activate
>                set theFile to selection
>                set file type of file theFile to "TEXT"
>                set creator type of file theFile to "R*ch"
>        end tell
>end run

You need an open handler to make a droplet. This handler needs one
parameter which is list of aliases to the files dropped on the droplet.

The script fragment

on open theFilelist
    repeat with theItem in theFilelist
        ...
        do something to the item
        ...
    end
end

is something of an AppleScript idiom.

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 11 Nov 1994 11:59:00 +1300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      "Get Terminology" event question

Hi all.

I'm working on a new version of EightyLister (patience, patience!). One of the
new features I'm trying to provide is the option to get an application's
terminology by sending them a "get terminology" event, rather than just by
opening the application file directly. This would be useful for applications
which have dynamic terminologies.

Trouble is, I don't think I've got a proper understanding of how the AppleScript
"get terminology" event is supposed to work. On the AppleScript 1.1 CD, there
is a document called "AppleScript Suite". This describes the get terminology
event, but doesn't say that there are any parameters for it. So how do you
specify what language code and script code you want the terminology for?

The only application I've got at home with dynamic terminology is the
Scriptable Finder. When I try sending it a get terminology event, I get an
error saying some parameter is missing.

Can anybody shed some light on this? Thanks if you can.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Computer Services Dept                     fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 10 Nov 1994 04:13:39 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Thomas C. O'Brien" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scriptable Telnet App?

Does anyone know of a scriptable Telnet App?

Thanks,

Tomo

[e-mail]


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Thomas C. O'Brien
Instructional Technology Coordinator
Academic Achievement Division
2515 Channing Way
UC Berkeley
Berkeley CA 94720

<a href="http://128.32.252.17/Tomo's_Home_Page.html">Tomo -
[e-mail]</a>
[phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 10 Nov 1994 16:27:11 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jerry Ballard <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scriptable Telnet App?

Vicom
604-684-9517 voice
604-684-9519 fax

I'd also assume you can do Telnet thru Microphone...

Here's the Vicom dictionary...

Required Suite: Events that every application should support

open: Open the specified object(s)
        open  alias  -- list of objects to open

print: Print the specified object(s)
        print  alias  -- list of objects to print

quit: Quit application
        quit

run: Sent to an application when it is double-clicked
        run

VICOM events: Additional events supported by VICOM

Send Message: Sends a message to a running macro
        Send Message  string
                [params  string]  -- Parameters which are passed to the macro
                [to window  string]  -- Window to send the message to
                [async  constant]  -- Script continues without waiting for the m
acro to
terminate
        [Result:   anything]

Do Script: Execute a VICOM script
        Do Script  alias  -- The name of the file containing the script
                [params  string]  -- Parameters which are passed to the macro
                [in window  string]  -- Window to run the macro in
                [async  constant]  -- Script continues without waiting for the m
acro to
terminate
        [Result:   anything]

Connect to: Connects to a service
        Connect to  string  -- Name of the service to connect to

GetGlobal: Returns a value of a VICOM global variable
        GetGlobal  string  -- Name of the variable
        Result:   anything

SetGlobal: Sets a value of a VICOM global variable
        SetGlobal  string  -- Name of the variable
                to  anything  -- value to set the variable to


_______________________________________________________________________________


Does anyone know of a scriptable Telnet App?

Thanks,

Tomo

[e-mail]


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Thomas C. O'Brien
Instructional Technology Coordinator
Academic Achievement Division
2515 Channing Way
UC Berkeley
Berkeley CA 94720

<a href="http://128.32.252.17/Tomo's_Home_Page.html">Tomo -
[e-mail]</a>
[phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 10 Nov 1994 21:57:24 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Atul Butte <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scriptable Telnet App?

>Does anyone know of a scriptable Telnet App?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Tomo

My TCP/IP Scripting Addition includes a Telnet sample script... you can
modify it to do whatever you'd like during a telnet session.

You can find it at gaea.kgs.ukans.edu, in

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/osaxen/tcpip-addition-unreg-1.1.2.sea.hqx

or on any infomac mirror, in:

[Archived as /info-mac/dev/tcp-ip-112-osax.hqx; 1027K]

Let me know if you have any questions on using it or customizing it...

-- Atul



+----------------------------------------------------------------------
| Atul Butte
| President, Mango Tree Software
| Box 41119
| Providence, RI 02940
| 401-942-6882
|
| [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 10 Nov 1994 19:08:41 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dennis Whiteman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Filemaker - repeating fields

Hi Todd,

I've written an applet/Filemaker package called List Processor that works
around some of the problems of dealing with repeating fields. The reason it's
called List Processor is that Filemaker Pro repeating fields are returned to
AppleScript as lists of strings if you get data on a field of one record.

For example, in a mythical database containing one repeating field with five
repetitions in one record, the following would happen:

Get Data Field 1 of database 1
=> {"1", "2", "3", "4", "5"}

Get Data Cell 1
=> {"1"} -- same as item 1 of the result returned by the first event

Get Data Cell 2
=> {"2"} -- same as item 2 of the result returned by the first event

If you had two records, the following would happen:

Get Data Field 1
=> {{"1", "2", "3", "4", "5"}, {"6", "7", "8", "9", "10"}}

You also need to review the object containment stuff in the "Filemaker and
Apple Events" database. Get Data Field gets all values in all records (either
in the found set or in the entire database). Get Data Cell gets only the
value in a specified field in a specified record. Doing this on a repeating
field gets only one repetition.

As for the other stuff in List Processor, which I need to send to the FTP
site, the package demonstrates running AppleScript scripts from scripts and
buttons in an example database. Examples include, appending single fields to
the beginning or end of repeating fields, combining values in two repeating
fields into a third repeating field (allowing you to specify which comes
first or last), getting values from single fields in one database and putting
them into a repeating field in another database, sorting items in individual
repeating fields alphabetically, by date or numerically, sorting repeating
fields in groups (so that individual lines stay together after sorting) with
multiple sort keys, and deleting lines of multiple repeating fields based on
the value selected in a radio button. Whew!

I'll send it to the ftp site either tonight or tommorow. I think it's worth
looking at because it has some good examples of using AppleScript to
manipulate repeating fields.

Dennis L. Whiteman
THE ULTIMATE FREELANCER

 ------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, Thu, Nov 10, 1994 ------

I have a FileMaker database with repeating fields in it e.g. the
record stores a name and other details, plus a date and notes field
which can repeat up to ten times.

What AppleScript do I use to access instantiation 'n' of the repeating
fields? I have tried a few variations with no luck. The example scripts
for FileMaker don't appear to have any references to repeating fields.

I know I have seen this one before but I can't remember it for the
life of me!

Thanks,

Todd
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 11 Nov 1994 01:13:51 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Tom Pollard <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: GNU diff droplet

Fred Terry <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Tom Pollard has contributed a GNU diff droplet script that I have moved into
>
> ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/scripts/GNU_diff.sit.hqx
>
[...]
> file-comparison utility. Be sure to read the Read Me file.

Since it's not archived on gaea separately, here's a copy of the Read
Me, to give you a better idea of whether this package is going to be
useful to you or not.  I've been using it in more or less its present
form for the last six or seven months, now.

Cheers,

Tom


-----------------------------------------
AppleScript/QuicKeys droplet for GNU diff
-----------------------------------------

"GNU diff" is an AppleScript droplet that acts as a "user-friendly"
wrapper for "diff", the Unix file-comparison utility.  QuicKeys 3.0
is used to drive the actual application.  A number of Applescript
extensions are used, in particular the "Regular Expressions" and "Choose
Files & Folders" extensions from Mark Alldritt's Script Tools Suite.

--- Installation

To use "GNU Diff", it's only necessary that the "GNU Diff" droplet is in
the same folder as the rsrcs folder, which holds the "diff" application,
the dialog window definition and the on-line help file.  Also, make sure
that you've installed required scripting additions.  The Script Tools
Suite is available from many places, including the info-mac archives and
the scripting archives at 'gaea.kgs.ukans.edu'.  You'll probably want to
put an alias of the GNU diff droplet somewhere where it's easy to drop
files on it.

--- Why?

I put this together because I know of no other drop-launchable
application that reports the differences between two files or two
folders.  The available shareware/freeware utilities (Compare-0.9,
Compare-All, TCXDiff) all have interfaces that are awkward to use for
multiple file comparisons.  Also, I like and understand the format in
which "diff" reports its results, but none of the other applications
supports this.

--- Description

"Diff" is a simple port of the corresponding Gnu utility to the Mac by
Timothy Murphy of Trinity College Dublin <[e-mail]>; it and its
source code are ftpable from ftp.maths.tcd.ie.  It's based on version
2.0 of "diff".  While functional, its only user interface is
unfortunately the Think C console i/o dialog. :-(  This means, for
instance, that the input file names have to be typed in to the dialog
window, with full path names if they're in a different directory from
the application!

My Applescript droplet hides this abomination by offering a drop-launch
interface and a (more) friendly dialog for specifying the input and
output files and the command line options.  QuicKeys is used to launch
the actual application and paste in the command-line arguments that were
prepared by Applescript.  I think it's a good example of how the two
systems can be used together to script otherwise unscriptable apps.

Although it could be improved, it's now possible to get the diffs of two
files (a control file and a comparison file) by dropping them on the
"GNU diffs" app.  There's an option to switch the order of the file
arguments; this is useful since you don't have any control of the order
in which the files are given to the app when drop-launching.  I haven't
tested all of the many features of the underlying Unix application, but
those I have tried seem to do what you'd expect them to.

Particularly nice is the ability to drag two folders onto the droplet
and get comparisons of all matching files in the two.

Online help for the diff command-line options is provided by opening a
QuicKeys text editor window with the help file, taken largely from the
info file distributed with the current GNU version of diff.  Additional
documentation for the app is available in the included copy of the Sun
man pages for diff (sorry if these don't correspond exactly to the
version that Timothy Murphy ported).

--- Wishlist

Right now, the dialog resource is kept in a separate file.  It would be
better to put it directly into the Applescript droplet, but the Script
Editor seems to destroy it if you make and save any changes to the script.
Second, it would be nice to offer a more user-friendly way of choosing
command-line options, such as a big panel of buttons or a list dialog.
Finally, I'd prefer to avoid the QuicKey'ing the file i/o dialog
altogether, but there's no good way to specify the output file for diff using
only QuicKeys and Applescript (suggestions?).

--- Disclaimer

While it's reasonably bomb-proof on my own system, a Q610 running system
7.1 with Applescript 1.1 and QuicKeys 3.0, there can't be any guarantees
about its stability on any other machine.  Any suggestions, gripes and
especially improvements will be gratefully accepted.

I have a similar droplet for the complementary application, 'patch', but
it still hasn't been updated to work under AppleScript 1.1.  It wouldn't
take more than a morning, but since it hasn't turned out to be all
that important for me, it hasn't been done yet.  If anyone wants it in
its current form, they're welcome to it.

My meager contributions to this package are public domain.  "Diff" is,
in principle, "Free Software", and Mark Alldritt's scripting additions
are freely useable but copyrighted (right?).

Hope this is useful to someone besides me :-)

Tom Pollard
Nov 5, 1994

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
W. Thomas Pollard                       Department of Chemistry
[e-mail]         Columbia University
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 11 Nov 1994 01:08:38 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Lloyd <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scripting WindowShade

Scripting WindowShade...

> So, did anyone figure this out. I've decided having a few windows (System
> Folder, Recent Apps, Recent Docs, Recent Folders, Personal Catalog) open, but
> shrunk down is a good thing. However, when I reboot, I have to go through and
> manually shrink each one. Unfortunately, it appears that since WindowShade is
> a control panel scripting this may not be possible. Maybe I'll look at a
> QuicKeys solution. Can I tell QuicKeys to double-click some place?

I saw this,  and thought, this is a neat idea.
I came up with this:

tell application "Finder"
        activate
        copy windows to x
        copy (count of windows) to numWindows

        repeat with i from 1 to numWindows
                copy bounds of window i to theBounds
                copy ((item 1 of theBounds) + 30) to itemOne
                copy ((item 2 of theBounds) - 10) to itemTwo
                AutoClick {itemOne, itemTwo}
                AutoClick {itemOne, itemTwo}
                AutoClick {itemOne, itemTwo}
        end repeat

end tell

Unfortunately you can only get the Autoclick osax once you've registered
the Autotype osax (only a fiver).  Auto click simulates the mouse-
it  clicks at the coordinates as given in its parameters.
There are three clicks, one to activate the window and a double click.
For some reason, a double click on its own did not work as it should.

See that it also requires the scriptable Finder.

I saved this script as an application
and put it in my startup folder and it works as expected.

Dave L.
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 10 Nov 1994 22:40:36 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: "Get Terminology" event question

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>I don't think I've got a proper understanding of how the AppleScript
>"get terminology" event is supposed to work. On the AppleScript 1.1 CD, there
>is a document called "AppleScript Suite". This describes the get terminology
>event, but doesn't say that there are any parameters for it. So how do you
>specify what language code and script code you want the terminology for?
>
>The only application I've got at home with dynamic terminology is the
>Scriptable Finder. When I try sending it a get terminology event, I get an
>error saying some parameter is missing.

The direct parameter is a long which describes what language you want the
terminology in.  Basically, it is simply the script code shifted left 8
bits with the country code added into the low byte.  This is,
coincidentally, the resource id of the aete that you want.

For English, this is 0.  French is 1.  Japanese has two, 11 for Romanji and
267 for Kanji.

Jon
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 10 Nov 1994 22:40:47 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Multiple source files?

>> Coming from a tradition of small and concise C source files, I'd like to
>> use multiple source files for my compiled scripts and applications. Is
>> there a way I may do this with the standard AS package?
>>
>Yes. Have a look at the chapter on script objects in the AppleScript
>Language Reference.
>
>Basically, you just save a script with a few handlers in it, and load it as
>a script object in your calling routine (myScript = load script "Foo").
>Then refer to the handler in any of the normal ways (Foo's bar, tell Foo to
>bar, bar of Foo...)

An alternative, which is not simply the AppleScript package, is to use my
ScriptServer application and Leonard's OSA Menu to run an AppleScript which
will combine several files (ala #include) and compile the resulting file.
I have included a simple example script with ScriptServer, but I've left
the #include as an exercise for the reader.

If anyone wants to send me a script that does includes, I'll put it into
the ScriptServer package.  Otherwise it has to wait until I get some time
to write it, which ain't going to happen any time soon because I just got a
couple of Newtons and won't be having much free time until I get them doing
everything the way I want them too.  ;)

Jon
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 10 Nov 1994 22:57:47 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         MR Mac - Michael Robertson <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Tricky problem using date comparison

Here's the problem:

I have a script which I want to do a date comparison. The problem is that I
have to do this date comparison on a chunk of data I get within a loop
while talking to another app. This app has its own definition of what
'date' means and refuses to work. Here's a simple example:

This works:
----------
set TheDate to "Tuesday, February 3, 1998 12:00:00 AM"
set diff to (date TheDate) - (date "Monday, October 31, 1994 12:00:00 AM")
               ^               ^
               |               |


This does not work:
-------------------
tell application "Eudora"
   repeat (for a whole bunch of messages)
    set TheDate to date of message x of mailbox boxToCheck of mail folder ""
                    ^
                    |  (this line works

    set diff to (date TheDate) - (date "Monday, October 31, 1994")
                   ^               ^
                   |               | (this line won't)

    if diff meets some criteria
     munge the message
    end if

   end repeat
end tell


Because the 2nd & 3rd reference to "date" are within the Eudora tell, it is
using Eudora's definition of the term 'date' and not Applescripts. I can't
very well jump out of Eudora (end tell) because I'm right in the middle of
a repeat loop and I have to get assign the value of diff from criteria I
grab from Eudora. There must be some easy work around for this one. Can
some expert enlighten me?

How about Jon P.? Do you think you could stop writing cool OSAXen for the
*whole* AppleScript community and take time out to spoon feed me
AppleScript basics? :)



-- Michael


_____________________________________________________________________________
Michael Robertson - MR Mac         [phone] office
Macintosh Business Consultant      [phone] pager
San Diego Supercomputer Ctr.       [phone] fax

Internet, America Online           [e-mail]
_____________________________________________________________________________
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 11 Nov 1994 03:17:12 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Barry Chern <[e-mail]>
Subject:      OSAXen DB

I've placed in the incoming directory of gaea a FileMaker Pro database of
all the scripting additions I could find lying around on my hard-drives.
There are over 300 commands, including syntax. See the readme enclosed for
notes on its weaknesses and possible confusions.

Barry
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 11 Nov 1994 10:49:56 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         WalrathW <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Tricky problem using date comparison

> I have a script which I want to do a date comparison. The problem is that I
> have to do this date comparison on a chunk of data I get within a loop
> while talking to another app. This app has its own definition of what
> 'date' means and refuses to work. Here's a simple example:
>
> This works:
> ----------
> set TheDate to "Tuesday, February 3, 1998 12:00:00 AM"
> set diff to (date TheDate) - (date "Monday, October 31, 1994 12:00:00 AM")
<snip,snip>
> This does not work:
> -------------------
> tell application "Eudora"
>    repeat (for a whole bunch of messages)
>     set TheDate to date of message x of mailbox boxToCheck of mail folder
""
>                     ^
>                     |  (this line works
>
>     set diff to (date TheDate) - (date "Monday, October 31, 1994")
>                    ^               ^
>                    |               | (this line won't)
>
>     if diff meets some criteria
>      munge the message
>     end if
>
>    end repeat
> end tell

Seems like you could do the following though:

repeat (for a whole bunch of messages)
  tell application "Eudora"
    set TheDate to date of message x of mailbox boxToCheck of mail folder ""
  end tell

  set diff to (date TheDate) - (date "Monday, October 31, 1994")

  tell application "Eudora"
   .... .more stuff
  end tell

> How about Jon P.? Do you think you could stop writing cool OSAXen for the
> *whole* AppleScript community and take time out to spoon feed me
> AppleScript basics? :)

Yeah, Jon, Get a life! ....  ;-)

cheers,
  -waybe
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 11 Nov 1994 08:56:17 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: OSAXen DB
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Fri, 11 Nov 94 03:17:12 EST"

Everyone,

>I've placed in the incoming directory of gaea a FileMaker Pro database of
>all the scripting additions I could find lying around on my hard-drives.
>There are over 300 commands, including syntax. See the readme enclosed for
>notes on its weaknesses and possible confusions.

You'll find Barry's database in

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/addons/OSAXenDB.sit.hqx

You'll also find the latest versions of Aladdin's DropStuff and StuffIt
Expander in

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/scriptableapps/DropStuff_with_EE_3.5.2_Ins
taller.hqx
ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/scriptableapps/StuffIt_Expander_3.5.2_Inst
all.hqx

Enjoy.

pf
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Date:         Fri, 11 Nov 1994 09:05:08 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         mark stewart <[e-mail]>
Subject:      MacPGP scripts?

                       Subject:                               Time:8:57 AM
  OFFICE MEMO          MacPGP scripts?                        Date:11/11/94
>From the title of several recent messages about Eudora and MacPGP I'm assuming
that the latter is scriptable. Looking at it in ResEdit though I find that it
has no 'aete' resource for Frontier to sift through. Nor does Gaea's index list
any scripts for it. So the questions are:
1) Is MacPGP really scriptable?
2) Does anyone have any scripts for it they'd be willing to upload to Gaea?

Thanks,
Mark Stewart
BIAD-Research Imaging Center
UTHSCSA
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Date:         Fri, 11 Nov 1994 10:46:08 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Danny Goodman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Tricky problem using date comparison

>This app has its own definition of what
>'date' means and refuses to work.

I don't have Eudora to see how it handles dates, but I once ran into
something like this with the offset command.  Rather than break up my main
script, I sent the job to a subroutine, which was governed by AppleScript
alone, returning any necessary data (a boolean, in your case) to the main
script.

Danny Goodman
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Date:         Fri, 11 Nov 1994 08:27:59 PST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Jokinen <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scripting WindowShade

Here's another version of the "Toggle WindowShade" script.

property pClickPoint : {0, -1}
property pClickTimes : 2

on run
 tell application "Finder"
  activate
  repeat with iWindow in windows
   open iWindow
   tell application "PreFab Playerx"
    click location pClickPoint times pClickTimes
   end tell
  end repeat
 end tell
end run

I requires the Scriptable Finder and PreFab Player.

David Jokinen
Ground Zero Software
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Date:         Fri, 11 Nov 1994 08:32:17 PST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Jokinen <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Tricky problem using date comparison

>This does not work:
>-------------------
>tell application "Eudora"
>   repeat (for a whole bunch of messages)
>    set TheDate to date of message x of mailbox boxToCheck of mail folder ""
>                    ^
>                    |  (this line works
>
>    set diff to (date TheDate) - (date "Monday, October 31, 1994")
>                   ^               ^
>                   |               | (this line won't)
>
>    if diff meets some criteria
>     munge the message
>    end if
>
>   end repeat
>end tell

Since tell blocks don't persist across handler calls, you could stick your
date calculation in a separate handler:
***
tell application "Eudora"
    repeat ...
        do somthing with theDate...
        set diff to CalcDiff(theDate)
        do some more stuff with theDate...
    end repeat
end tell

on CalcDiff(aDate)
    return aDate - (date "Monday, October 31, 1994")
end CalcDiff
***
David Jokinen
Ground Zero Software
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Date:         Fri, 11 Nov 1994 12:11:26 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Daniel Berlinger <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MacPGP scripts?

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> 1) Is MacPGP really scriptable?

The unofficial version 2.6 universal which was released with the same
"limitations" as other unliscensed version has the aete resource. It is my
understanding that MIT is adding scripting to the official version and have
decided to wait for that.

Additionally, the 2.6 version will not read versions older than 2.3, I
believe, but the universal version does.

Daniel

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Daniel Berlinger                         [e-mail]
"I wasn't thinking...
          ...obviously this doesn't matter to my point."
Administrator of Information Systems   Circumstance Technology
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Date:         Fri, 11 Nov 1994 11:35:38 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Greg Hiner <[e-mail]>
Subject:      String to Record Class

Greetings-

I have an html form running on a web that writes information out to a file.
As you may know this information is tagged with a field name. This got me
thinking about applescripts record class so I munged the data it writes to
the file to look just like a record - example
{firstname:"Greg",lastname:"Hiner"}. Now what I would like to do is be able
to read that data back in at a later time and have applescript see it as a
record class object. When you read the file of course you get a string -
can you coerce this string to a record? The simple - newData as record -
does not seem to work. Any ideas.

Best-

Greg


 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 Greg Hiner                                      [phone] ext.82
 Computer Support                                [e-mail]
 Garrison Hall 318
 University of Texas at Austin
 Austin, TX 78712
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Date:         Fri, 11 Nov 1994 11:45:15 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dennis Whiteman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Script Editor Clicking Inaccurate

Hello,

Has anyone else noticed odd behaviour with Script Editor 1.1.1 and System
7.5? Selecting text in the editor isn't accurate and I'm getting a little
frustrated. I have to click close to some text and cursor over to select what
I want. Clicking is off by one or two characters and its a real problem. I
didn't have this problem with SE 1.1.1 and System 7.1.2. I copied my prefs
file over from the old System. Could this have something to do with this
problem?

Dennis L. Whiteman
THE ULTIMATE FREELANCER
[e-mail]
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Date:         Fri, 11 Nov 1994 19:28:19 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Christoph Dohrmann <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Eudora "SaveAs" and other menues

For some reason I need to save my messages into ASC Files (alfa) after I
used the menu "Edit|Wrap selection" to limit line length...
Online I can do this using the appropriate menues...
I would like to automate this and some more work I need to do in advance with -
you guessed it -                Applescript.

Since I need only the body (field "" of message 0) I could copy this and
write it into a file using the FileI/O osax.
BUT I thought about using the "save" command that is included with eudora's
core suite... which syntax is described as

>save: Save an object
>    save  reference  -- the object to save
>       [in  alias]  -- the file in which to save the object
>       [as  type class]  -- the file type of the document in which to save...



telling Eudora to

>    save field "" of message 0 in "TESTFILE" as text

results in a

>>   "field "" does not understand the save message..."

Any Ideas....

Than_ in advance
    .
    .
    .
    .
    X
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Date:         Fri, 11 Nov 1994 10:36:18 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Chuck Pliske <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 9 Nov 1994 to 10 Nov 1994

I have been trying to use the boolean file properties but they don't seem to
work:

on open xyzzy
        tell application "Finder"
                repeat with f in xyzzy
                        if the folder of f then
                        ...
                        end if
                end repeat
        end tell
end open

The dictionary sez there are a few of these: locked (which works), and alias
and folder (which don't seem to work)

An apple example (synchronize folders) uses the (f as text) and looks for a
trailing ":" to indicate a folder, but it seems as though there is a testable
property.

Am I doing something wrong?

thanks,

Chuck

This mail courtesy of Apple's System 7.5 and StarNine's Internet Gateway
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 11 Nov 1994 11:02:14 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Script Editor Clicking Inaccurate

>Hello,
>
>Has anyone else noticed odd behaviour with Script Editor 1.1.1 and System
>7.5? Selecting text in the editor isn't accurate and I'm getting a little
>frustrated. I have to click close to some text and cursor over to select what
>I want. Clicking is off by one or two characters and its a real problem. I
>didn't have this problem with SE 1.1.1 and System 7.1.2. I copied my prefs
>file over from the old System. Could this have something to do with this
>problem?


I reported this one to Apple by way of Adam "TidBITS" Engst and got mail
back from an Apple test engineer asking how to repro it. I sent a really
detailed bug report (including step by step instructions) and I think they
then reproed it and sent it onto engineering.

In my case it only happened on a Power Mac (any model) with System 7.5 with
the WorldScript Power Adaptor extension loaded. The offset seemed related
to the number of style changes in a line of text. Removing the WorldScript
Power Adaptor extension solved the problem, but TextEdit is then as slow as
hell.

This is the first time I've heard of it on a 68k Mac and pre-7.5 too.

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 11 Nov 1994 19:36:19 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dan Hinckley <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Eudora script upload

I've placed in the gaea incoming folder a script, EudoraAutoReply, to do
automatic replies in Eudora 2.1 by checking for keywords in headers. Hope
this is of interest. I'll appreciate any and all suggestions, comments,
etc. If anyone can tell me how to move the insertion point in a Eudora msg
body, I'll do an improved version right away.
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 11 Nov 1994 14:47:22 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Hadfield <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: String to Record Class

>I have an html form running on a web that writes information out to a file.
>As you may know this information is tagged with a field name. This got me
>thinking about applescripts record class so I munged the data it writes to
>the file to look just like a record - example
>{firstname:"Greg",lastname:"Hiner"}. Now what I would like to do is be able
>to read that data back in at a later time and have applescript see it as a
>record class object. When you read the file of course you get a string -
>can you coerce this string to a record? The simple - newData as record -
>does not seem to work. Any ideas.
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Greg Hiner                                      [phone] ext.82
> Computer Support                                [e-mail]
> Garrison Hall 318
> University of Texas at Austin
> Austin, TX 78712

Greg,
What it sounds like you want is a string of records:

set a to {{Name:"Mark",Address:"[e-mail]"},{Name:"Greg",...}}

You can then 'get record 1 of a'

I'm not sure if this is a full answer for you maybe just a direction to
look at...



Mark Hadfield
[e-mail]
The Hospital For Sick Children
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 11 Nov 1994 13:58:23 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Frank Concannon <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scriptable Telnet App?

>>Does anyone know of a scriptable Telnet App?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Tomo
>
>My TCP/IP Scripting Addition includes a Telnet sample script... you can
>modify it to do whatever you'd like during a telnet session.
>
>You can find it at gaea.kgs.ukans.edu, in

snip

>Let me know if you have any questions on using it or customizing it...
>
>-- Atul
>


Is it possible to write a full featured terminal emulation package using
this approach, with regard for terminal emulation etc ? What are the
issues.?

If this is possible I might give it a try BUT if there are obstacles I
would like to know of them now rather than when I am down the road.

Frank C.
R&E
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Date:         Fri, 11 Nov 1994 11:08:25 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: String to Record Class

>I have an html form running on a web that writes information out to a file.
>As you may know this information is tagged with a field name. This got me
>thinking about applescripts record class so I munged the data it writes to
>the file to look just like a record - example
>{firstname:"Greg",lastname:"Hiner"}. Now what I would like to do is be able
>to read that data back in at a later time and have applescript see it as a
>record class object. When you read the file of course you get a string -
>can you coerce this string to a record? The simple - newData as record -
>does not seem to work. Any ideas.

Why munge it into a text file?

If you store it as a property of a script object then you can load and save
the script object in a script document with very little hassle and still
have all the information contained inside the script object accessible in
an easy way. You could have a property contain a list of lists of records
contain lists of records and have is saved and read perfectly. Or would you
rather rewrite the AppleScript parser to parse the text stream representing
these objects.

When a system gives you (a kind of) object oriented persistent store its
better to make use of it than to perpetuate the "stream of chars" files as
a storage medium.


Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 11 Nov 1994 15:05:34 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         John Schettino <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Script Editor Clicking Inaccurate

>Hello,
>
>Has anyone else noticed odd behaviour with Script Editor 1.1.1 and System
>7.5? Selecting text in the editor isn't accurate and I'm getting a little
>frustrated. I have to click close to some text and cursor over to select what
>I want. Clicking is off by one or two characters and its a real problem. I
>didn't have this problem with SE 1.1.1 and System 7.1.2. I copied my prefs
>file over from the old System. Could this have something to do with this
>problem?
>

Upgraded from 7.1 to 7.5 on a centris, no problem (had AS 1.1 both before
and after)

- john

-----------------------------------------
[e-mail]             GTE Laboratories
John Schettino                Waltham, MA
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Date:         Fri, 11 Nov 1994 14:22:27 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Frank Concannon <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Idle time in FaceSpan Application

Aghhhhhhhhhhh helllllllpppppp!

        What is the problem with the following piece of script.

on idle
  pollTheNet()
  repurn delayTime
end idle

        It is part of a FaceSpan application that I have written that keep
an eye on the state of my Mac Lab. Every Xminutes ( delayTime ) it should
do "pollTheNet()" and with the result update a display on my Mac. However
what happens is that it just continually does "pollTheNet()" which dosent
do anything for my productivity as my Mac get tied up with repeated polls.
( currently I just hit a button to get the lates condition of things ).

        I am obviously missing something fairly basic here but I have been
fixated on this for so long that I can't see it any more. I have
implemented a similar procedure with an AppleScript application and that
works fine with any delay time I care to specify but I would prefer to run
a FS application.

        Is there some concideration to the way in which FS does it as
opposed to AS.

incidentally 'set idle delay of application "foo" to whatever' is not what
I want.

Frank C.
R&E
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Date:         Fri, 11 Nov 1994 15:41:51 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Troy Heninger <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Idle time in FaceSpan Application

At  2:22 PM 11/11/94 -0600, Frank Concannon wrote:
>Aghhhhhhhhhhh helllllllpppppp!
>
>        What is the problem with the following piece of script.
>
>on idle
>  pollTheNet()
>  repurn delayTime
>end idle
>
>        It is part of a FaceSpan application that I have written that keep
>an eye on the state of my Mac Lab. Every Xminutes ( delayTime ) it should
>do "pollTheNet()" and with the result update a display on my Mac. However
>what happens is that it just continually does "pollTheNet()" which dosent
>do anything for my productivity as my Mac get tied up with repeated polls.
>( currently I just hit a button to get the lates condition of things ).
>
>        I am obviously missing something fairly basic here but I have been
>fixated on this for so long that I can't see it any more. I have
>implemented a similar procedure with an AppleScript application and that
>works fine with any delay time I care to specify but I would prefer to run
>a FS application.
>

As far as I understand, the delay time has always been specified in
seconds, not minutes.  That might explain why it continually calls
pollTheNet().  Try multiplying the number by 60 and see if that helps.

 ______________________________________________________________________
| Troy Heninger    | That which you persist in doing becomes easier.   |
| [e-mail] | Its not that the nature of the thing changes, but |
|                  | your ability to do it increases. (Heber J. Grant) |
 ______________________________________________________________________
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Date:         Fri, 11 Nov 1994 15:04:08 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Greg Hiner <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: String to Record Class

>>I have an html form running on a web that writes information out to a file.
>>As you may know this information is tagged with a field name. This got me
>>thinking about applescripts record class so I munged the data it writes to
>>the file to look just like a record - example
>>{firstname:"Greg",lastname:"Hiner"}. Now what I would like to do is be able
>>to read that data back in at a later time and have applescript see it as a
>>record class object. When you read the file of course you get a string -
>>can you coerce this string to a record? The simple - newData as record -
>>does not seem to work. Any ideas.
>
>Why munge it into a text file?
>
>If you store it as a property of a script object then you can load and save
>the script object in a script document with very little hassle and still
>have all the information contained inside the script object accessible in
>an easy way. You could have a property contain a list of lists of records
>contain lists of records and have is saved and read perfectly. Or would you
>rather rewrite the AppleScript parser to parse the text stream representing
>these objects.
>
>When a system gives you (a kind of) object oriented persistent store its
>better to make use of it than to perpetuate the "stream of chars" files as
>a storage medium.
>

Well yes but let me walk through this a bit because I still think there is
a problem.

First I'm taking a long string passed by MacHTTP to my script. Something like:
 "firstname=Greg&lastname=Hiner&department=American+Studies&position=Graduat
e&interests=Space+for+something+interesting+to+say%2C+if+you+have+something+
to+say.+Blah%2C+Blah."

So first off I'm starting with a string that is being handed to me by
another program. I then munge this into a string that looks like a record
(this maybe stupid I guess but hell it was worth a shot). Now I've got
something like {firstname:"Greg", lastname:"Hiner" . . . . }. Now I could
save this string as a property but it still isn't a record.

So I guess the real basic question is can you take a string handed to you
by another program and turn that string into a record class object?

If I'm missing something real basic here don't assume I know what I'm
talking about.

Thanks,

Greg
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Date:         Fri, 11 Nov 1994 14:45:34 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Eudora script upload
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Fri, 11 Nov 94 19:36:19 GMT"

Hi folks,

>I've placed in the gaea incoming folder a script, EudoraAutoReply, to do
>automatic replies in Eudora 2.1 by checking for keywords in headers. Hope
>this is of interest. I'll appreciate any and all suggestions, comments,
>etc. If anyone can tell me how to move the insertion point in a Eudora msg
>body, I'll do an improved version right away.

This can be found in

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/scripts/EudoraAutoReply.sit.hqx

Have fun.

pf
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Date:         Fri, 11 Nov 1994 15:18:22 PST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Jokinen <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: String to Record Class

>So first off I'm starting with a string that is being handed to me by
>another program. I then munge this into a string that looks like a record
>(this maybe stupid I guess but hell it was worth a shot). Now I've got
>something like {firstname:"Greg", lastname:"Hiner" . . . . }. Now I could
>save this string as a property but it still isn't a record.

Hmm... Let me ask a stupid question:

As long as you're munging, why not munge directly to a record? Or at least a
list? I've had a lot of success with Wayne Walrath's "tokenize" osax for this
kind of munging. In fact, one of Wayne's example scripts includes a munger
for an Internet header that looked a lot like your example.

As far as writing to a file, try this:
***
set theList to {{firstname:"Greg", lastname:"Hiner"}, {firstname:"David",
lastname:"Jokinen"}}

-- open a file
write theList to theFileRef

-- take a nap then reopen the file
set theList to read theFileRef as list
***
David Jokinen
Ground Zero Software
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 11 Nov 1994 15:37:17 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Tricky problem using date comparison

>>This app has its own definition of what
>>'date' means and refuses to work.
>
>I don't have Eudora to see how it handles dates, but I once ran into
>something like this with the offset command.  Rather than break up my main
>script, I sent the job to a subroutine, which was governed by AppleScript
>alone, returning any necessary data (a boolean, in your case) to the main
>script.

After one quick test in Frontier, in which Eudora 2.0.1 sent me a message's
date as the string "Tuesday", I decided I didn't want to deal with that
(for today it's a time, for this week its a day name, otherwise its a
date/time string).  There may well be an "as ..." phrase one can use to get
a known date format from Eudora.

Maybe over the weekend, if I don't see other posts.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 11 Nov 1994 15:41:38 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Script Editor Clicking Inaccurate

>Hello,
>
>Has anyone else noticed odd behaviour with Script Editor 1.1.1 and System
>7.5? Selecting text in the editor isn't accurate and I'm getting a little
>frustrated. I have to click close to some text and cursor over to select what
>I want. Clicking is off by one or two characters and its a real problem. I
>didn't have this problem with SE 1.1.1 and System 7.1.2. I copied my prefs
>file over from the old System. Could this have something to do with this
>problem?
>

Yes...and indeed it is annoying.  It's not restricted to Script
Editor...you can induce SimpleText to do much the same thing.  It seems to
be related to heavily mixed type faces on a single line.  [I think it's
also related to Script Editor's insistence, here, on drawing the right ends
of long lines under the scroll bar...a problem shared with alternate
dictionary viewers.]

On my machine (8100), this problem predates System 7.5, by the way.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 11 Nov 1994 18:18:18 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kyraden <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Script Editor Clicking Inaccurate

 I copied my prefs
>file over from the old System. Could this have something to do with this
>problem?
>
>Dennis L. Whiteman
>THE ULTIMATE FREELANCER
>[e-mail]

ScrAp the prefs file and start up the app, it will make new ones. Those are
almost always your culprit.

| Jaeson M. Engle    ||    [e-mail]  |
         www server: http://josaiah.sewanee.edu/
        Elomense(MUD): josaiah.sewanee.edu 1999
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Date:         Fri, 11 Nov 1994 19:39:40 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Matt Brown <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Script Editor Clicking Inaccurate

At 11:45 AM 11/11/94, Dennis Whiteman wrote:
>Has anyone else noticed odd behaviour with Script Editor 1.1.1 and System
>7.5? Selecting text in the editor isn't accurate and I'm getting a little
>frustrated. I have to click close to some text and cursor over to select what
>I want. Clicking is off by one or two characters and its a real problem.

Yes, I have this same problem. The strange thing is that it just began, and
I have changed nothing in my system configuration! Any input would be
greatly appreciated.

Matt Brown                       | "Our scientific power has outrun our
                                 |    spiritual power. We have guided
[e-mail]      |      missiles and misguided men."
http://www.missouri.edu/~c624618 |        --Martin Luther King Jr.
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 11 Nov 1994 20:46:14 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         { brad brace } <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Microphone Script help needed

Can anyone provide some assistance with the following Microphone script?
I think I'm close to making this work...?

 Settings File = MicroPhone Settings
 Script Name = 12-hr
 Command Key = =
 F-Key =
 Menu = YES
 Button = NO
 Version = 4000
 System = Macintosh

This project requires a script which will upload one jpeg and one gif file
to my dial-up Internet ftp account every 12 hours. I plan to scan a dozen
or so photos at a time into my home computer (they will be consecutively
named, ie. 0001.gif, 0002.gif, 0003.gif... 0001.jpg, 0002.jpg,
0003.jpg...etc), and placed in the folder named 12-hr.  The first two of
these scans need to be renamed to 12hr.gif and 12hr.jpg prior to being
uploaded (where they will replace the identically named, previous files of
the last 12 hours). The modem then disconnects and the process repeats 12
hours later.

The imagery for this project has been fifteen years in the making, and is an
appropriate extension from the physically-published ISBN-books (see file
in my ftp-subdir). There are several thousand, sequenced, grey-scale
images that are to be electronically published/posted once every 12 hours
for years to come. Needless to say I need to automate this procedure and
try and curtail as many glitches as possible at the outset.  Any additional
assistance/ideas are gratefully appreciated.



   1    Set Variable * 12-hr from Folder Dialog "'12-hr'"
   2    Wait Until Time "'12:00'"
   3    Set Variable * count from Expression "0"
   4    While Expression "count < 12"
   5      Set Variable * filename from Expression "'0000' & count & '.jpg'"
   6      Set Variable * filename from Expression "'0000' & count & '.gif'"
   7      File * Rename "filename,'12hr.jpg'"
   8      File * Rename "filename,'12hr.gif'"
   9      Dial Service * "'netcom'"
  10      Wait for Text "'login'"
  11      Send Text String "'bbrace^M'"
  12      Wait for Text "'password:'"
  13      Send Text String "'xxxx^M'"
  14      Repeat
  15      Until Success
  16      Send File * ZMODEM Binary "'12hr.jpg'"
  17      Send File * ZMODEM Binary "'12hr.gif'"
  18      Send Text String (protected) "'mv 12hr.* ~ftp/pub/bbrace'"
  19      Send Text String (protected) "'chmod a+r ~ftp/pub/bbrace/*'"
  20      Send Text String (protected) "'lo'"
  21      File * Rename "'12hr.jpg',filename"
  22      File * Rename "'12hr.gif',filename"
  23      Set Variable * count from Expression "count +1"
  24    End While


(Does the 12hr-folder need to be in the Microphone folder?)
(Will Microphone be able to wake my Mac up every 12hrs?)

--
   { brad brace }                               [e-mail]
   ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/bbrace/bbrace.html    ~finger for pgp
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Date:         Fri, 11 Nov 1994 23:07:10 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Script Editor Clicking Inaccurate

>>Hello,
>>
>>Has anyone else noticed odd behaviour with Script Editor 1.1.1 and System
>>7.5? Selecting text in the editor isn't accurate and I'm getting a little
>>frustrated. I have to click close to some text and cursor over to select w=
hat
>>I want. Clicking is off by one or two characters and its a real problem. I
>>didn't have this problem with SE 1.1.1 and System 7.1.2. I copied my prefs
>>file over from the old System. Could this have something to do with this
>>problem?
>
>
>I reported this one to Apple by way of Adam "TidBITS" Engst and got mail
>back from an Apple test engineer asking how to repro it. I sent a really
>detailed bug report (including step by step instructions) and I think they
>then reproed it and sent it onto engineering.
>
>In my case it only happened on a Power Mac (any model) with System 7.5 with
>the WorldScript Power Adaptor extension loaded. The offset seemed related
>to the number of style changes in a line of text. Removing the WorldScript
>Power Adaptor extension solved the problem, but TextEdit is then as slow as
>hell.
>
>This is the first time I've heard of it on a 68k Mac and pre-7.5 too.

Only because my message crossed yours.  But...my message was *wrong*...only
the "dictionary under the scroll bar" behavior appears on my IIci (System
7.5).  The incorrect hit placement does not.

And I don't now remember when I first saw that on my PowerMac...it might
well have been after I switched to a beta 7.5 release.

Thanks for setting me right!

Since the problem is curable by removing the WorldScript=81 Power Adapter
extension (I haven't tried it...no reason to doubt you), it is highly
likely that it can be repaired by a replacement WorldScript=81 Power
Adapter...which might mean it happens even sooner than System Update
[next], and in any case probably not after that.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
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Date:         Sat, 12 Nov 1994 23:49:09 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Chris Burns <[e-mail]>
Subject:      SUBSCRIBE

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
NewZealand:AucklandUniversity:ComputerScience:HyperMediaUnit:ChrisBurns
Internet: [e-mail]
Phone:    [phone] x6194
Fax:      [phone]                         Async, therefore I am.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date:         Sat, 12 Nov 1994 12:16:52 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dan Hinckley <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Eudora auto-reply

>>Working on an auto-reply from Eudora & it has one bug: after completing the
>>"connect with checking" and the filtering into mailbox "test" Eudora throws
>>up an Alert: Sorry, couldn't start that application!" -192 {16.3373}. I hit
>>OK and the script completes its drill. Tried turning off the Mail Arrived
>>alerts in Eudora but no joy. Anyone tell me what's up?
>
>That's the effect I would expect from trying to start of really Power Mac
>only application on a 68K Mac.  [Well behaved Power Mac only apps have
>enough 68K code in CODE resources to put up a "you can't do that on this
>machine" sort of alert, and quit gracefully.]
>
>However, I wouldn't expect that cause in your context.
>
>   --John
>
>--
>[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA

John,

Finally solved this: Steve Dorner said to look for a resource 'eNot'
(Eudora Notify I presume) in Eudora Prefs and throw it away. It worked.
Opening eNot shows enough for a non-programmer like me to see that Eudora
had 'acquired', I guess is the word, an AS app I'd been fooling with for
Notify but which wasn't functional so Eudora couldn't open it.

Dan
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Date:         Sat, 12 Nov 1994 01:53:04 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Caleb Welton <[e-mail]>
Organization: Brown University -- Providence, Rhode Island  USA
Subject:      Backgrounding

   Okay, I saw the post from Jaeson Engle earlier on setting a script to
backdround only (so it wouldn't show up in the application menu), and in
my case it worked (in his it crashed).  But the problem was this...
   The script was a folder watcher, it monitered my drop folder to see if
anything was dropped on it, and if something was it played a sound (pretty
simple).  However.. after I backgrounded it (using resEdit to change the
Size resource to backgrounding), it then tried to do it's thing and
realized that it wasn't the front application.  It then tried to bring
itself to front, found it was background only, then just flashed on my
application menu until I shut down.  I couldn't bring it to front to quit,
and it couldn't bring itself to front to opperate because it was
background only.
   I really dislike it cluttering up my applications menu, but as it
stands I see no other real option.  Does anyone out there have any
suggestions?


  thanks,

         IN(--C--)SAN(--A--)ITY   I(--L--)S   MAND(--e--)ATOR(--B--)Y
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 12 Nov 1994 09:41:22 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Charles Bruce Pelto <[e-mail]>
Subject:      FMP Repeating Fields and Excel WorkSheets

Speaking of repeating fields...

...I'm trying to figure out how to take the data from a repeating field and
stuff it into an Excel worksheet as a row.

I am using

tell application "FileMaker Pro"
     copy cellValue of cell "Repeating Field" to theRepeatingField
end tell

-- this gets the information from the repeating field as a list


tell application "Microsoft Excel"
     make new row at row r with data theRepeatingField
end tell

-- this gets me an error that reads Excel cannot continue -10000

I've called MS tech support and they've not been able to tell me what I
should be doing.
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 12 Nov 1994 09:41:31 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Charles Bruce Pelto <[e-mail]>
Subject:      FMP & Picture Fields

How does one get a picture field out of FMP in an applescript?

I've tried this with...

tell application "FileMaker Pro"
     copy cellValue of cell "Picture" to thePicture
end tell

...which doesn't work.
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 12 Nov 1994 00:23:46 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dennis Whiteman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re(2): Script Editor Clicking Inaccurate

Actually,

I'm using a 7100/66av and just installed 7.5 a week ago. The WorldScript
Power Adaptor extension was also installed. I removed it, but haven't been
doing in scripting. I'll report back whether it fixes or doesn't fix the
problem and whether it affects any other apps. BTW, I was wondering, why do I
need the WorldScript Power Adaptor extension if I'm only using english on my
system.

Dennis L. Whiteman
THE ULTIMATE FREELANCER

 ------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, Fri, Nov 11, 1994 ------

This is the first time I've heard of it on a 68k Mac and pre-7.5 too.
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 12 Nov 1994 17:13:29 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         WalrathW <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: String to Record Class

>>So first off I'm starting with a string that is being handed to me by
>>another program. I then munge this into a string that looks like a
>record
>>(this maybe stupid I guess but hell it was worth a shot). Now I've
>got
>>something like {firstname:"Greg", lastname:"Hiner" . . . . }. Now I
>could
>>save this string as a property but it still isn't a record.
>
>Hmm... Let me ask a stupid question:
>
>As long as you're munging, why not munge directly to a record? Or at
>least a
>list? I've had a lot of success with Wayne Walrath's "tokenize" osax
>for this
>kind of munging. In fact, one of Wayne's example scripts includes a
>munger
>for an Internet header that looked a lot like your example.
>

If you would like to be able to play with lists as if they were actually
records (the big ommission in AppleScript: not being able to create records
on the fly--ie, without first defining the labels), I wrote a "search in
list" osax which will locate an item in a list and either return its index or
optionally the next item in the list (this is the behavior which is supposed
to allow you to treat lists like records). There are options for case
sensitivity, and for searching only even or only odd items in the list. I
haven't released it yet since I haven't had time to test it much yet, but if
anyone would like to test it for me, I'd be happy to send a copy.

-wayne
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 12 Nov 1994 17:23:18 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         WalrathW <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scriptable Telnet App?

>Is it possible to write a full featured terminal emulation package
>using
>this approach, with regard for terminal emulation etc ? What are the
>issues.?
>
>If this is possible I might give it a try BUT if there are obstacles I
>would like to know of them now rather than when I am down the road.

Atul's osax will provide you with the connectivity but it can't do anything
for you with respect to writing a terminal editor. I'm not convinced that
AppleScript would provide you with the kind of performance you and your users
would want in a terminal emulator.

-wayne
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 12 Nov 1994 11:31:41 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kyraden <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Gaea down?

I can't seem to be able to get into gaea since yesterday morning. The error
I get is:
"452 Can't create data socket (129.237.140.40,20): Interrupted system call."

Anyone know what's up?
TIA,

| Jaeson M. Engle    ||    [e-mail]  |
         www server: http://josaiah.sewanee.edu/
        Elomense(MUD): josaiah.sewanee.edu 1999
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 12 Nov 1994 11:28:01 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re(2): Script Editor Clicking Inaccurate

>I'm using a 7100/66av and just installed 7.5 a week ago.

Makes me feel like Hercule Poirot!

>The WorldScript
>Power Adaptor extension was also installed. I removed it, but haven't been
>doing in scripting. I'll report back whether it fixes or doesn't fix the
>problem and whether it affects any other apps.

It will but you'll have to make the judgement call on whether its worth while.

It seems also to be related to coloring the text -- do you have
multi-colored text in you AppleScript formating? If you use fewer colors
(black only)  I think that works around the problem too (but you loose all
that syntatic information).

>BTW, I was wondering, why do I
>need the WorldScript Power Adaptor extension if I'm only using english on my
>system.

Because it contains power mac code for TextEdit even if you don't use any
other scripts you will use this.

I eventually went back to a IIci for while (that and because the Power Mac
is a much better detector of memory problems than a 68k Mac -- it bombs
much sooner!) and then managed to get a Q700.

It'll be nice when AppleScript goes native!

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 12 Nov 1994 11:46:11 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Idle time in FaceSpan Application

>on idle
>  pollTheNet()
>  repurn delayTime
>end idle
>
>        It is part of a FaceSpan application that I have written that keep
>an eye on the state of my Mac Lab. Every Xminutes ( delayTime ) it should
>do "pollTheNet()" and with the result update a display on my Mac. However
>what happens is that it just continually does "pollTheNet()" which dosent
>do anything for my productivity as my Mac get tied up with repeated polls.
>( currently I just hit a button to get the lates condition of things ).
>
>        I am obviously missing something fairly basic here but I have been
>fixated on this for so long that I can't see it any more. I have
>implemented a similar procedure with an AppleScript application and that
>works fine with any delay time I care to specify but I would prefer to run
>a FS application.
>
>        Is there some concideration to the way in which FS does it as
>opposed to AS.
>
>incidentally 'set idle delay of application "foo" to whatever' is not what
>I want.

The FS idle command does not work in the same way as the AppleScript idle
(the user returns the time you want to delay to the next idle event).

It may be that that is exactly what you want -- have you set it to a value
other than the default? The default is to get an Idle event every TICK
(1/60 second) (according to p102 of Building Interfaces). Your Mac isn't
going to get time to do much else!

You control the frequency of the idle event messages by setting the idle
delay of the window or application (with the application value over riding
the window value if the window value is larger than the application value).
If you need a variable delay you could do that by setting the idle delay
property in the idle handler.

Have you tried this? Have you initialised the property when you opened the
window (say in a prepare handler or a open ... with properties)?

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 12 Nov 1994 11:54:36 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Backgrounding

>   I really dislike it cluttering up my applications menu, but as it
>stands I see no other real option.  Does anyone out there have any
>suggestions?

ScriptHider on gaea does this job.

>From the Read me:

Script Hider by Mark Aiken

What is Script Hider, in a nutshell?

    Script Hider is an invisible application that runs AppleScript (Or
other OSA-compliant language) scripts. Script Hider was written in response
to a Netter's complaint: the person in question runs a Mac lab and has a
monitoring script that gets launched at startup. Unfortunately, the
students in his lab have a habit of quitting said script, since it is
visible in the application menu and doesn't look very important. The Netter
was looking for a way to make his script invisible so people couldn't mess
with it. I got bored one afternoon, so here it is!

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 12 Nov 1994 15:19:17 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Caleb Welton <[e-mail]>
Organization: Brown University -- Providence, Rhode Island  USA
Subject:      Re: Gaea down?

In article <[e-mail]>, Macintosh
Scripting Systems <[e-mail]> wrote:

> I can't seem to be able to get into gaea since yesterday morning. The error
> I get is:
> "452 Can't create data socket (129.237.140.40,20): Interrupted system call."
>
> Anyone know what's up?
> TIA,

Nope, but I'm getting the same problem,

  Madness (Caleb Welton)
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 12 Nov 1994 12:04:24 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FMP Repeating Fields and Excel WorkSheets

>Speaking of repeating fields...
>
>...I'm trying to figure out how to take the data from a repeating field and
>stuff it into an Excel worksheet as a row.
>
>I am using
>
>tell application "FileMaker Pro"
>     copy cellValue of cell "Repeating Field" to theRepeatingField
>end tell
>
>-- this gets the information from the repeating field as a list
>
>
>tell application "Microsoft Excel"
>     make new row at row r with data theRepeatingField
>end tell
>
>-- this gets me an error that reads Excel cannot continue -10000
>
>I've called MS tech support and they've not been able to tell me what I
>should be doing.

The rows already exist.

Tell the document to

set theRange to "R1C1:R1C3"
set Range theRange to {"4", "5", "6"}

for 3 items in row 1

You can build the name with the usual string handling code:

set theRange to =AC
        "R" & topRow & "C" & topCol & ":" & "R" & bottomRow & "C" & bottomCo=
l

Make sure the data is a list you may have to munge the data you get from
=46MP to be certain this is the case.

If the data doesn't fill the range (or overfills the range) then Excel
bombs (makes debugging fun!)

Gaea has a collection of info an scripting Excel 4.0

=AC is the continuation character (option-L) for the MIME impaired

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer =20
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 12 Nov 1994 14:15:05 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Nelson Byrne <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Low class

(***********************
Chuck Pliske writes:

CP> I have been trying to use the boolean file properties but they
CP> don't seem to work:
CP>
CP> on open xyzzy
CP>         tell application "Finder"
CP>                 repeat with f in xyzzy
CP>                         if the folder of f then
CP>                         ...
CP>                         end if
CP>                 end repeat
CP>         end tell end open
CP>
CP> The dictionary sez there are a few of these: locked (which works),
CP> and alias and folder (which don't seem to work)
CP>
CP> An apple example (synchronize folders) uses the (f as text) and
CP> looks for a trailing ":" to indicate a folder, but it seems as
CP> though there is a testable property.

I too wonder why you can't say
folder of f
in his example.

I'd think you could test
class of f
but that also fails.

You *can* test
class of item f
and that works, as shown below.

I'd think, then, that you could say
(class of item f) as string
but you can't do that either.
I guess you can't coerce class names to strings, for some reason.
You *have* to test the class against the keyword, folder.
***********************)

on open xyzzy
        tell application "Finder"
                repeat with f in xyzz
                        set ans to "not "
                        if the class of item f is folder then set ans to ""
                        display dialog (f as string) & " is " & ans & "a folder.
"
                end repeat
        end tell
end open


(***********************
>>>>>[e-mail]
     Nelson Byrne
     SAIC  LOC#001/MS#C2
     10260 Campus Point Drive
     Sandy Eggo, CA 92121
>>>>>[phone]
***********************)
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Date:         Sat, 12 Nov 1994 14:23:11 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Brian Hall <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: diff of a date

>Because the 2nd & 3rd reference to "date" are within the Eudora tell, it is
>using Eudora's definition of the term 'date' and not Applescripts. I can't
>very well jump out of Eudora (end tell) because I'm right in the middle of
>a repeat loop and I have to get assign the value of diff from criteria I
>grab from Eudora. There must be some easy work around for this one. Can
>some expert enlighten me?

(A Guess) You could always wrap the diff with "Tell finder" inside of the
"Tell Eudora" bloock.

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Date:         Sat, 12 Nov 1994 15:13:03 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         MR Mac - Michael Robertson <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Creating a record with data in FileMaker

Anyone have a better way to do the following:

tell application "FileMaker Pro"
  Create Record At Window "Archiver Database" With Data {Var1,var2,var3,etc}
end tell

THe above works, but Filemaker assigns the variables to seemingly random
fields within the database. What I'd like to do is to include the field
name with the variables so the correct data always goes to the right field,
but I can't figure out the syntax for that. As it is now, if you have a
bunch of variables, Filemaker seems to do some weird things.



-- Michael


_____________________________________________________________________________
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Macintosh Business Consultant      [phone] pager
San Diego Supercomputer Ctr.       [phone] fax

Internet, America Online           [e-mail]
_____________________________________________________________________________
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Date:         Sun, 13 Nov 1994 10:28:09 +1100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jeremy Peter Howard <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: diff of a date
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]> from "Brian
              Hall" at Nov 12, 94 02:23:11 pm

>
> >Because the 2nd & 3rd reference to "date" are within the Eudora tell, it is
> >using Eudora's definition of the term 'date' and not Applescripts. I can't
> >very well jump out of Eudora (end tell) because I'm right in the middle of
> >a repeat loop and I have to get assign the value of diff from criteria I
> >grab from Eudora. There must be some easy work around for this one. Can
> >some expert enlighten me?
>
> (A Guess) You could always wrap the diff with "Tell finder" inside of the
> "Tell Eudora" bloock.
>
'Tell me to...'

"Me" refers to the current script application. If it's a compiled script I think
 it
refers to the front application (ie. the Script Editor if you click the
'Run' button). I'm not sure about this though.

Hope this helps,


/==============================\
| Jeremy P. Howard              |       "Logic must take care of itself."
| [e-mail]  |        Ludwig Wittgenstein
\==============================/         Tractatus Logico-Philisophicus
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 13 Nov 1994 10:33:36 +1100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jeremy Peter Howard <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FMP Repeating Fields and Excel WorkSheets
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]> from "Kevin
              Purcell" at Nov 12, 94 12:04:24 pm

>
> >Speaking of repeating fields...
> >
> >...I'm trying to figure out how to take the data from a repeating field and
> >stuff it into an Excel worksheet as a row.
> >
> >I am using
> >
> >tell application "FileMaker Pro"
> >     copy cellValue of cell "Repeating Field" to theRepeatingField
> >end tell
> >
> >-- this gets the information from the repeating field as a list
> >
> >
> >tell application "Microsoft Excel"
> >     make new row at row r with data theRepeatingField
> >end tell
> >
> >-- this gets me an error that reads Excel cannot continue -10000
> >
> >I've called MS tech support and they've not been able to tell me what I
> >should be doing.
>
> The rows already exist.
>
> Tell the document to
>
> set theRange to "R1C1:R1C3"
> set Range theRange to {"4", "5", "6"}
>
> for 3 items in row 1
>
> You can build the name with the usual string handling code:
>
> set theRange to =AC
>         "R" & topRow & "C" & topCol & ":" & "R" & bottomRow & "C" & bottomCo=
> l
>
> Make sure the data is a list you may have to munge the data you get from
> =46MP to be certain this is the case.
>
> If the data doesn't fill the range (or overfills the range) then Excel
> bombs (makes debugging fun!)
>
Actually, I think it's OK to overfill a range. I find it easiest to write a
simple "fillRange" handler, which takes the Excel range name and list data
as two parameters. It would then find the number of rows, the count of the
list, and add null string list items to fill up the list (set end of
theList to "").

Hope this helps,


/==============================\
| Jeremy P. Howard              |       "Logic must take care of itself."
| [e-mail]  |        Ludwig Wittgenstein
\==============================/         Tractatus Logico-Philisophicus
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 13 Nov 1994 10:59:10 +1100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jeremy Peter Howard <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: drag and drop application for changing creator code
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]> from "Kevin
              Purcell" at Nov 10, 94 02:44:16 pm

>
> >Hi everyone,
> >        I was interested in the question about how to write a script that
> >would change a file's creator code, but I do that a lot. I'd like to make a
> >script-application onto which I can drop files to change their creator
> >codes, but nothing I do seems to produce the icon with the downward arrow
> >that the drop-compatible app should have (my app also doesn't allow me to
> >drop on it). What am I doing wrong? I know that this is a stupid question,
> >but I haven't received the Tao of AppleScript yet.-:)
> >        Attached is my script.
> >        Many thanks,
> >        Marc
> >
> >on run
> >        tell application "Finder"
> >                activate
> >                set theFile to selection
> >                set file type of file theFile to "TEXT"
> >                set creator type of file theFile to "R*ch"
> >        end tell
> >end run

If you're doing this as more as just an exercise, you might find
'FileTyper' helpful.

It includes a program called 'Make AutoTyper', which allows you to create
droplets that change any Finder info to anything else, including seaching
through subfolders of a dropped folder.

I've made an AutoTyper droplet that converts a TeachText file to a BBEdit
file, for example.

Hope this helps,


/==============================\
| Jeremy P. Howard              |       "Logic must take care of itself."
| [e-mail]  |        Ludwig Wittgenstein
\==============================/         Tractatus Logico-Philisophicus
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 13 Nov 1994 11:05:29 +1100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jeremy Peter Howard <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScripts controlling AppleScripts
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]> from "Mark
              Hadfield" at Nov 10, 94 09:02:34 am

>
> >>
> >> I'm trying to make one AppleScript send commands to another AppleScript,
> >> without success. To test the possibility of doing this, I have created two
> >> AppleScript applications, Master and Slave.
> >>
> >> Master's script:
> >>
> >> tell application "Slave"
> >>         run
> >>         doOrder("This is a test.")
> >> end tell
> >>
> >>
> >> Slave's script:
> >>
> >> on doOrder(theText)
> >>         display dialog theText
> >> end doOrder
> >>
> >>
> >> When I run Master, it apparently activates Slave, but all I get is a
> >> spinning ball cursor and, eventually, a timeout error from Slave. If I
> >> leave the "run" command out of Master's script or replace "run" with an
> >> "activate" command, it does not appear to activate Slave.
>
>  Jeremy P. Howard responded:
> >Slave must be saved as 'stay-open'. It doesn't need a run command, but you
> >do have to have it running to use it (open it with the Scriptable Finder,
> >eg). Other than that, this should be fine.
>
> Jeremy is right with one small addendum:  you do not have to have it
> running to for it to work.  As long as the slave applet is saved as
> 'stay-open'  when you issue it a command it will launch and then perform
> the command.  No need to launch it from the scriptable finder.  Now if the
> slave applet was on a different Mac on the network it would need to be
> running to receive the command...
>
Oops... that's what I meant! (Sorry). I'm in network mode after just
completing a remote printing application, which called QuicKeys, remote
opens and prints, and all kinds of other stuff, over a network.

If anyone else is doing this kind of stuff, I strongly suggest you get
Timbuktu, which displays the remote computers screen on your monitor in a
window), and allows you to control it!


/==============================\
| Jeremy P. Howard              |       "Logic must take care of itself."
| [e-mail]  |        Ludwig Wittgenstein
\==============================/         Tractatus Logico-Philisophicus
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 12 Nov 1994 18:40:54 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Brian Hall <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Script Editor Clicking Inaccurate

>In my case it only happened on a Power Mac (any model) with System 7.5 with
>the WorldScript Power Adaptor extension loaded. The offset seemed related
>to the number of style changes in a line of text. Removing the WorldScript
>Power Adaptor extension solved the problem, but TextEdit is then as slow as
>hell.

For what its worth, I saw the same behaviour on a PowerMac that we were
using for demo purposes at MacWorld.

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=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 13 Nov 1994 04:23:11 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         WalrathW <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Creating a record with data in FileMaker

> Anyone have a better way to do the following:
>
> tell application "FileMaker Pro"
>   Create Record At Window "Archiver Database" With Data
{Var1,var2,var3,etc}
> end tell
>
> THe above works, but Filemaker assigns the variables to seemingly random

It's not really random, it assigns them in the order that the fields were
originally created (tab order and placement on the template makes no
difference).

-wayne
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 13 Nov 1994 01:19:04 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "rD>" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      My first question...

Hi all.  I am brand new to the list and to AppleScript.
Hope you don't mind if I start right off with a scripting question.

Here is my script:
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
global whatsNext
on run
        execute FKEY 3
        tell application "KQ Apple Events"
                DoScript =AC
                        "Open \"Macintosh HD:Picture 1\"
                Wait 12 seconds
                Menu \"Page Setup=8A\"
                Key \"8\"
                Key \"0\"
                Key Return
                Menu \"Print One Copy\"
                Menu \"Close\"
                Wait 15 seconds
                Application \"Finder\""
        end tell
end
on idle
        if whatsNext is "setup" then
                set whatsNext to "pauseDone"
                return (60 * 0.5)
        else
                doRest()
        end if
end idle
on doRest()
        moveFile "Macintosh HD:Picture 1"
        emptyTrash
end doRest
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
What I am attempting here is fairly clear with the script I hope.
I want a screen shot (am running video input on screen), I want to print
that screenshot, and then delete that file and have the script start over.
I want this to run by itself, all day.  The idea is to have the computer
surveillancing a place with the video in, and provide a print every few
minutes or so(can I control the time here?).


The global and the _on idle_ commands I got from someone's advice.
I have the TAO... and it does not cover these functions, yet in a FAQ I
read that this book includes the full language.  Apparently not.
I also read that AS has some stuff that is hard to find out about!

This script works, but I don't know where to make the repeat loop.
I have a feeling that the whole thing could be rewritten and made better,
but this is my first (ambitious) script.

Any help, suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

-r

___________________________________________________________________
Do not be greedy, lustful and overly desirous. Be moderate in your needs
and be content once you reach your goal.
        --Ni, Hua Ching

<robert denton>
<univ. of illinois, chicago>
<[e-mail]>
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 12 Nov 1994 22:21:44 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 10 Nov 1994 to 11 Nov 1994

>Yeah, Jon, Get a life! ....  ;-)

I've got one.  I just spent opening day at Squaw Valley amidst a very nice
snowstorm and plenty of powder.  It's about the only pasttime better than
hacking.  ;)

Jon
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 13 Nov 1994 00:30:21 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Getting bounds of desktop

At 09:21 10/17/94 (far too long ago), Preston Holmes wrote:

>I would like to know if it is possible to get the current desktop size
>using the scriptable finder.  The ultimate goal is to get the screen size.
>Now I know of several great screen osax that could do this but I would like
>to have a script that is portable enough to say "requires sys7.5"  Asking
>non-scripters to go and get large osax packages just for one osax is too
>much for the non-scripter (IMHO).

I don't remember whether an answer appeared.  Here's one way:

tell application "Finder"
    bounds of container window of desktop
end tell


On my machine, this returns {0, 20, 832, 624}

You would want to check out what it does on a multiple-monitor machine.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 13 Nov 1994 16:11:32 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Peter van Aarle <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Tricky problem using date comparison

>Date:    Fri, 11 Nov 1994 15:37:17 -0800
>From:    "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: Tricky problem using date comparison
>
>>>This app has its own definition of what
>>>'date' means and refuses to work.
>>
>>I don't have Eudora to see how it handles dates, but I once ran into
>>something like this with the offset command.  Rather than break up my main
>>script, I sent the job to a subroutine, which was governed by AppleScript
>>alone, returning any necessary data (a boolean, in your case) to the main
>>script.
>
>After one quick test in Frontier, in which Eudora 2.0.1 sent me a message's
>date as the string "Tuesday", I decided I didn't want to deal with that
>(for today it's a time, for this week its a day name, otherwise its a
>date/time string).  There may well be an "as ..." phrase one can use to get
>a known date format from Eudora.
>
John, my AppleScripting is up to this yet, but I CAN tell you that the way
of formatting the message date in Eudora 2.1 is dependent on the settings.
When you set Eudora to 'Fixed' date setting in the 'Fonts & Display'
setting, the data will be a normal format (i.e. mm/dd/yy or something).
The way it is set in your copy is the setting called 'Age-sensitive' under
the 'Fonts & Display' setting. This is probably VERY difficult to script
because not only does the date-format change depending on the age of the
message, but the user can also CHANGE the way theis aging works!

  Peter van Aarle ([e-mail])
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 13 Nov 1994 10:15:18 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Hadfield <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Creating a record with data in FileMaker

>Anyone have a better way to do the following:
>
>tell application "FileMaker Pro"
>  Create Record At Window "Archiver Database" With Data {Var1,var2,var3,etc}
>end tell
>
>THe above works, but Filemaker assigns the variables to seemingly random
>fields within the database. What I'd like to do is to include the field
>name with the variables so the correct data always goes to the right field,
>but I can't figure out the syntax for that. As it is now, if you have a
>bunch of variables, Filemaker seems to do some weird things.

>Michael Robertson - MR Mac         [phone] office
>Macintosh Business Consultant      [phone] pager
>San Diego Supercomputer Ctr.       [phone] fax
>
>Internet, America Online           [e-mail]
>_____________________________________________________________________________

Try this:

Tell application "Filemaker Pro"
Create new record at database "Archiver Database"
set currentRecord to current record of database "Archiver Database"
set cell "Name" of currentRecord to "Mark"
set cell "Address" of currentRecord to "[e-mail]"
.
.
.
end tell

That should do it I hope!

Mark Hadfield
[e-mail]
The Hospital For Sick Children
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 13 Nov 1994 10:16:56 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Stephen E. Collins" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Creating a record with data in FileMaker

In message <[e-mail]> Macintosh Scripting
Systems writes:
> >Anyone have a better way to do the following:
> >
> >tell application "FileMaker Pro"
> >  Create Record At Window "Archiver Database" With Data {Var1,var2,var3,etc}
> >end tell
> >
> >THe above works, but Filemaker assigns the variables to seemingly random
> >fields within the database.
>
> Try this:
>
> Tell application "Filemaker Pro"
> Create new record at database "Archiver Database"
> set currentRecord to current record of database "Archiver Database"
> set cell "Name" of currentRecord to "Mark"
> set cell "Address" of currentRecord to "[e-mail]"

This method works, but it is so slow it is unusable.  On my Powerbook 165c,
this took about five seconds PER CELL.  Is there something else one
can do to improve the execution speed?


Stephen E. Collins   <URL:http://www.micro.umn.edu/staff/sec>
University of Minnesota             [e-mail]
Distributed Computing Services   [phone] Fax: [phone]

            Remember to give back to the net.
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 13 Nov 1994 12:09:34 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Creating a record with data in FileMaker
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Stephen E. Collins" at Nov 13, 94 10:16:56 am

--Stephen E. Collins wrote:
>
>This method works, but it is so slow it is unusable.  On my Powerbook 165c,
>this took about five seconds PER CELL.  Is there something else one
>can do to improve the execution speed?

    Which version of FMP are you using. 2.1v3 is much faster at handling
Apple Event calls than previous versions. I'm pretty sure it's a free
upgrade from any version of 2.0.

-Hades
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 13 Nov 1994 09:57:14 PST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Jokinen <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Creating a record with data in FileMaker

>> Anyone have a better way to do the following:
>>
>> tell application "FileMaker Pro"
>>   Create Record At Window "Archiver Database" With Data
{Var1,var2,var3,etc}
>> end tell
>>
>> THe above works, but Filemaker assigns the variables to seemingly random

>It's not really random, it assigns them in the order that the fields were
>originally created (tab order and placement on the template makes no
>difference).

Wayne's right. Open your Define Fields dialog and set the popup menu in the
upper-right corner to read "creation order." That's the order you have to
deal with. Often, this order is a mess if you've been developing the database
over a long time. There is no easy fix. Either duplicate, rename and delete
the fields until they make sense, or start over from scratch and re-import
the data.

Hint: If you "tell" Layout 0, you can deal with the raw, unformatted data
from every field in the database. This is usually what you want. For
instance, here's the masochist's way to duplicate the current record:
***
tell application "FileMaker Pro"
    tell Layout 0 of Database "FooBar"
        get every Cell
        Create New Record With Data result
    end tell
end tell
***
David Jokinen
Ground Zero Software
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 13 Nov 1994 13:35:28 EST
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=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 12 Nov 1994 21:20:30 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dennis Whiteman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Creating a record with data in FileMaker

If you specify Layout 0 as your object containment the fields will be filled
in creation order, i.e., the oldest through the newest. This is somewhat
complicated by having calculated fields between values to be filled, but I've
had some success specifying those as "". Another reason why I've started
leaving a few undefined data fields (for future uses) before I add
calculation fields.

Dennis L. Whiteman
THE ULTIMATE FREELANCER

 ------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, Sat, Nov 12, 1994 ------

Anyone have a better way to do the following:

tell application "FileMaker Pro"
  Create Record At Window "Archiver Database" With Data {Var1,var2,var3,etc}
end tell

THe above works, but Filemaker assigns the variables to seemingly random
fields within the database. What I'd like to do is to include the field
name with the variables so the correct data always goes to the right field,
but I can't figure out the syntax for that. As it is now, if you have a
bunch of variables, Filemaker seems to do some weird things.



-- Michael
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 12 Nov 1994 21:22:27 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dennis Whiteman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re(2): diff of a date

"Me" does refer to the script that's running whether its a compiled script,
applet or droplet.

Dennis L. Whiteman
THE ULTIMATE FREELANCER

 ------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, Sat, Nov 12, 1994 ------

"Me" refers to the current script application. If it's a compiled script I
think
 it
refers to the front application (ie. the Script Editor if you click the
'Run' button). I'm not sure about this though.
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 13 Nov 1994 13:24:03 -0600
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Date:         Sun, 13 Nov 1994 11:45:06 -0800
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Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kee Nethery <[e-mail]>
Subject:      I see troubles

did the macscripting mailing list just get subscribed to the nisus mailing list?
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=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 13 Nov 1994 11:53:52 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mike Cohen <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Creating a record with data in FileMaker

At 9:57 AM 11/13/94, David Jokinen wrote:
>>> Anyone have a better way to do the following:
>>>
>>> tell application "FileMaker Pro"
>>>   Create Record At Window "Archiver Database" With Data
>{Var1,var2,var3,etc}
>>> end tell
>>>
>>> THe above works, but Filemaker assigns the variables to seemingly random
>
>>It's not really random, it assigns them in the order that the fields were
>>originally created (tab order and placement on the template makes no
>>difference).
>
>Wayne's right. Open your Define Fields dialog and set the popup menu in the
>upper-right corner to read "creation order." That's the order you have to
>deal with. Often, this order is a mess if you've been developing the database
>over a long time. There is no easy fix. Either duplicate, rename and delete
>the fields until they make sense, or start over from scratch and re-import
>the data.
>
I thought it used "custom order", which defaults to the same as "creation
order", although I haven't tried changing that to see if it works.

_______________________________________________________________
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=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 13 Nov 1994 14:12:25 CST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Scott Guthery <[e-mail]>
Subject:      FMP and MacHTTPD

Has anybody written a hamster to connect MacHTTPD to FileMaker Pro for doing
something simple like returning records with a field that contains and entry
in a HTML form?
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 13 Nov 1994 14:16:16 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Stephen E. Collins" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: I see troubles

In message <[e-mail]> Kee Nethery:
> did the entire macscripting mailing list just get subscribed to the
> nisus mailing list?
>
> >You have been added to the Nisus mailing list. If you want to
> >unsubscribe in the future, send the message

It would so appear.  I hope this is an error on someone's part, and that
it gets corrected VERY soon.

Stephen E. Collins   <URL:http://www.micro.umn.edu/staff/sec>
University of Minnesota             [e-mail]
Distributed Computing Services   [phone] Fax: [phone]

            Remember to give back to the net.
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 13 Nov 1994 14:26:02 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Stephen E. Collins" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FMP and MacHTTPD

In message <[e-mail]> Macintosh Scripting
Systems writes:
> Has anybody written a hamster to connect MacHTTPD to FileMaker Pro for doing
> something simple like returning records with a field that contains and entry
> in a HTML form?

I'm working on such a critter.  You can find a beta version on the
Web66 SharePages: http://web66.coled.umn.edu/

This has also been a topic of recent discussion on the MacHTTP mailing
list.  You might want to subscribe to it and browse through the
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Date:         Mon, 14 Nov 1994 10:25:00 +1300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: "Get Terminology" event question

Jon Pugh <[e-mail]> taps out:

>Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>>I don't think I've got a proper understanding of how the AppleScript
>>"get terminology" event is supposed to work. On the AppleScript 1.1 CD, there
>>is a document called "AppleScript Suite". This describes the get terminology
>>event, but doesn't say that there are any parameters for it. So how do you
>>specify what language code and script code you want the terminology for?
>
>The direct parameter is a long which describes what language you want the
>terminology in.  Basically, it is simply the script code shifted left 8
>bits with the country code added into the low byte.  This is,
>coincidentally, the resource id of the aete that you want.

Thanks, Jon! That sounds like just what I need!

To the person who suggested I use the ASDebugging.OSAGetAppTerminology call:
I would rather not, as I imagine this would force me to follow the AppleScript
behaviour of launching the application to get its terminology, if the 'scsz'
resource setting demands this. I'd rather put the choice of whether to do this
in the hands of the scriptor.

Of course, this suggests that I should provide some way of letting the scriptor
know that launching the application to get its terminology would be the
preferred thing to do...

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Computer Services Dept                     fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
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Date:         Sun, 13 Nov 1994 17:43:09 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Madness Caleb Welton <[e-mail]>
Organization: Brown University -- Providence, Rhode Island  USA
Subject:      Creating a Log?

  I appologise if this is perhaps a stupid question.  But is there anyway
applescript (or anything else for that matter), could be used to create a
form of log for Appleshare?  All it would really need to be able to do is
monitor to see if and what things are being copied, then save that
information to a file.  It seems like it _should_ be possible on some
level, Appleshare itself needs to be recieving and sending various calls,
yes?  And all you'd need to do is find out what they are...   But then,
I'm new to applescript, and don't yet have a feel for it's limitations.
Any comments?  Am I totally crazy?

--Madness (Caleb Welton)
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Date:         Sun, 13 Nov 1994 17:29:36 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Tricky problem using date comparison

At 07:11 11/13/94, Peter van Aarle wrote:
>John, my AppleScripting is up to this yet, but I CAN tell you that the way
>of formatting the message date in Eudora 2.1 is dependent on the settings.
>When you set Eudora to 'Fixed' date setting in the 'Fonts & Display'
>setting, the data will be a normal format (i.e. mm/dd/yy or something).
>The way it is set in your copy is the setting called 'Age-sensitive' under
>the 'Fonts & Display' setting. This is probably VERY difficult to script
>because not only does the date-format change depending on the age of the
>message, but the user can also CHANGE the way theis aging works!

Ah...of course.

I haven't been scripting Eudora much (I have ONE script in Eudora's folder
for OSA Menu, which queues a message to my provider's robot asking for
month-to-date usage).

Until USWest figures out how to connect (206)437 reliably all 12
(straight-line, more like 16 as the cable runs) miles to Port Townsend, I
have little incentive to script Eudora, since it takes several retries on
average to establish a good connection greater than 2400 baud.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
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Date:         Sun, 13 Nov 1994 22:33:52 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: "Get Terminology" event question

>Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>To the person who suggested I use the ASDebugging.OSAGetAppTerminology call:

It is important for anyone using this call to remember that it can return a
purgeable handle if the aete resource is purgeable.  In the short term aete
resources shouldn't be marked purgeable but many are (Hypercard and
PhotoFlash both are).  Some future release of AppleScript might fix this.

Jon
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Date:         Sun, 13 Nov 1994 23:07:40 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Alex L. Bangs" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Lessons Learned--So Far

I've been working with AppleScript for just a little while, but I had some
observations that I've made so far which might be useful to other new
folks. Here goes:

* I started with the Complete AppleScript Handbook...its an ok book, has
some good samples, but it really has a crappy index.

* I bought the AppleScript SDK from APDA--If you don't have it and wonder
what's in it, here's what you get for $200 (BTW, I've seen something for
$150 from MacWarehouse. Not sure what it is, but I'd guess it's different):
 - all of the Apple language manuals, including the ones for scripting
additions and the finder
 - FaceSpan software and manual; has to do with interfaces, I know little
else (although I know others here are doing FaceSpan stuff)
 - Scriptable finder (if you don't already have Sys 7.5)
 - a CD ROM with samples plus some relevant develop articles and the two
volumes of Inside Mac related to AppleScript (Component Manager and IAC)
 - most importantly (for me), a redistribution license for packaging
AppleScript with a product you intend to distribute. This is easily worth
the $200, if you want to distribute a product w/AppleScript, inside or
outside your company. This license does not include the scriptable finder,
unfortunately (as far as I can tell from reading it).

* BEWARE WORKING WITH EXCEL 4 AND 5 TOGETHER WITH APPLESCRIPT!
I've been developing AppleScripts for use with a custom C++ application and
Excel 4 & 5. Excel 5 has a very different aete from Excel 4, and it has
some nasty tricks. First, it appears to have its own "Open" and "Activate"
events. Excel 4 has the standard "open" event, but it is different from the
Excel 5 "Open" event, and AppleScript cannot tell the difference since it
caches the aete and gets confused about which app it is talking to. I ended
up with three choices on dealing with this:
 - develop the scripts with Excel 4 only, don't allow the distribution
version of the script to get exposed to Excel 5. It will work with Excel 5,
but once exposed, AppleScript will change it to the new format which Excel
4 will no longer understand.
 - use the activate command outside of the 'tell Excel' loop, and tell
Excel to open its own files via Execute "OPEN()". This is the route I have
chosen, since I want to be able to flip back and forth between versions of
Excel while developing.
 - call the open appleevent by using the literal syntax in AppleScript.
This involves using << >> to do something, but I haven't gotten the details
on that yet. I may switch to using that for the open call, since it turns
out that OPEN() and AppleScript's open don't behave the same in Excel.

Just takes seeing how Microsoft did this to remind me how much of a pain in
the butt their products are to work with.

* I've been running the scripts I use directly from my app using OSAExecute
and OSAExecuteEvent (the latter lets me run a script and send an open
event, so I can pass in a file). Now we all know that AppleScript has this
nice little way of asking where an app is if you move the script to another
machine, and it stores this somewhere or another. Unfortunately, if you run
the script directly yourself, it has no way to save this information. So I
now save the script after execution and it now is able to properly cache
and save the data.

Happy Scripting,

Alex L. Bangs
[e-mail]/work [phone]/home [phone]
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Date:         Mon, 14 Nov 1994 01:54:13 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Glenn L. Austin" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Getting bounds of desktop

John W. Baxter wrote:
>At 09:21 10/17/94 (far too long ago), Preston Holmes wrote:
>>I would like to know if it is possible to get the current desktop size
>>using the scriptable finder.  The ultimate goal is to get the screen size.
>>Now I know of several great screen osax that could do this but I would like
>>to have a script that is portable enough to say "requires sys7.5"  Asking
>>non-scripters to go and get large osax packages just for one osax is too
>>much for the non-scripter (IMHO).
>
>I don't remember whether an answer appeared.  Here's one way:
>
>tell application "Finder"
>    bounds of container window of desktop
>end tell
>
>
>On my machine, this returns {0, 20, 832, 624}
>
>You would want to check out what it does on a multiple-monitor machine.

Two monitor machine, left 640x480 menubar, right 640x480

reply:
{0, 0, 1280, 480}

No list of monitors, just the bounds of the GrayRgn.

//
// Glenn L. Austin
// Computer Wizard and Racing Car Driver
// Internet:  [e-mail]
//
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Date:         Mon, 14 Nov 1994 10:53:48 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         WalrathW <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: "Get Terminology" event question

> It is important for anyone using this call to remember that it can return a
> purgeable handle if the aete resource is purgeable.  In the short term aete
> resources shouldn't be marked purgeable but many are (Hypercard and
> PhotoFlash both are).  Some future release of AppleScript might fix this.

While on the subject, I noticed something I thought was kind of odd over the
weekend. I have a background only scriptable app. I was sending it some
events from a script running on another machine across the network, and at
the same time snooping through the app's memory with Zone Ranger. All of a
sudden I noticed a Handle with my aete resource in it loaded into my Heap. I
don't support the get terminology event though. Is it possible that the
System, or the AppleEvent manager loaded this thing into MY heap? After that
I went and marked the thing purgeable since if it was going to be happening
on a regular basis, without me knowing, I didn't want it hanging around when
I needed the memory for something else. But Jon is saying I shouldn't mark it
purgeable.

What's the story here?

  -wayne
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Date:         Mon, 14 Nov 1994 10:57:21 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         WalrathW <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Creating an (AppleShare) Log?

>   I appologise if this is perhaps a stupid question.  But is there anyway
> applescript (or anything else for that matter), could be used to create a
> form of log for Appleshare?  All it would really need to be able to do is
> monitor to see if and what things are being copied, then save that
> information to a file.  It seems like it _should_ be possible on some
> level, Appleshare itself needs to be recieving and sending various calls,
> yes?  And all you'd need to do is find out what they are...   But then,
> I'm new to applescript, and don't yet have a feel for it's limitations.
> Any comments?  Am I totally crazy?

APDA sells an API for monitoring and controlling AppleShare activity.

  -wayne
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Date:         Mon, 14 Nov 1994 11:19:49 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         WalrathW <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Get a life, Jon.

> >Yeah, Jon, Get a life! ....  ;-)
>
> I've got one.  I just spent opening day at Squaw Valley amidst a very nice
> snowstorm and plenty of powder.  It's about the only pasttime better than
> hacking.  ;)

But you undoubtedly took your PB with you, didn't you, just in case you
couldn't find any action in the bars!  ;-)  I remember an old message you
sent where you were sitting in a bar watching the SuperBowl and working on
your popup menu XCMD....  I've hacked on planes, in parks, and moving
vehicles (when someone else was driving), but not yet in a bar. That would
surely blow my cover! :)

-wayne
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Date:         Mon, 14 Nov 1994 05:25:52 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kiran Wagle <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Tricky problem using date comparison

Michael Robertson <[e-mail]> writes:

MR> This does not work:
MR> tell application "Eudora"
MR>     set TheDate to date of message x of mailbox boxToCheck of mail folder ""

MR> Because the 2nd & 3rd reference to "date" are within the Eudora tell, it is
MR> using Eudora's definition of the term 'date' and not Applescripts.

On 11/13/94, Peter van Aarle opined:

Pv> When you set Eudora to 'Fixed' date setting in the 'Fonts & Display'
Pv> setting, the data will be a normal format (i.e. mm/dd/yy or something).
Pv> The way it is set in your copy is the setting called 'Age-sensitive' under
Pv> the 'Fonts & Display' setting. This is probably VERY difficult to script

The dictionary says that the property "date" of class "message" is "the
date as appearing in the message summary".  (And this is correct.)

In order to get the date in the form the sender's mailer sent, you have to

get field "date:" of message <mumble>

and hope it's an RFC 822 compliant format.

This *is* a bit weird when dates are age-sensitive.

~ Kiran

--
1628 5th St NW Washington DC 20001 [phone]/3157 <[e-mail]>
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Date:         Mon, 14 Nov 1994 08:54:18 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Creating a record with data in FileMaker
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Mike Cohen" at Nov 13, 94 11:53:52 am

--Mike Cohen wrote:
>
>I thought it used "custom order", which defaults to the same as "creation
>order", although I haven't tried changing that to see if it works.

    The only time custom order and creation order are the same is when
you move a field in the field definitions dialog box and then move it
back to its original position.

-Hades
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Date:         Mon, 14 Nov 1994 08:57:44 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Deirdre Saoirse-Savino <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Accessing the OSA from C

OK, I see the book on how to do the OSACompile and all that.

How do I check if these traps are available? There doesn't seem to be a
Gestalt selector for same, nor can I find a way of checking directly.

_Deirdre
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There are 33 messages totalling 1205 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. GNU diff droplet
  2. Scripting WindowShade (2)
  3. "Get Terminology" event question
  4. Multiple source files?
  5. Tricky problem using date comparison (5)
  6. OSAXen DB (2)
  7. MacPGP scripts? (2)
  8. String to Record Class (5)
  9. Script Editor Clicking Inaccurate (6)
 10. Eudora "SaveAs" and other menues
 11. MACSCRPT Digest - 9 Nov 1994 to 10 Nov 1994
 12. Eudora script upload (2)
 13. Scriptable Telnet App?
 14. Idle time in FaceSpan Application (2)
 15. Microphone Script help needed

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Date:    Fri, 11 Nov 1994 01:13:51 -0500
From:    Tom Pollard <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: GNU diff droplet

Fred Terry <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Tom Pollard has contributed a GNU diff droplet script that I have moved into
>
> ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/scripts/GNU_diff.sit.hqx
>
[...]
> file-comparison utility. Be sure to read the Read Me file.

Since it's not archived on gaea separately, here's a copy of the Read
Me, to give you a better idea of whether this package is going to be
useful to you or not.  I've been using it in more or less its present
form for the last six or seven months, now.

Cheers,

Tom


-----------------------------------------
AppleScript/QuicKeys droplet for GNU diff
-----------------------------------------

"GNU diff" is an AppleScript droplet that acts as a "user-friendly"
wrapper for "diff", the Unix file-comparison utility.  QuicKeys 3.0
is used to drive the actual application.  A number of Applescript
extensions are used, in particular the "Regular Expressions" and "Choose
Files & Folders" extensions from Mark Alldritt's Script Tools Suite.

--- Installation

To use "GNU Diff", it's only necessary that the "GNU Diff" droplet is in
the same folder as the rsrcs folder, which holds the "diff" application,
the dialog window definition and the on-line help file.  Also, make sure
that you've installed required scripting additions.  The Script Tools
Suite is available from many places, including the info-mac archives and
the scripting archives at 'gaea.kgs.ukans.edu'.  You'll probably want to
put an alias of the GNU diff droplet somewhere where it's easy to drop
files on it.

--- Why?

I put this together because I know of no other drop-launchable
application that reports the differences between two files or two
folders.  The available shareware/freeware utilities (Compare-0.9,
Compare-All, TCXDiff) all have interfaces that are awkward to use for
multiple file comparisons.  Also, I like and understand the format in
which "diff" reports its results, but none of the other applications
supports this.

--- Description

"Diff" is a simple port of the corresponding Gnu utility to the Mac by
Timothy Murphy of Trinity College Dublin <[e-mail]>; it and its
source code are ftpable from ftp.maths.tcd.ie.  It's based on version
2.0 of "diff".  While functional, its only user interface is
unfortunately the Think C console i/o dialog. :-(  This means, for
instance, that the input file names have to be typed in to the dialog
window, with full path names if they're in a different directory from
the application!

My Applescript droplet hides this abomination by offering a drop-launch
interface and a (more) friendly dialog for specifying the input and
output files and the command line options.  QuicKeys is used to launch
the actual application and paste in the command-line arguments that were
prepared by Applescript.  I think it's a good example of how the two
systems can be used together to script otherwise unscriptable apps.

Although it could be improved, it's now possible to get the diffs of two
files (a control file and a comparison file) by dropping them on the
"GNU diffs" app.  There's an option to switch the order of the file
arguments; this is useful since you don't have any control of the order
in which the files are given to the app when drop-launching.  I haven't
tested all of the many features of the underlying Unix application, but
those I have tried seem to do what you'd expect them to.

Particularly nice is the ability to drag two folders onto the droplet
and get comparisons of all matching files in the two.

Online help for the diff command-line options is provided by opening a
QuicKeys text editor window with the help file, taken largely from the
info file distributed with the current GNU version of diff.  Additional
documentation for the app is available in the included copy of the Sun
man pages for diff (sorry if these don't correspond exactly to the
version that Timothy Murphy ported).

--- Wishlist

Right now, the dialog resource is kept in a separate file.  It would be
better to put it directly into the Applescript droplet, but the Script
Editor seems to destroy it if you make and save any changes to the script.
Second, it would be nice to offer a more user-friendly way of choosing
command-line options, such as a big panel of buttons or a list dialog.
Finally, I'd prefer to avoid the QuicKey'ing the file i/o dialog
altogether, but there's no good way to specify the output file for diff using
only QuicKeys and Applescript (suggestions?).

--- Disclaimer

While it's reasonably bomb-proof on my own system, a Q610 running system
7.1 with Applescript 1.1 and QuicKeys 3.0, there can't be any guarantees
about its stability on any other machine.  Any suggestions, gripes and
especially improvements will be gratefully accepted.

I have a similar droplet for the complementary application, 'patch', but
it still hasn't been updated to work under AppleScript 1.1.  It wouldn't
take more than a morning, but since it hasn't turned out to be all
that important for me, it hasn't been done yet.  If anyone wants it in
its current form, they're welcome to it.

My meager contributions to this package are public domain.  "Diff" is,
in principle, "Free Software", and Mark Alldritt's scripting additions
are freely useable but copyrighted (right?).

Hope this is useful to someone besides me :-)

Tom Pollard
Nov 5, 1994

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
W. Thomas Pollard                       Department of Chemistry
[e-mail]         Columbia University
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date:    Fri, 11 Nov 1994 01:08:38 EST
From:    David Lloyd <[e-mail]>
Subject: Scripting WindowShade

Scripting WindowShade...

> So, did anyone figure this out. I've decided having a few windows (System
> Folder, Recent Apps, Recent Docs, Recent Folders, Personal Catalog) open, but
> shrunk down is a good thing. However, when I reboot, I have to go through and
> manually shrink each one. Unfortunately, it appears that since WindowShade is
> a control panel scripting this may not be possible. Maybe I'll look at a
> QuicKeys solution. Can I tell QuicKeys to double-click some place?

I saw this,  and thought, this is a neat idea.
I came up with this:

tell application "Finder"
        activate
        copy windows to x
        copy (count of windows) to numWindows

        repeat with i from 1 to numWindows
                copy bounds of window i to theBounds
                copy ((item 1 of theBounds) + 30) to itemOne
                copy ((item 2 of theBounds) - 10) to itemTwo
                AutoClick {itemOne, itemTwo}
                AutoClick {itemOne, itemTwo}
                AutoClick {itemOne, itemTwo}
        end repeat

end tell

Unfortunately you can only get the Autoclick osax once you've registered
the Autotype osax (only a fiver).  Auto click simulates the mouse-
it  clicks at the coordinates as given in its parameters.
There are three clicks, one to activate the window and a double click.
For some reason, a double click on its own did not work as it should.

See that it also requires the scriptable Finder.

I saved this script as an application
and put it in my startup folder and it works as expected.

Dave L.

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Date:    Thu, 10 Nov 1994 22:40:36 -0800
From:    Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: "Get Terminology" event question

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>I don't think I've got a proper understanding of how the AppleScript
>"get terminology" event is supposed to work. On the AppleScript 1.1 CD, there
>is a document called "AppleScript Suite". This describes the get terminology
>event, but doesn't say that there are any parameters for it. So how do you
>specify what language code and script code you want the terminology for?
>
>The only application I've got at home with dynamic terminology is the
>Scriptable Finder. When I try sending it a get terminology event, I get an
>error saying some parameter is missing.

The direct parameter is a long which describes what language you want the
terminology in.  Basically, it is simply the script code shifted left 8
bits with the country code added into the low byte.  This is,
coincidentally, the resource id of the aete that you want.

For English, this is 0.  French is 1.  Japanese has two, 11 for Romanji and
267 for Kanji.

Jon

------------------------------

Date:    Thu, 10 Nov 1994 22:40:47 -0800
From:    Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Multiple source files?

>> Coming from a tradition of small and concise C source files, I'd like to
>> use multiple source files for my compiled scripts and applications. Is
>> there a way I may do this with the standard AS package?
>>
>Yes. Have a look at the chapter on script objects in the AppleScript
>Language Reference.
>
>Basically, you just save a script with a few handlers in it, and load it as
>a script object in your calling routine (myScript = load script "Foo").
>Then refer to the handler in any of the normal ways (Foo's bar, tell Foo to
>bar, bar of Foo...)

An alternative, which is not simply the AppleScript package, is to use my
ScriptServer application and Leonard's OSA Menu to run an AppleScript which
will combine several files (ala #include) and compile the resulting file.
I have included a simple example script with ScriptServer, but I've left
the #include as an exercise for the reader.

If anyone wants to send me a script that does includes, I'll put it into
the ScriptServer package.  Otherwise it has to wait until I get some time
to write it, which ain't going to happen any time soon because I just got a
couple of Newtons and won't be having much free time until I get them doing
everything the way I want them too.  ;)

Jon

------------------------------

Date:    Thu, 10 Nov 1994 22:57:47 -0700
From:    MR Mac - Michael Robertson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Tricky problem using date comparison

Here's the problem:

I have a script which I want to do a date comparison. The problem is that I
have to do this date comparison on a chunk of data I get within a loop
while talking to another app. This app has its own definition of what
'date' means and refuses to work. Here's a simple example:

This works:
----------
set TheDate to "Tuesday, February 3, 1998 12:00:00 AM"
set diff to (date TheDate) - (date "Monday, October 31, 1994 12:00:00 AM")
               ^               ^
               |               |


This does not work:
-------------------
tell application "Eudora"
   repeat (for a whole bunch of messages)
    set TheDate to date of message x of mailbox boxToCheck of mail folder ""
                    ^
                    |  (this line works

    set diff to (date TheDate) - (date "Monday, October 31, 1994")
                   ^               ^
                   |               | (this line won't)

    if diff meets some criteria
     munge the message
    end if

   end repeat
end tell


Because the 2nd & 3rd reference to "date" are within the Eudora tell, it is
using Eudora's definition of the term 'date' and not Applescripts. I can't
very well jump out of Eudora (end tell) because I'm right in the middle of
a repeat loop and I have to get assign the value of diff from criteria I
grab from Eudora. There must be some easy work around for this one. Can
some expert enlighten me?

How about Jon P.? Do you think you could stop writing cool OSAXen for the
*whole* AppleScript community and take time out to spoon feed me
AppleScript basics? :)



-- Michael


_____________________________________________________________________________
Michael Robertson - MR Mac         [phone] office
Macintosh Business Consultant      [phone] pager
San Diego Supercomputer Ctr.       [phone] fax

Internet, America Online           [e-mail]
_____________________________________________________________________________

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 11 Nov 1994 03:17:12 -0500
From:    Barry Chern <[e-mail]>
Subject: OSAXen DB

I've placed in the incoming directory of gaea a FileMaker Pro database of
all the scripting additions I could find lying around on my hard-drives.
There are over 300 commands, including syntax. See the readme enclosed for
notes on its weaknesses and possible confusions.

Barry
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 11 Nov 1994 10:49:56 +0100
From:    WalrathW <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Tricky problem using date comparison

> I have a script which I want to do a date comparison. The problem is that I
> have to do this date comparison on a chunk of data I get within a loop
> while talking to another app. This app has its own definition of what
> 'date' means and refuses to work. Here's a simple example:
>
> This works:
> ----------
> set TheDate to "Tuesday, February 3, 1998 12:00:00 AM"
> set diff to (date TheDate) - (date "Monday, October 31, 1994 12:00:00 AM")
<snip,snip>
> This does not work:
> -------------------
> tell application "Eudora"
>    repeat (for a whole bunch of messages)
>     set TheDate to date of message x of mailbox boxToCheck of mail folder
""
>                     ^
>                     |  (this line works
>
>     set diff to (date TheDate) - (date "Monday, October 31, 1994")
>                    ^               ^
>                    |               | (this line won't)
>
>     if diff meets some criteria
>      munge the message
>     end if
>
>    end repeat
> end tell

Seems like you could do the following though:

repeat (for a whole bunch of messages)
  tell application "Eudora"
    set TheDate to date of message x of mailbox boxToCheck of mail folder ""
  end tell

  set diff to (date TheDate) - (date "Monday, October 31, 1994")

  tell application "Eudora"
   .... .more stuff
  end tell

> How about Jon P.? Do you think you could stop writing cool OSAXen for the
> *whole* AppleScript community and take time out to spoon feed me
> AppleScript basics? :)

Yeah, Jon, Get a life! ....  ;-)

cheers,
  -waybe

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 11 Nov 1994 08:56:17 -0600
From:    Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: OSAXen DB

Everyone,

>I've placed in the incoming directory of gaea a FileMaker Pro database of
>all the scripting additions I could find lying around on my hard-drives.
>There are over 300 commands, including syntax. See the readme enclosed for
>notes on its weaknesses and possible confusions.

You'll find Barry's database in

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/addons/OSAXenDB.sit.hqx

You'll also find the latest versions of Aladdin's DropStuff and StuffIt
Expander in

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/scriptableapps/DropStuff_with_EE_3.5.2_Ins
taller.hqx
ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/scriptableapps/StuffIt_Expander_3.5.2_Inst
all.hqx

Enjoy.

pf

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 11 Nov 1994 09:05:08 U
From:    mark stewart <[e-mail]>
Subject: MacPGP scripts?

                       Subject:                               Time:8:57 AM
  OFFICE MEMO          MacPGP scripts?                        Date:11/11/94
>From the title of several recent messages about Eudora and MacPGP I'm assuming
that the latter is scriptable. Looking at it in ResEdit though I find that it
has no 'aete' resource for Frontier to sift through. Nor does Gaea's index list
any scripts for it. So the questions are:
1) Is MacPGP really scriptable?
2) Does anyone have any scripts for it they'd be willing to upload to Gaea?

Thanks,
Mark Stewart
BIAD-Research Imaging Center
UTHSCSA

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 11 Nov 1994 10:46:08 -0500
From:    Danny Goodman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Tricky problem using date comparison

>This app has its own definition of what
>'date' means and refuses to work.

I don't have Eudora to see how it handles dates, but I once ran into
something like this with the offset command.  Rather than break up my main
script, I sent the job to a subroutine, which was governed by AppleScript
alone, returning any necessary data (a boolean, in your case) to the main
script.

Danny Goodman

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 11 Nov 1994 08:27:59 PST
From:    David Jokinen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Scripting WindowShade

Here's another version of the "Toggle WindowShade" script.

property pClickPoint : {0, -1}
property pClickTimes : 2

on run
 tell application "Finder"
  activate
  repeat with iWindow in windows
   open iWindow
   tell application "PreFab Playerx"
    click location pClickPoint times pClickTimes
   end tell
  end repeat
 end tell
end run

I requires the Scriptable Finder and PreFab Player.

David Jokinen
Ground Zero Software

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 11 Nov 1994 08:32:17 PST
From:    David Jokinen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Tricky problem using date comparison

>This does not work:
>-------------------
>tell application "Eudora"
>   repeat (for a whole bunch of messages)
>    set TheDate to date of message x of mailbox boxToCheck of mail folder ""
>                    ^
>                    |  (this line works
>
>    set diff to (date TheDate) - (date "Monday, October 31, 1994")
>                   ^               ^
>                   |               | (this line won't)
>
>    if diff meets some criteria
>     munge the message
>    end if
>
>   end repeat
>end tell

Since tell blocks don't persist across handler calls, you could stick your
date calculation in a separate handler:
***
tell application "Eudora"
    repeat ...
        do somthing with theDate...
        set diff to CalcDiff(theDate)
        do some more stuff with theDate...
    end repeat
end tell

on CalcDiff(aDate)
    return aDate - (date "Monday, October 31, 1994")
end CalcDiff
***
David Jokinen
Ground Zero Software

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 11 Nov 1994 12:11:26 -0500
From:    Daniel Berlinger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MacPGP scripts?

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> 1) Is MacPGP really scriptable?

The unofficial version 2.6 universal which was released with the same
"limitations" as other unliscensed version has the aete resource. It is my
understanding that MIT is adding scripting to the official version and have
decided to wait for that.

Additionally, the 2.6 version will not read versions older than 2.3, I
believe, but the universal version does.

Daniel

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Daniel Berlinger                         [e-mail]
"I wasn't thinking...
          ...obviously this doesn't matter to my point."
Administrator of Information Systems   Circumstance Technology
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------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 11 Nov 1994 11:35:38 -0600
From:    Greg Hiner <[e-mail]>
Subject: String to Record Class

Greetings-

I have an html form running on a web that writes information out to a file.
As you may know this information is tagged with a field name. This got me
thinking about applescripts record class so I munged the data it writes to
the file to look just like a record - example
{firstname:"Greg",lastname:"Hiner"}. Now what I would like to do is be able
to read that data back in at a later time and have applescript see it as a
record class object. When you read the file of course you get a string -
can you coerce this string to a record? The simple - newData as record -
does not seem to work. Any ideas.

Best-

Greg


 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 Greg Hiner                                      [phone] ext.82
 Computer Support                                [e-mail]
 Garrison Hall 318
 University of Texas at Austin
 Austin, TX 78712

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 11 Nov 1994 11:45:15 -0600
From:    Dennis Whiteman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Script Editor Clicking Inaccurate

Hello,

Has anyone else noticed odd behaviour with Script Editor 1.1.1 and System
7.5? Selecting text in the editor isn't accurate and I'm getting a little
frustrated. I have to click close to some text and cursor over to select what
I want. Clicking is off by one or two characters and its a real problem. I
didn't have this problem with SE 1.1.1 and System 7.1.2. I copied my prefs
file over from the old System. Could this have something to do with this
problem?

Dennis L. Whiteman
THE ULTIMATE FREELANCER
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 11 Nov 1994 19:28:19 +0100
From:    Christoph Dohrmann <[e-mail]>
Subject: Eudora "SaveAs" and other menues

For some reason I need to save my messages into ASC Files (alfa) after I
used the menu "Edit|Wrap selection" to limit line length...
Online I can do this using the appropriate menues...
I would like to automate this and some more work I need to do in advance with -
you guessed it -                Applescript.

Since I need only the body (field "" of message 0) I could copy this and
write it into a file using the FileI/O osax.
BUT I thought about using the "save" command that is included with eudora's
core suite... which syntax is described as

>save: Save an object
>    save  reference  -- the object to save
>       [in  alias]  -- the file in which to save the object
>       [as  type class]  -- the file type of the document in which to save...



telling Eudora to

>    save field "" of message 0 in "TESTFILE" as text

results in a

>>   "field "" does not understand the save message..."

Any Ideas....

Than_ in advance
    .
    .
    .
    .
    X

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 11 Nov 1994 10:36:18 U
From:    Chuck Pliske <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 9 Nov 1994 to 10 Nov 1994

I have been trying to use the boolean file properties but they don't seem to
work:

on open xyzzy
        tell application "Finder"
                repeat with f in xyzzy
                        if the folder of f then
                        ...
                        end if
                end repeat
        end tell
end open

The dictionary sez there are a few of these: locked (which works), and alias
and folder (which don't seem to work)

An apple example (synchronize folders) uses the (f as text) and looks for a
trailing ":" to indicate a folder, but it seems as though there is a testable
property.

Am I doing something wrong?

thanks,

Chuck

This mail courtesy of Apple's System 7.5 and StarNine's Internet Gateway

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 11 Nov 1994 11:02:14 -0800
From:    Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Script Editor Clicking Inaccurate

>Hello,
>
>Has anyone else noticed odd behaviour with Script Editor 1.1.1 and System
>7.5? Selecting text in the editor isn't accurate and I'm getting a little
>frustrated. I have to click close to some text and cursor over to select what
>I want. Clicking is off by one or two characters and its a real problem. I
>didn't have this problem with SE 1.1.1 and System 7.1.2. I copied my prefs
>file over from the old System. Could this have something to do with this
>problem?


I reported this one to Apple by way of Adam "TidBITS" Engst and got mail
back from an Apple test engineer asking how to repro it. I sent a really
detailed bug report (including step by step instructions) and I think they
then reproed it and sent it onto engineering.

In my case it only happened on a Power Mac (any model) with System 7.5 with
the WorldScript Power Adaptor extension loaded. The offset seemed related
to the number of style changes in a line of text. Removing the WorldScript
Power Adaptor extension solved the problem, but TextEdit is then as slow as
hell.

This is the first time I've heard of it on a 68k Mac and pre-7.5 too.

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 11 Nov 1994 19:36:19 GMT
From:    Dan Hinckley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Eudora script upload

I've placed in the gaea incoming folder a script, EudoraAutoReply, to do
automatic replies in Eudora 2.1 by checking for keywords in headers. Hope
this is of interest. I'll appreciate any and all suggestions, comments,
etc. If anyone can tell me how to move the insertion point in a Eudora msg
body, I'll do an improved version right away.

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 11 Nov 1994 14:47:22 -0500
From:    Mark Hadfield <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: String to Record Class

>I have an html form running on a web that writes information out to a file.
>As you may know this information is tagged with a field name. This got me
>thinking about applescripts record class so I munged the data it writes to
>the file to look just like a record - example
>{firstname:"Greg",lastname:"Hiner"}. Now what I would like to do is be able
>to read that data back in at a later time and have applescript see it as a
>record class object. When you read the file of course you get a string -
>can you coerce this string to a record? The simple - newData as record -
>does not seem to work. Any ideas.
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Greg Hiner                                      [phone] ext.82
> Computer Support                                [e-mail]
> Garrison Hall 318
> University of Texas at Austin
> Austin, TX 78712

Greg,
What it sounds like you want is a string of records:

set a to {{Name:"Mark",Address:"[e-mail]"},{Name:"Greg",...}}

You can then 'get record 1 of a'

I'm not sure if this is a full answer for you maybe just a direction to
look at...



Mark Hadfield
[e-mail]
The Hospital For Sick Children

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 11 Nov 1994 13:58:23 -0600
From:    Frank Concannon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Scriptable Telnet App?

>>Does anyone know of a scriptable Telnet App?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Tomo
>
>My TCP/IP Scripting Addition includes a Telnet sample script... you can
>modify it to do whatever you'd like during a telnet session.
>
>You can find it at gaea.kgs.ukans.edu, in

snip

>Let me know if you have any questions on using it or customizing it...
>
>-- Atul
>


Is it possible to write a full featured terminal emulation package using
this approach, with regard for terminal emulation etc ? What are the
issues.?

If this is possible I might give it a try BUT if there are obstacles I
would like to know of them now rather than when I am down the road.

Frank C.
R&E

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 11 Nov 1994 11:08:25 -0800
From:    Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: String to Record Class

>I have an html form running on a web that writes information out to a file.
>As you may know this information is tagged with a field name. This got me
>thinking about applescripts record class so I munged the data it writes to
>the file to look just like a record - example
>{firstname:"Greg",lastname:"Hiner"}. Now what I would like to do is be able
>to read that data back in at a later time and have applescript see it as a
>record class object. When you read the file of course you get a string -
>can you coerce this string to a record? The simple - newData as record -
>does not seem to work. Any ideas.

Why munge it into a text file?

If you store it as a property of a script object then you can load and save
the script object in a script document with very little hassle and still
have all the information contained inside the script object accessible in
an easy way. You could have a property contain a list of lists of records
contain lists of records and have is saved and read perfectly. Or would you
rather rewrite the AppleScript parser to parse the text stream representing
these objects.

When a system gives you (a kind of) object oriented persistent store its
better to make use of it than to perpetuate the "stream of chars" files as
a storage medium.


Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 11 Nov 1994 15:05:34 -0500
From:    John Schettino <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Script Editor Clicking Inaccurate

>Hello,
>
>Has anyone else noticed odd behaviour with Script Editor 1.1.1 and System
>7.5? Selecting text in the editor isn't accurate and I'm getting a little
>frustrated. I have to click close to some text and cursor over to select what
>I want. Clicking is off by one or two characters and its a real problem. I
>didn't have this problem with SE 1.1.1 and System 7.1.2. I copied my prefs
>file over from the old System. Could this have something to do with this
>problem?
>

Upgraded from 7.1 to 7.5 on a centris, no problem (had AS 1.1 both before
and after)

- john

-----------------------------------------
[e-mail]             GTE Laboratories
John Schettino                Waltham, MA

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 11 Nov 1994 14:22:27 -0600
From:    Frank Concannon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Idle time in FaceSpan Application

Aghhhhhhhhhhh helllllllpppppp!

        What is the problem with the following piece of script.

on idle
  pollTheNet()
  repurn delayTime
end idle

        It is part of a FaceSpan application that I have written that keep
an eye on the state of my Mac Lab. Every Xminutes ( delayTime ) it should
do "pollTheNet()" and with the result update a display on my Mac. However
what happens is that it just continually does "pollTheNet()" which dosent
do anything for my productivity as my Mac get tied up with repeated polls.
( currently I just hit a button to get the lates condition of things ).

        I am obviously missing something fairly basic here but I have been
fixated on this for so long that I can't see it any more. I have
implemented a similar procedure with an AppleScript application and that
works fine with any delay time I care to specify but I would prefer to run
a FS application.

        Is there some concideration to the way in which FS does it as
opposed to AS.

incidentally 'set idle delay of application "foo" to whatever' is not what
I want.

Frank C.
R&E

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 11 Nov 1994 15:41:51 -0500
From:    Troy Heninger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Idle time in FaceSpan Application

At  2:22 PM 11/11/94 -0600, Frank Concannon wrote:
>Aghhhhhhhhhhh helllllllpppppp!
>
>        What is the problem with the following piece of script.
>
>on idle
>  pollTheNet()
>  repurn delayTime
>end idle
>
>        It is part of a FaceSpan application that I have written that keep
>an eye on the state of my Mac Lab. Every Xminutes ( delayTime ) it should
>do "pollTheNet()" and with the result update a display on my Mac. However
>what happens is that it just continually does "pollTheNet()" which dosent
>do anything for my productivity as my Mac get tied up with repeated polls.
>( currently I just hit a button to get the lates condition of things ).
>
>        I am obviously missing something fairly basic here but I have been
>fixated on this for so long that I can't see it any more. I have
>implemented a similar procedure with an AppleScript application and that
>works fine with any delay time I care to specify but I would prefer to run
>a FS application.
>

As far as I understand, the delay time has always been specified in
seconds, not minutes.  That might explain why it continually calls
pollTheNet().  Try multiplying the number by 60 and see if that helps.

 ______________________________________________________________________
| Troy Heninger    | That which you persist in doing becomes easier.   |
| [e-mail] | Its not that the nature of the thing changes, but |
|                  | your ability to do it increases. (Heber J. Grant) |
 ______________________________________________________________________

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 11 Nov 1994 15:04:08 -0600
From:    Greg Hiner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: String to Record Class

>>I have an html form running on a web that writes information out to a file.
>>As you may know this information is tagged with a field name. This got me
>>thinking about applescripts record class so I munged the data it writes to
>>the file to look just like a record - example
>>{firstname:"Greg",lastname:"Hiner"}. Now what I would like to do is be able
>>to read that data back in at a later time and have applescript see it as a
>>record class object. When you read the file of course you get a string -
>>can you coerce this string to a record? The simple - newData as record -
>>does not seem to work. Any ideas.
>
>Why munge it into a text file?
>
>If you store it as a property of a script object then you can load and save
>the script object in a script document with very little hassle and still
>have all the information contained inside the script object accessible in
>an easy way. You could have a property contain a list of lists of records
>contain lists of records and have is saved and read perfectly. Or would you
>rather rewrite the AppleScript parser to parse the text stream representing
>these objects.
>
>When a system gives you (a kind of) object oriented persistent store its
>better to make use of it than to perpetuate the "stream of chars" files as
>a storage medium.
>

Well yes but let me walk through this a bit because I still think there is
a problem.

First I'm taking a long string passed by MacHTTP to my script. Something like:
 "firstname=Greg&lastname=Hiner&department=American+Studies&position=Graduat
e&interests=Space+for+something+interesting+to+say%2C+if+you+have+something+
to+say.+Blah%2C+Blah."

So first off I'm starting with a string that is being handed to me by
another program. I then munge this into a string that looks like a record
(this maybe stupid I guess but hell it was worth a shot). Now I've got
something like {firstname:"Greg", lastname:"Hiner" . . . . }. Now I could
save this string as a property but it still isn't a record.

So I guess the real basic question is can you take a string handed to you
by another program and turn that string into a record class object?

If I'm missing something real basic here don't assume I know what I'm
talking about.

Thanks,

Greg

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 11 Nov 1994 14:45:34 -0600
From:    Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Eudora script upload

Hi folks,

>I've placed in the gaea incoming folder a script, EudoraAutoReply, to do
>automatic replies in Eudora 2.1 by checking for keywords in headers. Hope
>this is of interest. I'll appreciate any and all suggestions, comments,
>etc. If anyone can tell me how to move the insertion point in a Eudora msg
>body, I'll do an improved version right away.

This can be found in

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/scripts/EudoraAutoReply.sit.hqx

Have fun.

pf

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 11 Nov 1994 15:18:22 PST
From:    David Jokinen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: String to Record Class

>So first off I'm starting with a string that is being handed to me by
>another program. I then munge this into a string that looks like a record
>(this maybe stupid I guess but hell it was worth a shot). Now I've got
>something like {firstname:"Greg", lastname:"Hiner" . . . . }. Now I could
>save this string as a property but it still isn't a record.

Hmm... Let me ask a stupid question:

As long as you're munging, why not munge directly to a record? Or at least a
list? I've had a lot of success with Wayne Walrath's "tokenize" osax for this
kind of munging. In fact, one of Wayne's example scripts includes a munger
for an Internet header that looked a lot like your example.

As far as writing to a file, try this:
***
set theList to {{firstname:"Greg", lastname:"Hiner"}, {firstname:"David",
lastname:"Jokinen"}}

-- open a file
write theList to theFileRef

-- take a nap then reopen the file
set theList to read theFileRef as list
***
David Jokinen
Ground Zero Software

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 11 Nov 1994 15:37:17 -0800
From:    "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Tricky problem using date comparison

>>This app has its own definition of what
>>'date' means and refuses to work.
>
>I don't have Eudora to see how it handles dates, but I once ran into
>something like this with the offset command.  Rather than break up my main
>script, I sent the job to a subroutine, which was governed by AppleScript
>alone, returning any necessary data (a boolean, in your case) to the main
>script.

After one quick test in Frontier, in which Eudora 2.0.1 sent me a message's
date as the string "Tuesday", I decided I didn't want to deal with that
(for today it's a time, for this week its a day name, otherwise its a
date/time string).  There may well be an "as ..." phrase one can use to get
a known date format from Eudora.

Maybe over the weekend, if I don't see other posts.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 11 Nov 1994 15:41:38 -0800
From:    "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Script Editor Clicking Inaccurate

>Hello,
>
>Has anyone else noticed odd behaviour with Script Editor 1.1.1 and System
>7.5? Selecting text in the editor isn't accurate and I'm getting a little
>frustrated. I have to click close to some text and cursor over to select what
>I want. Clicking is off by one or two characters and its a real problem. I
>didn't have this problem with SE 1.1.1 and System 7.1.2. I copied my prefs
>file over from the old System. Could this have something to do with this
>problem?
>

Yes...and indeed it is annoying.  It's not restricted to Script
Editor...you can induce SimpleText to do much the same thing.  It seems to
be related to heavily mixed type faces on a single line.  [I think it's
also related to Script Editor's insistence, here, on drawing the right ends
of long lines under the scroll bar...a problem shared with alternate
dictionary viewers.]

On my machine (8100), this problem predates System 7.5, by the way.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 11 Nov 1994 18:18:18 +0000
From:    Kyraden <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Script Editor Clicking Inaccurate

 I copied my prefs
>file over from the old System. Could this have something to do with this
>problem?
>
>Dennis L. Whiteman
>THE ULTIMATE FREELANCER
>[e-mail]

ScrAp the prefs file and start up the app, it will make new ones. Those are
almost always your culprit.

| Jaeson M. Engle    ||    [e-mail]  |
         www server: http://josaiah.sewanee.edu/
        Elomense(MUD): josaiah.sewanee.edu 1999

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 11 Nov 1994 19:39:40 -0600
From:    Matt Brown <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Script Editor Clicking Inaccurate

At 11:45 AM 11/11/94, Dennis Whiteman wrote:
>Has anyone else noticed odd behaviour with Script Editor 1.1.1 and System
>7.5? Selecting text in the editor isn't accurate and I'm getting a little
>frustrated. I have to click close to some text and cursor over to select what
>I want. Clicking is off by one or two characters and its a real problem.

Yes, I have this same problem. The strange thing is that it just began, and
I have changed nothing in my system configuration! Any input would be
greatly appreciated.

Matt Brown                       | "Our scientific power has outrun our
                                 |    spiritual power. We have guided
[e-mail]      |      missiles and misguided men."
http://www.missouri.edu/~c624618 |        --Martin Luther King Jr.

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 11 Nov 1994 20:46:14 -0800
From:    { brad brace } <[e-mail]>
Subject: Microphone Script help needed

Can anyone provide some assistance with the following Microphone script?
I think I'm close to making this work...?

 Settings File = MicroPhone Settings
 Script Name = 12-hr
 Command Key = =
 F-Key =
 Menu = YES
 Button = NO
 Version = 4000
 System = Macintosh

This project requires a script which will upload one jpeg and one gif file
to my dial-up Internet ftp account every 12 hours. I plan to scan a dozen
or so photos at a time into my home computer (they will be consecutively
named, ie. 0001.gif, 0002.gif, 0003.gif... 0001.jpg, 0002.jpg,
0003.jpg...etc), and placed in the folder named 12-hr.  The first two of
these scans need to be renamed to 12hr.gif and 12hr.jpg prior to being
uploaded (where they will replace the identically named, previous files of
the last 12 hours). The modem then disconnects and the process repeats 12
hours later.

The imagery for this project has been fifteen years in the making, and is an
appropriate extension from the physically-published ISBN-books (see file
in my ftp-subdir). There are several thousand, sequenced, grey-scale
images that are to be electronically published/posted once every 12 hours
for years to come. Needless to say I need to automate this procedure and
try and curtail as many glitches as possible at the outset.  Any additional
assistance/ideas are gratefully appreciated.



   1    Set Variable * 12-hr from Folder Dialog "'12-hr'"
   2    Wait Until Time "'12:00'"
   3    Set Variable * count from Expression "0"
   4    While Expression "count < 12"
   5      Set Variable * filename from Expression "'0000' & count & '.jpg'"
   6      Set Variable * filename from Expression "'0000' & count & '.gif'"
   7      File * Rename "filename,'12hr.jpg'"
   8      File * Rename "filename,'12hr.gif'"
   9      Dial Service * "'netcom'"
  10      Wait for Text "'login'"
  11      Send Text String "'bbrace^M'"
  12      Wait for Text "'password:'"
  13      Send Text String "'xxxx^M'"
  14      Repeat
  15      Until Success
  16      Send File * ZMODEM Binary "'12hr.jpg'"
  17      Send File * ZMODEM Binary "'12hr.gif'"
  18      Send Text String (protected) "'mv 12hr.* ~ftp/pub/bbrace'"
  19      Send Text String (protected) "'chmod a+r ~ftp/pub/bbrace/*'"
  20      Send Text String (protected) "'lo'"
  21      File * Rename "'12hr.jpg',filename"
  22      File * Rename "'12hr.gif',filename"
  23      Set Variable * count from Expression "count +1"
  24    End While


(Does the 12hr-folder need to be in the Microphone folder?)
(Will Microphone be able to wake my Mac up every 12hrs?)

--
   { brad brace }                               [e-mail]
   ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/bbrace/bbrace.html    ~finger for pgp

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Date:         Mon, 14 Nov 1994 08:57:41 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: I see troubles
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Sun, 13 Nov 94 14:16:16 CST"

Folks,

>In message <[e-mail]> Kee Nethery:
>> did the entire macscripting mailing list just get subscribed to the
>> nisus mailing list?
>>
>> >You have been added to the Nisus mailing list. If you want to
>> >unsubscribe in the future, send the message
>
>It would so appear.  I hope this is an error on someone's part, and that
>it gets corrected VERY soon.

I don't think there is a need for panic. I just checked the Nisus and the
MacScripting lists, and don't see any crossed subscriptions. My guess is that
someone accidentally sent this into the list by mistake.

Unless, of course, someone has actually gotten a Nisus message who isn't
subscribed to the Nisus mailing list.....

pf
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 14 Nov 1994 08:48:17 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FMP Repeating Fields and Excel WorkSheets

>Actually, I think it's OK to overfill a range. I find it easiest to write a
>simple "fillRange" handler, which takes the Excel range name and list data
>as two parameters. It would then find the number of rows, the count of the
>list, and add null string list items to fill up the list (set end of
>theList to "").

You are right -- if only it was the other way around it would make life
easier:-)

The problem is when you don't have rectangular arrays, that is one row
falls short. I am working on a hack for this that just pads out the short
sublists with null items but it does mean you have to cycle through all of
the data with AppleScript which removes the advantage of doing one large
transaction with Excel.

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 14 Nov 1994 09:08:04 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mike Cohen <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Accessing the OSA from C

At 8:57 AM 11/14/94, Deirdre Saoirse-Savino wrote:
>OK, I see the book on how to do the OSACompile and all that.
>
>How do I check if these traps are available? There doesn't seem to be a
>Gestalt selector for same, nor can I find a way of checking directly.
>
>_Deirdre

That isn't really a trap - it's a call to the scripting component. To see
if it's available, make sure the component manager is installed, and then
check for the presence of one or more scripting components.

_______________________________________________________________
Mike Cohen           | ISIS International
[phone] Voice | [e-mail]           | ALink: D6734
[phone] Fax   | NewtonMail, eWorld: MikeC | AOL: MikeC20
Home Page: ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/isis/home.html
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 14 Nov 1994 12:01:20 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Please Read (was Re: SUBSCRIBE)

Everyone,

Kevin Purcell has pointed out that I'm the culprit of the bogus "You are now
subscribed to the Nisus mailing list".

>I would hope not!
>
>You sent this to the MacScripting list, Fred!

I'm not sure what bleary-eyed fever caused this, but please accept my earnest
apologies.

Also, Please stop sending me unsubscribe messages! Dealing with those have
been my penance this morning for such a bozo error.


Again, sorry for the confusion.

pf



+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Fred Terry  Cadence Design Systems  [e-mail]  [phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 14 Nov 1994 12:19:22 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Richard Petty <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Frontier Address Self-ident

        Reply to:   Frontier Address Self-identity
  Does anyone know a way of having a Frontier script ask what it's own name
is?
  For example, if a script located at root.scratchpad.testscript is running,
how can I get it to return "testscript"
  I want to achieve this so that I can write a generic script that will act
on a file whose name matches the script name.  A date flag also would match
the file name.

Thanks ahead of time...

--Richard Petty
[e-mail]

Motorola
Austin, Texas
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 14 Nov 1994 10:33:30 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Accessing the OSA from C

>OK, I see the book on how to do the OSACompile and all that.
>
>How do I check if these traps are available? There doesn't seem to be a
>Gestalt selector for same, nor can I find a way of checking directly.

The Gestalt selector is gestaltAppleEventsAttr ('evnt')

If bit number 2  (1 << gestaltOSLInSystem) is set, the OSA trap is
available (or the right shared library is in place on a Power Mac).

I think.

[This stuff is in Inside Mac, Operating System Utilities, chapter 1.  Apple
has been a little inconsistent as to whether such things are also in the
individual chapters and volumes, if they are in the Gestalt chapter's
listing.]

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 14 Nov 1994 10:33:35 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Lessons Learned--So Far

At 23:07 11/13/94, Alex L. Bangs wrote:
>* I've been running the scripts I use directly from my app using OSAExecute
>and OSAExecuteEvent (the latter lets me run a script and send an open
>event, so I can pass in a file). Now we all know that AppleScript has this
>nice little way of asking where an app is if you move the script to another
>machine, and it stores this somewhere or another. Unfortunately, if you run
>the script directly yourself, it has no way to save this information. So I
>now save the script after execution and it now is able to properly cache
>and save the data.


Provide a "context" (a compiled script object).  Stash it in your
preferences file (or stash a different one in each docuemnt's resource
fork, if you prefer).  "Load" the context, and pass the resulting OSAID
value in the context parameter to the other calls.

Let me know whether it works for you...it does what little I've asked of it.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 14 Nov 1994 10:33:39 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: "Get Terminology" event question

>> It is important for anyone using this call to remember that it can return a
>> purgeable handle if the aete resource is purgeable.  In the short term aete
>> resources shouldn't be marked purgeable but many are (Hypercard and
>> PhotoFlash both are).  Some future release of AppleScript might fix this.
>
>While on the subject, I noticed something I thought was kind of odd over the
>weekend. I have a background only scriptable app. I was sending it some
>events from a script running on another machine across the network, and at
>the same time snooping through the app's memory with Zone Ranger. All of a
>sudden I noticed a Handle with my aete resource in it loaded into my Heap. I
>don't support the get terminology event though. Is it possible that the
>System, or the AppleEvent manager loaded this thing into MY heap? After that
>I went and marked the thing purgeable since if it was going to be happening
>on a regular basis, without me knowing, I didn't want it hanging around when
>I needed the memory for something else. But Jon is saying I shouldn't mark it
>purgeable.
>
>What's the story here?

If you mark the 'aete' purgeable, Script Editor (and some script editing
alternatives) will sometimes "lose" parts of the "Dictionary".  Sometimes
all of it, sometimes just the headers, sometimes it keeps just the keywords
without the descriptions.  None of those is useful.

One would hope that when AppleScript is finished with the 'aete' in your
heap, AppleScript will release it.  No guarantees (one would have hoped
that Script Editor could deal with purgeable 'aete' resources, too).

AppleScript installs a System event handler for the Get AETE event.  So, in
effect, your app has a handler for that event, and it would appear to load
the resource into your heap (it almost has to do it that way, since it
can't reach into your resource fork directly across the network).

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 14 Nov 1994 12:36:02 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kyraden <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: I see troubles

>Unless, of course, someone has actually gotten a Nisus message who isn't
>subscribed to the Nisus mailing list.....
>
>pf

That would be me. I don't even know what this Nisus list is...

| Jaeson M. Engle    ||    [e-mail]  |
         www server: http://josaiah.sewanee.edu/
        Elomense(MUD): josaiah.sewanee.edu 1999
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 14 Nov 1994 12:42:13 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Steve Alex <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Cron and AppleScript

Rather than have a script application stay open and have an idle handler do
something a couple times a day, I've been using Chris Johonson's Cron to
launch the script application. This has worked on a couple of scripts, but
I've run into a problem with a script that loads and saves a script object.

All I wanted to do is check a mailbox, see if any new mail has arrived,
process it, reset the lastChecked date and exit. The processing and all
that works, but I had trouble (because of a bug) with the lastChecked
property . I initially tried:

  Property lastChecked : date "11/11/94"
    -- process stuff
  set lastChecked to Current Date

This was saved as a application (no startup screen and quit when complete).
My bug made it appear that the lastChecked property never got set to the
current date. The next attempt was to use Cron and the load/store script
extensions. In the preferences folder, I saved the property statement above
in a compiled script "LastPrint". The following is an extract of my code,
modifed to try to find the problem:

  set fn to (path to preferences folder as string) & "lastPrint" as alias
  set scrpt to load script fn
    -- process here
  set lastChecked of scrpt to current date
  store script scrpt in fn replacing yes
  display dialog (lastChecked of d as string)

If I save the above code as an application and double click it it works
fine. If I launch it from Cron with:

 9 10 * * * nobody   appName


I get an AS error dialog box with "The variable fn is not defined". If you
choose the edit option, the error points to fn in the "store script" line.
I got my original solution to work, but wonder why this is not working.
I've cc'd Chris with this.




Steve Alex                                 ([e-mail])

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=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 14 Nov 1994 10:44:49 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Frontier Address Self-ident

>        Reply to:   Frontier Address Self-identity
>  Does anyone know a way of having a Frontier script ask what it's own name
>is?
>  For example, if a script located at root.scratchpad.testscript is running,
>how can I get it to return "testscript"
>  I want to achieve this so that I can write a generic script that will act
>on a file whose name matches the script name.  A date flag also would match
>the file name.
>
>Thanks ahead of time...
>
>--Richard Petty
>[e-mail]
>
>Motorola
>Austin, Texas

Some suggestions:

You could add a name property to the application script, make that the same
name as the script name.

Or add a handler, say MyName, which gets the path to me and returns the
last chunk of the path

Or both run the MyName() in the run handler and set your name property to
the result.

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 14 Nov 1994 10:46:34 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Frontier Address Self-ident

My mind is going -- I see anything beginning with an "F" I think it means
FaceSpan/Frontmost.

Its as bad as John Baxter and the Scriptable Finder (the other F word!) :-)

Apologies (but it was a good tip!).

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 14 Nov 1994 10:40:16 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Stephen Iremonger <[e-mail]>
Subject:      RE-Creating a new record wi

                       Subject:                               Time:9:46
  OFFICE MEMO          RE:Creating a new record with data in  Date:11/14/94
If you want to fill out all the fields in thernew record then you can set the
data to layout 0 (layout 0 is a conceptual layout consisting of all the
fields defined in the database, the fields are ordered according to their
creation order).  On layouts other than layout 0 the data will also be set to
the fields according to their creation order however data will only be set
into the fields that actually exist on that layout.

Layout 0 has all fields in creation order.
Layout nth Layout has the fields that exist on that layout in creation order.

Stephen
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 15 Nov 1994 08:47:00 +1300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: "Get Terminology" event question

WalrathW <[e-mail]> asks:

>While on the subject, I noticed something I thought was kind of odd over the
>weekend. I have a background only scriptable app. I was sending it some
>events from a script running on another machine across the network, and at
>the same time snooping through the app's memory with Zone Ranger. All of a
>sudden I noticed a Handle with my aete resource in it loaded into my Heap. I
>don't support the get terminology event though. Is it possible that the
>System, or the AppleEvent manager loaded this thing into MY heap?

You only need to supply an explicit handler for the get-terminology event
if you have dynamic terminology (for example, loaded from extensions).
AppleScript supplies a default systemwide handler for this event, that loads
your aete and passes a copy of it back to the requestor. This would be what
you're seeing happening.

> After that
>I went and marked the thing purgeable since if it was going to be happening
>on a regular basis, without me knowing, I didn't want it hanging around when
>I needed the memory for something else. But Jon is saying I shouldn't mark it
>purgeable.

Jon also made it clear that the purgeability problem is a bug in AppleScript.

Clearly, for now, you should not make your aete purgeable. If you're worried
about the space it's taking up (and I doubt it's very big), you could always
define your own get-terminology handler, which will return a copy of your
aete and then make it purgeable or call ReleaseResource on it, to free up the
memory.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Computer Services Dept                     fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 15 Nov 1994 08:52:00 +1300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Accessing the OSA from C

Deirdre Saoirse-Savino <[e-mail]> asks:

>OK, I see the book on how to do the OSACompile and all that.
>
>How do I check if these traps are available? There doesn't seem to be a
>Gestalt selector for same, nor can I find a way of checking directly.

Those are all Component Manager calls. First you check if the Component Manager
is present, and if that is true then you do an OpenDefaultComponent on the
scripting component type of your choice, and if that succeeds you can do
all the appropriate OSA calls with that component instance.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Computer Services Dept                     fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 14 Nov 1994 16:37:12 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Stonewall Ballard <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Need item bounds including name

I'm trying to get the bounding box of a desktop item. I can ask the
scriptable Finder:

tell application "Finder" to get bounds of item "SomeItemName"

Unfortunately, the rectangle returned doesn't include the item's name. Is
there any way to get the bounds of an item's name? Is there an addition
lying around that will return this?

In case I'm on the wrong track, I'm writing a script that neatens up my
desktop icons when I switch screen sizes. I normally keep a bunch of
aliases on the bottom of my screen, and want to put them in nice orderly
rows, preferably with the names abutting. The script I have so far will
neaten them up only vertically. It also saves their old positions for a
particular desktop size, and restores them on demand.

Thanks for any help.


______________________________________________________________________________
Stonewall Ballard                               Cambridge Engineering
[e-mail]                      Apple Computer, Inc.
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 14 Nov 1994 13:45:22 PST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Joe Scripter <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Gaea down?

 >I can't seem to be able to get into gaea since yesterday morning. The
>error I get is:  "452 Can't create data socket (129.237.140.40,20):
>Interrupted system call."

I have had the same problem about creating data sockets as well....It might
just be that it has to many connections at he time.


-Mike Lennon
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 14 Nov 1994 16:50:38 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Eric Bickford <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FMP and MacHTTPD

>>Has anybody written a hamster to connect MacHTTPD to >>FileMaker Pro for
doing something simple like returning >>records with a field that contains
and entry
>>in a HTML form?

I don't know if this is what you're after, but it still might be useful.

I use FMPro calculation fields to generate HTML with ancors. In this way I
don't have to wait for AppleScript to create the HTML. A key point, though,
is to create a field called Double Quotes that you insert in the calculation
field to get HTML that contains double quotes.

Eric Bickford
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 14 Nov 1994 17:27:22 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Lloyd <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Move to Trash

This, the simplest of scripts, moves files to the trash:


    tell application "Finder" to move selection to trash


But by using Keyquencer to run the script via a key command,
it moves a selected file to the trash *and* also deletes the file from the
trash.
(Any other files in the trash remain there.)
Does anyone know why this is ?

Dave L.
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 14 Nov 1994 14:59:43 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Accessing the OSA from C

>OK, I see the book on how to do the OSACompile and all that.
>
>How do I check if these traps are available? There doesn't seem to be a
>Gestalt selector for same, nor can I find a way of checking directly.

I provided a completely bogus answer a few minutes ago.  Ignore it, and go
with Mike Cohen's correct answer.  [There really is a difference between
"OSA" and "OSL".]

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 14 Nov 1994 16:10:56 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Doug Baron <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Frontier Address Self-ident

>        Reply to:   Frontier Address Self-identity
>  Does anyone know a way of having a Frontier script ask what it's own name
>is?
>  For example, if a script located at root.scratchpad.testscript is running,
>how can I get it to return "testscript"
>  I want to achieve this so that I can write a generic script that will act
>on a file whose name matches the script name.  A date flag also would match
>the file name.
>
>Thanks ahead of time...
>
>--Richard Petty
>[e-mail]
>
>Motorola
>Austin, Texas

Richard,

A UserTalk script can't get its name like that. But a normal desktop script
can get the full path to itself by accepting the value as a paramter:

        on myScript (path)
                <do stuff>

or by examining the value system.deskscripts.path. IOW, a desktop script
can be generic, and operate based on its file name. But for a script that
lives in the database to be generic, it must take a parameter of some sort.

Doug
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 15 Nov 1994 13:18:00 +1300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Accessing the OSA from C

"John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]> writes:

>The Gestalt selector is gestaltAppleEventsAttr ('evnt')
>
>If bit number 2  (1 << gestaltOSLInSystem) is set, the OSA trap is
>available (or the right shared library is in place on a Power Mac).

There is no OSA trap. And apart from both being built on top of AppleEvents,
the OSL and OSA have relatively little to do with each other. The OSL is the
Object Support Library, which is a bunch of code that applications can use
to support the AppleEvent Object Model, which makes them nice to work with from
AppleScript. OSA is the Open Scripting Architecture, which allows plug-in
scripting languages, one of which happens to be AppleScript.

Clear as mud...?
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Date:         Mon, 14 Nov 1994 18:43:27 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Frontier Address Self-ident

>        Reply to:   Frontier Address Self-identity
>  Does anyone know a way of having a Frontier script ask what it's own name
>is?
>  For example, if a script located at root.scratchpad.testscript is running,
>how can I get it to return "testscript"
>  I want to achieve this so that I can write a generic script that will act
>on a file whose name matches the script name.  A date flag also would match
>the file name.
>

It's not possible....it is already on the wish list, however.  For the
moment, you would simply have to hard code a string (or database
address...essentially the same thing) and return that, remembering to
change it when you move things around.

   --John

--John W. Baxter    Port Ludlow, WA USA   [e-mail]
  UserLand Software support
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 14 Nov 1994 22:05:07 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         William Moss <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Various Questions

Is it possible to open a "stationery pad" from the scriptable finder in the
manner which creates a duplicate of the document and keeps the original
intact? Every time I attempt to "open" a filename it displays the notice
that the user is editing the original item and not a duplicate.  In other
words it's giving me the Standard File Open behaviour when I want the
double click in the finder behaviour.  Any ideas to force this second open
method?


_____ William Moss                _____
_____ 24899 Georgia Tech Station  _____
_____ Atlanta, GA 30332           _____
_____ [e-mail]    _____
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Date:         Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:25:58 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Alex L. Bangs" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Literal AppleEvents

FYI, I have seen some discussion about how to do literal AppleEvents in
AppleScript. Just thought I'd pass it along, from the AppleScript Language
Guide (pp 83-84; if you forget where to find it, look in the index under
"<< >>")

The form is:
  <<event aevtodoc>>
Where the << >> are single characters formed by using opt-\ and shift-opt-\
(I didn't use the single chars here since I didn't think it would make it
through the mailer). The "event" word is literal, then you have eight
characters, the first four of which are the suite and the second four are
the event code. Don't know about doing parameters, tho. BTW, if you do type
in the above in the script editor, it will change the string from the above
into "open".

Alex L. Bangs
[e-mail]/work [phone]/home [phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 14 Nov 1994 21:23:40 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kyraden <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Gaea down?

>I have had the same problem about creating data sockets as well....It might
>just be that it has to many connections at he time.
>
>
>-Mike Lennon

I can get in fine now. Must have been some wierd thing.

| Jaeson M. Engle    ||    [e-mail]  |
         www server: http://josaiah.sewanee.edu/
        Elomense(MUD): josaiah.sewanee.edu 1999
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Date:         Mon, 14 Nov 1994 21:29:02 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kyraden <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FMP and MacHTTP (was Re: FMP and MacHTTPD)

This has nothing to do witht this particular discussion, but has bothered
me since this thread was posted. The application is MacHTTP, not MacHTTPD.
Sorry, but as I am slowly but surely becoming a computer myself, exactness
is key ;=AC)

Just my late night $53,000.02

(P.S. this is not meant as a flame or anything of the sort. Just pointing
it out!:=AC))

| Jaeson M. Engle    ||    [e-mail]  |
         www server: http://josaiah.sewanee.edu/
        Elomense(MUD): josaiah.sewanee.edu 1999
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 14 Nov 1994 22:02:48 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Brian Hall <[e-mail]>
Subject:      "Stationery Pad"

>Is it possible to open a "stationery pad" from the scriptable finder in the
>manner which creates a duplicate of the document and keeps the original
>intact? Every time I attempt to "open" a filename it displays the notice
>that the user is editing the original item and not a duplicate.  In other
>words it's giving me the Standard File Open behaviour when I want the
>double click in the finder behaviour.  Any ideas to force this second open
>method?

Most apps do not have the "stationary aware" bit set. ie, they actually
don't know anything about pads - the finder just makes it look that way.
When you send an event right to the app, you bypass that clever part of the
finder.

To simulate this, you might sending an "open selection" event to the finder
rather than an "open document" event to the application.

__________________________________________________________________________
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111 West Saint John, 2nd Floor                            fax [phone]
San Jose, CA 95113                                        bbs 408-293-7290

Macintosh connectivity software:               Internet: [e-mail]
Communicate, CTB Tools, PageNOW!                 AppleLink, AOL: MARKSPACE
                  Goodies at ftp.netcom.com in pub/mspace
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 14 Nov 1994 22:02:43 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Brian Hall <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: "Get Terminology" event question

>While on the subject, I noticed something I thought was kind of odd over the
>weekend. I have a background only scriptable app. I was sending it some
>events from a script running on another machine across the network, and at
>the same time snooping through the app's memory with Zone Ranger. All of a
>sudden I noticed a Handle with my aete resource in it loaded into my Heap. I
>don't support the get terminology event though. Is it possible that the
>System, or the AppleEvent manager loaded this thing into MY heap? After that
>I went and marked the thing purgeable since if it was going to be happening
>on a regular basis, without me knowing, I didn't want it hanging around when
>I needed the memory for something else. But Jon is saying I shouldn't mark it
>purgeable.

Don't.  It will really confuse Script Editor.

It used to be that an app had to support the "Get Terminology" event if
people were to be able to write:
tell application "foo" of machine "bar"
  whatever
end tell

So that SE could syntax check.

I dont' know of any apps that *so* support this event, so as a scripter you
had some unsavory ways to work around this problem.

System 7.5 to the rescue:
It seems that the version of AppleScript that ships with 7.5 must install a
system wide handler for this event, so even if the target app *does not*
support the GT event, the extension will suck the resource out the app and
pass it back for you. This is mostly a good thing.  The only apps that
should mind are those that have dynamic 'aete' - and are there any yet?

A side effect of this may be that if the app *is running* on that remote
machine, perhaps it would load the resource in that heap? (A guess)

__________________________________________________________________________
Mark/Space Softworks                                    voice 408-293-7299
111 West Saint John, 2nd Floor                            fax [phone]
San Jose, CA 95113                                        bbs 408-293-7290

Macintosh connectivity software:               Internet: [e-mail]
Communicate, CTB Tools, PageNOW!                 AppleLink, AOL: MARKSPACE
                  Goodies at ftp.netcom.com in pub/mspace
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 15 Nov 1994 03:14:41 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         John Dunning <[e-mail]>
Subject:      MountVolume documentation?

I need to mount a disk in a script.  I've seen the MountVolume command in
some scripts posted here, but I can't find any information on it in the
documentation I have (Language Guide, Tao of AS).  I've got the Scriptable
Finder, but the command doesn't seem to be in its dictionary.  What
scripting addition do I need to use MountVolume?

On a related note, is there any way to determine which dictionary a
particular command is in when it's entered into the Script Editor?

Thanks,


John

______________________________________________________________________________
John Dunning                                    [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 15 Nov 1994 00:15:58 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Get a life, Jon.

WalrathW <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>> >Yeah, Jon, Get a life! ....  ;-)
>>
>> I've got one.  I just spent opening day at Squaw Valley amidst a very nice
>> snowstorm and plenty of powder.  It's about the only pasttime better than
>> hacking.  ;)
>
>But you undoubtedly took your PB with you, didn't you, just in case you
>couldn't find any action in the bars!  ;-)  I remember an old message you
>sent where you were sitting in a bar watching the SuperBowl and working on
>your popup menu XCMD....  I've hacked on planes, in parks, and moving
>vehicles (when someone else was driving), but not yet in a bar. That would
>surely blow my cover! :)

My cover was blown years ago.  The real warning sign is that you remember
that incident though.  I'd banged my knee on a late afternoon mogul the day
before at Mount Rose, so I was hanging out in the bar at Alpine Meadows
(right next to Squaw) while my friends skied.  I thought the weirdest part
was how normal it all was.  No one even blinked.  The young lady sitting
next to me even remarked that my PowerBook 140 was "fresh".  Not these
days.  :(  I wonder what she'd think of my clear cased Newton.

For the record though, I had no computer with me this time.  ;)

Jon

PS

Just so that this meets the charter, I'm now working out how to run
AppleScripts from my Newton.  The real trick will be to get a beaming
station for my Mac.
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 15 Nov 1994 00:16:05 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: "Get Terminology" event question

>What's the story here?

Both Lawrence and John mentioned most of these points, but I wrote this up
before I read their replies and I have a couple of little things to add.
Besides, repetition improves comprehension.  ;)

Here's the story.  AppleScript wants your aete so that it can compile your
AppleScripts.  It calls OSAGetAppTerminology which returns a copy of your
aete resource.  How does it get this?

If you aren't running and are on the same machine, AppleScript opens your
app up and simply snags the appropriate aete resource and returns that.
The real trick comes if you are running or if you are on another machine.
Then it sends a GetTerminology event to your app.  Since you have never
heard of this event, your app returns errAEEventNotHandled, and the system
handler that AppleScript installed gets called.  Since it is running in
your app, it simply calls GetResource and it has your aete.  It returns the
aete and goes back to wherever uncalled handlers hang out.

So, yes, your aete can be loaded into memory at any time.  Yes, you should
make it purgeable to minimize this potential memory problem.  BUT, there is
a bug in the Script Editor where you get a blank dictionary window
sometimes when viewing a purgeable aete.  This leads me to recommend not
making your aete purgeable until there is a fix for this.  Some might
consider that fix to be a different script editor, and that's one of my
choices, but apps for distribution probably should expect to have their
aete resources loaded.

As I noted though, there are a number of apps which have purgeable aete
resources, including Apple's Hypercard and PhotoFlash, so you'd be in good
company.  The point of my note which started this was to remind any
developers reading that they should be able to deal with a purgeable handle
there.  I think it's a better solution that marking all aete resources as
unpurgeable.

The real problem with this system handler technique is that it's a great
way for a virus to infect a program since most virus checkers won't spot
this "legal" resource call which an app appears to be making on itself.  It
would still have to get loaded and run first though.

Jon
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 15 Nov 1994 08:39:11 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MountVolume documentation?
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Tue, 15 Nov 94 03:14:41 EST"

John,

>I need to mount a disk in a script.  I've seen the MountVolume command in
>some scripts posted here, but I can't find any information on it in the
>documentation I have (Language Guide, Tao of AS).  I've got the Scriptable
>Finder, but the command doesn't seem to be in its dictionary.  What
>scripting addition do I need to use MountVolume?

You'll find MountVol on gaea.kgs.ukans.edu in

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/osaxen/MountVolosax.hqx

>On a related note, is there any way to determine which dictionary a
>particular command is in when it's entered into the Script Editor?

You can search through all of your osaxen individual or use the EightyLister
osaxen to build an inventory of your osaxen. You'll also find a database of
commands which might contain it. It's in

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/osaxen/OSAXenDB.sit.hqx

The database requires FileMaker Pro.

Cheers.

pf
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Date:         Tue, 15 Nov 1994 15:57:21 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Martin Jean <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Unable to open dictionnary

I am new to AppleScript and I have a problem. When I choose the "Open
Dictionnary ..." in the File menu of Script Editor, I get an error message
that said "Could not read the dictionnary of the application of extension
because the required resources were not found."

What do I need to be able to open dictionnaries.

BTW, I got AppleScript 1.0 from Goodman's book, and I found a copy of
version 1.1. What are the differences? Could it explain my problem (I think
it workd well with version 1.0)?

Thank you

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Date:         Tue, 15 Nov 1994 09:03:29 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mike Cohen <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Get a life, Jon.

At 12:15 AM 11/15/94, Jon Pugh wrote:
>
>My cover was blown years ago.  The real warning sign is that you remember
>that incident though.  I'd banged my knee on a late afternoon mogul the day
>before at Mount Rose, so I was hanging out in the bar at Alpine Meadows
>(right next to Squaw) while my friends skied.  I thought the weirdest part
>was how normal it all was.  No one even blinked.  The young lady sitting
>next to me even remarked that my PowerBook 140 was "fresh".  Not these
>days.  :(  I wonder what she'd think of my clear cased Newton.
>
I don't ski, but I've heard that the area we're moving to in Wyoming has
great skiing.

>For the record though, I had no computer with me this time.  ;)
>
>Jon
>
>PS
>
>Just so that this meets the charter, I'm now working out how to run
>AppleScripts from my Newton.  The real trick will be to get a beaming
>station for my Mac.

There's a product (I forget the name offhand, but there was an article
about it in the last issue of PIE Developer) that lets you imbed
AppleScripts in a newton app and run it through a server running on a mac.
You can also use my company's Flash-Data to trigger an AppleScript in
Flash-Link.

_______________________________________________________________
Mike Cohen           | ISIS International
[phone] Voice | [e-mail]           | ALink: D6734
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Home Page: ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/isis/home.html
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 15 Nov 1994 12:24:10 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Hadfield <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Sending raw events to FaceSpan

Excuse the repeat of this question but I have still not been able to find
an answer and wanted to take a shot at asking again:

Does anyone know if FaceSpan can receive raw apple events (by raw I mean
the kind sent from Filemaker ie. an event class and an event id)?

I can send event from Filemaker to an applet created with the script editor
but not to an applet created with FaceSpan.

Any help our suggestions would be most appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

Mark Hadfield
[e-mail]
The Hospital For Sick Children
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 15 Nov 1994 09:26:26 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: "Get Terminology" event question

At 22:02 11/14/94, Brian Hall wrote:
>It seems that the version of AppleScript that ships with 7.5 must install a
>system wide handler for this event, so even if the target app *does not*
>support the GT event, the extension will suck the resource out the app and
>pass it back for you. This is mostly a good thing.  The only apps that
>should mind are those that have dynamic 'aete' - and are there any yet?

It's a standard system handler, which only gets called if the application
says it didn't handle the getAETE event (errAEEventNotHandled).  So it
doesn't get in the way of applications which do handle the event.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 15 Nov 1994 12:50:26 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         John Schettino <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Sending raw events to FaceSpan

>Excuse the repeat of this question but I have still not been able to find
>an answer and wanted to take a shot at asking again:
>
>Does anyone know if FaceSpan can receive raw apple events (by raw I mean
>the kind sent from Filemaker ie. an event class and an event id)?
>
>I can send event from Filemaker to an applet created with the script editor
>but not to an applet created with FaceSpan.
>
>Any help our suggestions would be most appreciated.
>Thanks in advance.

well, you have the seeds to a work-around!

Just make an applet in AppleScript to receive these events, and then send
them to the FaceSpan app via "tell" statements... that should work.

- john

-----------------------------------------
[e-mail]             GTE Laboratories
John Schettino                Waltham, MA
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 15 Nov 1994 10:03:37 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Frontier: dialog.runModeless question

Hi,

So I wanted my Frontier customStartup script, which usually asks if I want
Eudora started, to automatically answer in the affirmative if I haven't
responded in thirty seconds. No problem, eh? Just take the code used in
dialog.twoWay and duplicate it using dialog.runModeless instead of
dialog.run. The problem is that dialog.run is kind enough to center the
dialog in the screen when it draws it, but dialog.runModeless puts it up at
0,0. What now, John? By the way, I'm on a Duo, so the screen bounds change
depending on whether it's docked or undocked. Thanks.

    David

David Lewis     Seagate Technology      [phone]  [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 15 Nov 1994 13:52:14 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         flip <[e-mail]>
Subject:      FMP & Picture Fields

>Date:    Sat, 12 Nov 1994 09:41:31 -0500
>From:    Charles Bruce Pelto <[e-mail]>
>Subject: FMP & Picture Fields
>
>How does one get a picture field out of FMP in an applescript?
>
>I've tried this with...
>
>tell application "FileMaker Pro"
>     copy cellValue of cell "Picture" to thePicture
>end tell
>
>...which doesn't work.

You need to write a script within FileMaker that will copy the
pict file to the clipboard.

>From AppleScript write:
tell application "FileMaker Pro"
        activate
        Do Script FileMaker Script "Copy Picture"
end tell
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Date:         Tue, 15 Nov 1994 12:00:17 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Tim Neese <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Listserv scripts on the Mac

Hello,

Someone recently asked on the info-mac list about being able to provide
listserv email list management and processing on the Mac.  While I haven't
seen anything to do this (at least in shareware), it occurred to me that
with the latest 1.0b8 version of MailShare, a freeware POP email server for
the mac, that this might be possible through some scripting, so I thought I
would run this by you and see if anyone has worked on this.

MailShare 1.0b8 has added an option to be able to save messages coming into
an address as files, which in combination with Folder Watcher (watches a
folder and runs an Applescript when it changes), AppleScript, System 7.5
(for the scriptable Finder, otherwise pre-7.5 Finder osaxen like Finder
Liaison with Sys 7.1), and Eudora (or TCP/IP Applescript kit to send
messages and files out), should make it possible to provide automated list
serving and processing on the Mac.

I would envision this working so that you had an account like 'listserv'
and mail sent to it would be automatically dumped into a folder.  Whenever
mail came into that folder, Folder Watcher would then run a listserv
Applescript that read in the file and either added a person to a list,
deleted them from a list, or mailed back the info file for a particular
list.  You could even create an Applescript to create email digests for
lists by concatenating email messages sent to a list (by having an address
on the MailShare server subscribed to the list and saving the messages to
files) into a file and then mailing that file out to the digest list at the
end of each day.  Adding names to a list file wouldn't seem to be that hard
since you're just concatenating them onto an existing file.  Deleting them
would be trickier because you need to be able to delete them from in the
middle of the file, but I think there would be ways to do this reasonably
efficiently.

Although it wouldn't be trivial to create these scripts, once created, they
shouldn't be too hard to setup.  In the long run, though, it would be
better to see this as part of MailShare itself (which the author has talked
about doing), so there wouldn't be so much dependence on external
applications and scripts, which are bound to jam up on occasion.  When it's
all said and done, however, the question of performance will still remain.
My intuitive sense is that it would be adequate for lists in the less than
200 subscriber range but would bog down beyond that, but this is just pure
speculation on my part.

I would like to play around with this but am pretty new to Applescript and
don't have much time to devote to it, so if any Applescript wizards would
happen to want to sharpen their skills on this, I'm sure there would be
many grateful folks on the net who would greatly appreciate the convenience
of automated listserv managed lists for small groups with the Macintosh
ease of setup and maintenance.

Does anyone have any feedback or suggestions on how this could be done
better on a Mac or things that I've overlooked that I should consider
before spending time on playing around with scripts to do this?

Thanks.
Tim
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 15 Nov 1994 15:19:51 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Jokinen <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re(2): Get a life, Jon.

Jon wrote:
>Just so that this meets the charter, I'm now working out how to run
>AppleScripts from my Newton.  The real trick will be to get a beaming
>station for my Mac.

For an encore, I'd like to see you run NewtonScripts from your Mac. Kind of
like picking up your VCR and using the corner of it to press buttons on your
TV remote. :)

David Jokinen
Ground Zero Software
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 15 Nov 1994 16:05:49 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jonathan Donald <[e-mail]>
Subject:      FMP TImeout Problem!

IUm working on a fairly large & involved AppleScript that manipulates
data in several FileMaker Pro files. It all seems to work really well, except
for one niggling--and highly frustrating--problem:

When I try to obtain the number of records in the current found set,
the event never resolves; instead, after a minute or so, I get an RAppleEvent
timed outS dialog box.

The problem line is:

        set rCount to (Count of Layout 1 of Window 1 Class Record)--times
out

IUve tried it with long time outs and it just doesnUt do any good.

My environment:
Quadra 700, System 7.1.1
Script Editor 1.1
FileMaker Pro 2.1v3
AppleScript 1.1
Inline Filter 1.1


Please help!!!


FYI: I had the same problem when I ran a FileMaker Script from my
AppleScript that did a Find All. When I replaced that call with a simple
AppleScript Tshow every record,U it no longer timed out.
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 10:29:43 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Chris Latta <[e-mail]>
Subject:      wp 3.x exporting

Has any one scripted wordperfect 3.0 or 3.1 to save a file as rtf or wp5.1
 export.  I can do it by telling wordperfect to run a macro that I have created
 but It would be great to do it all by applescript.

Thanks in advance

Chris Latta
Ed Tech Unit
Otago Polytechnic
New Zealand
"The only stupid questions are the ones I ask!"
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Date:         Tue, 15 Nov 1994 17:12:00 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Andrew Johnston <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Sending raw events to Fa

        Reply to:   RE>Sending raw events to FaceSpan

Hi,

Mark Hadfield <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Does anyone know if FaceSpan can receive raw apple events (by raw I mean
> the kind sent from Filemaker ie. an event class and an event id)?

> I can send event from Filemaker to an applet created with the script editor
> but not to an applet created with FaceSpan.

I tried this out, and ran into the same difficulty you had. Events that I
composed with the double-pointy-thing notation (eg: <<event clasidid>>)
didn't seem to get handled by FaceSpan. Not only that, but it wasn't passing
them on to the script component to let it try to handle them.

This struck me as odd, because other events (calls to osaxen and other
system-
handled events) had to make it. So I tried a 'custom' event with an event
class of 'aevt'. Ta da! It worked.

That's the secret: use an event class of 'aevt'. You could also try class
'syso', but I noticed some wierd behaviour when I tried this out, so I would
not advise it.

Hope that helps (and thanks for asking cool questions),
  Andrew
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Andrew T. Johnston  |
Apple Canada, Inc.  |  Who else would claim these opinions as his own?
[e-mail]  |
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Date:         Tue, 15 Nov 1994 17:19:08 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kyraden <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Unable to open dictionnary

>I am new to AppleScript and I have a problem. When I choose the "Open
>Dictionnary ..." in the File menu of Script Editor, I get an error message
>that said "Could not read the dictionnary of the application of extension
>because the required resources were not found."
>
>What do I need to be able to open dictionnaries.
>
>BTW, I got AppleScript 1.0 from Goodman's book, and I found a copy of
>version 1.1. What are the differences? Could it explain my problem (I think
>it workd well with version 1.0)?
>
>Thank you
>
>----------------------------------------------------------
>Martin Jean                                 ------------
You need v1.1 of the Script Editor *and* AppleScript.

| Jaeson M. Engle    ||    [e-mail]  |
         www server: http://josaiah.sewanee.edu/
        Elomense(MUD): josaiah.sewanee.edu 1999 )
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Date:         Tue, 15 Nov 1994 15:55:28 PST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Lawrence Wood <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FMP Repeating Fields and Excel WorkSheets

Hi,
      Try the following (a quote from MS tech support that I have
twiddled with a bit)
BEGIN twiddled QUOTE
I begin with Excel 4.0, which does not support moving the contents of
the list with one statement, unlike Excel 5.0.

tell application "Microsoft Excel"
        activate

        set talley to {5, 6, 7, 8}
        set myrow to 2

        set selection to Cell 1 of Row myrow

        make new Row -- activecell at this point is first column of new row

        repeat with i in talley
                set value of Cell "rc" to i
                set selection to Cell "rc[1]"
        end repeat

end tell

And here is the Excel 5.0 version, which allows you to move the whole
list in one statement.  Pay attention to the trick at the bottom that
transposes a vertical array into a horizontal one.

tell application "Microsoft Excel"

        set talley to {5, 6, 7, 8}
        set myrow to 2

        Insert Row myrow -- Excel 5.0 syntax to insert a row at row 2
        set numCols to count of talley
        set Value of Cell ("r" & myrow & "c1:r" & myrow & "c" & numCols) to
{talley} -- won't work in 4.0
        (*
        note: {talley} is a trick to take the list talley, which would enter exc
el
                        as a vertical array, and place it within a list, the eff
ect of which
                        is to flip it into a horizontal array
        *)
end tell


Hope this helps,
END QUOTE
lw
----------
From: Charles Bruce Pelto  <[e-mail]>
To: Multiple recipients of list MACSCRPT  <[e-mail]>
Subject: FMP Repeating Fields and Excel WorkSheets
Date:  Nov 12, 94 9:41AM

Speaking of repeating fields...

....I'm trying to figure out how to take the data from a repeating field and
stuff it into an Excel worksheet as a row.

I am using

tell application "FileMaker Pro"
     copy cellValue of cell "Repeating Field" to theRepeatingField
end tell

-- this gets the information from the repeating field as a list


tell application "Microsoft Excel"
     make new row at row r with data theRepeatingField
end tell

-- this gets me an error that reads Excel cannot continue -10000

I've called MS tech support and they've not been able to tell me what I
should be doing.
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Date:         Tue, 15 Nov 1994 16:52:36 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Doug Baron <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Listserv scripts on the Mac

>Someone recently asked on the info-mac list about being able to provide
>listserv email list management and processing on the Mac.  While I haven't
>seen anything to do this (at least in shareware), it occurred to me that
>with the latest 1.0b8 version of MailShare, a freeware POP email server for
>the mac, that this might be possible through some scripting, so I thought I
>would run this by you and see if anyone has worked on this.
>
>       .....
>
>Does anyone have any feedback or suggestions on how this could be done
>better on a Mac or things that I've overlooked that I should consider
>before spending time on playing around with scripts to do this?
>

My only suggestion would be that you might use Frontier. I know that Dave
Winer has implemented pretty much what you descibe with just Frontier and
Eudara alone. No need for the scriptable finder, osax, or anything else to
get the job done.

Doug
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Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 12:35:55 +1100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jeremy Peter Howard <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: My first question...
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]> from "rD>" at
              Nov 13, 94 01:19:04 am

> The global and the _on idle_ commands I got from someone's advice.
> I have the TAO... and it does not cover these functions, yet in a FAQ I
> read that this book includes the full language.  Apparently not.
> I also read that AS has some stuff that is hard to find out about!
>
> This script works, but I don't know where to make the repeat loop.
> I have a feeling that the whole thing could be rewritten and made better,
> but this is my first (ambitious) script.

It would take a fair while to explain how all this works. It would be
better if you got hold of the "AppleScript Language Reference" (Addison
Wesley) and read about the idle handler there.

If you're serious about AppleScripting, you need this book. It also comes
with the AppleScript CD (along with FaceSpan, distribution license, and
other stuff...)

You don't need a repeat loop--a stay-open script will run an idle handler
every period returned by its 'Return' parameter.

You don't need a run handler. Commands outside a handler are assumed to be
for the run event.

Hope this helps,


/==============================\
| Jeremy P. Howard              |       "Logic must take care of itself."
| [e-mail]  |        Ludwig Wittgenstein
\==============================/         Tractatus Logico-Philisophicus
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Date:         Tue, 15 Nov 1994 20:43:46 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jay Thomas <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Listserv scripts on the Mac

>>Someone recently asked on the info-mac list about being able to provide
>>listserv email list management and processing on the Mac.  While I haven't
>>seen anything to do this (at least in shareware), it occurred to me that
>>with the latest 1.0b8 version of MailShare, a freeware POP email server for
>>the mac, that this might be possible through some scripting, so I thought I
>>would run this by you and see if anyone has worked on this.
>>
>>       .....
>>
>>Does anyone have any feedback or suggestions on how this could be done
>>better on a Mac or things that I've overlooked that I should consider
>>before spending time on playing around with scripts to do this?
>>
>
>My only suggestion would be that you might use Frontier. I know that Dave
>Winer has implemented pretty much what you descibe with just Frontier and
>Eudara alone. No need for the scriptable finder, osax, or anything else to
>get the job done.
>
>Doug

where can i get this? does it work with the frontier runtime.
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Date:         Tue, 15 Nov 1994 17:41:55 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Frontier: dialog.runModeless question

>Hi,
>
>So I wanted my Frontier customStartup script, which usually asks if I want
>Eudora started, to automatically answer in the affirmative if I haven't
>responded in thirty seconds. No problem, eh? Just take the code used in
>dialog.twoWay and duplicate it using dialog.runModeless instead of
>dialog.run. The problem is that dialog.run is kind enough to center the
>dialog in the screen when it draws it, but dialog.runModeless puts it up at
>0,0. What now, John? By the way, I'm on a Duo, so the screen bounds change
>depending on whether it's docked or undocked. Thanks.

Hi, David...
   In probing here, it appears that you can adjust the rectangle in the
DLOG resource, and have an effect on where the dialog will be displayed.
If I put the dialog "fairly far to the right and down", dialog.runModeless
places it a little up and left from where dialog.run does.  If I build the
DLOG resource so that its top left is 0,0, that's where dialog.runModeless
places it.

  --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
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Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 00:11:22 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: "Get Terminology" event question

Brian Hall <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>It used to be that an app had to support the "Get Terminology" event if
>people were to be able to write:
>tell application "foo" of machine "bar"
>  whatever
>end tell
>
>So that SE could syntax check.

I don't recall this ever being the case.  Most likely you didn't have
AppleScript installed on the remote machine.  I'm pretty sure that you need
to have AppleScript there so that it has the system GetTerminology handler
installed.  I suppose implementing one would work, but it's not the
simplest solution.  ;)

>System 7.5 to the rescue:
>It seems that the version of AppleScript that ships with 7.5 must install a
>system wide handler for this event, so even if the target app *does not*
>support the GT event, the extension will suck the resource out the app and
>pass it back for you. This is mostly a good thing.  The only apps that
>should mind are those that have dynamic 'aete' - and are there any yet?

AppleScript has always implemented this scheme.  System 7.5 had no changes
to AppleScript (well, OK, they recompiled it with a VERY minor Script
Editor WorldScript bug fix).

Also, as we were discussing a few days ago, Quark is the only app I know
which supports dynamic terminologies, but I have yet to see an extension
which has a dictionary.

>A side effect of this may be that if the app *is running* on that remote
>machine, perhaps it would load the resource in that heap? (A guess)

I believe that you MUST have the remote app running in order to script it.
Someone needs to be the target of the GetTerminology event.  As I stated
before, the resource gets loaded, detatched and returned (copied) in the
GetTerminology reply.  The original should be purgeable, but I don't think
it gets marked so by AppleScript (this is a good thing for the
investigative among you to check).

Jon
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Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 00:11:25 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Sending raw events to FaceSpan

Andrew Johnston <[e-mail]> said:
>
>Mark Hadfield <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> Does anyone know if FaceSpan can receive raw apple events (by raw I mean
>> the kind sent from Filemaker ie. an event class and an event id)?
>
>> I can send event from Filemaker to an applet created with the script editor
>> but not to an applet created with FaceSpan.
>
>I tried this out, and ran into the same difficulty you had. Events that I
>composed with the double-pointy-thing notation (eg: <<event clasidid>>)
>didn't seem to get handled by FaceSpan. Not only that, but it wasn't passing
>them on to the script component to let it try to handle them.
>
>This struck me as odd, because other events (calls to osaxen and other
>system-
>handled events) had to make it. So I tried a 'custom' event with an event
>class of 'aevt'. Ta da! It worked.
>
>That's the secret: use an event class of 'aevt'. You could also try class
>'syso', but I noticed some wierd behaviour when I tried this out, so I would
>not advise it.

I can explain all of this.  FaceSpan registers its events in suites.  So,
it registers handlers for 'aevt****', 'core****' and 'misc****', among
others.  Thus, the custom event you were trying to accept wouldn't have a
handler installed for it.  If you made it fall into one of these suites, it
would have a handler installed, although there's no guarentee that an app
will do anything sensible with the event once the handler got it.

I would have expected that applets would do the same thing that Hypercard
does, which is to install a '********' handler and just deal with whatever
comes in.  They don't though.  They register a quit event and install a
phac handler (that's the AEInstallSpecialHandler with keyPreDispatch which
equals 'phac' and is not named after Phac Le Tuan).  This phac handler gets
every event BEFORE it gets sent to its proper handler.  I don't know why
its done this way, but I'll see if I can find out.  It's probably just a
dispatch optimization.

As a final note, the reason why 'syso' events go weird is that the "choose
folder" osax registers as the 'syso****' handler.  This means that any
events with class 'syso' and are not handled by an explicit handler, get
sent there and you get the Choose Folder dialog.  I think this might
qualify as a bug.  Someone should try finding the "choose folder" event in
the aete and change the osax name to match that and see if it still works.
I wonder if there are any other 'syso' events that it handles.  Time to
snoop the code, I guess.  ;)

Jon
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Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 00:15:34 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Listserv scripts on the Mac

>Hello,
>
>Someone recently asked on the info-mac list about being able to provide
>listserv email list management and processing on the Mac.  While I haven't
>seen anything to do this (at least in shareware), it occurred to me that
>with the latest 1.0b8 version of MailShare, a freeware POP email server for
>the mac, that this might be possible through some scripting, so I thought I
>would run this by you and see if anyone has worked on this.

This is the sort of largish job I would tend to do with Frontier, rather
than with AppleScript.  [Eudora would be fine as the mailing application.]
Several of Frontier's capabilities make sense here (your list might be an
outline in the Frontier database, rather than a separate text file.  The
outline editor in Frontier is nicely scriptable.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
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Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 00:37:09 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Alex L. Bangs" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 13 Nov 1994 to 14 Nov 1994

>From:    Deirdre Saoirse-Savino <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Accessing the OSA from C
>
>OK, I see the book on how to do the OSACompile and all that.
>
>How do I check if these traps are available? There doesn't seem to be a
>Gestalt selector for same, nor can I find a way of checking directly.

I wondered the same when I first tried to do this... when you try to
open the component, it will return NULL if there is no component. I don't
know if this works on System 6, but on System 7, it will return NULL if
AppleScript is not installed. I don't know if there is a Gestalt call
for the Component Manager...

ex.
gScriptingComponent = OpenDefaultComponent(kOSAComponentType,
                                             kAppleScriptSubtype);

To check if AppleScript loaded (later in program) ...

if (gScriptingComponent != NULL)
{
... do OSAExecute, etc.
}

BTW, a good article/sample to use if you are trying to get started with OSA
calls is in Apple's "develop" magazine, issue 18 (June 1994): "Programming
for Flexibility: The Open Scripting Architecture" by Paul G. Smith.

Re: the comment "The Gestalt selector is gestaltAppleEventsAttr ('evnt')",
that will tell you if AppleEvents are present, but not if AppleScript is...


-- Alex
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Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 04:34:15 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Jokinen <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re(2): Listserv scripts on the Mac

>Someone recently asked on the info-mac list about being able to provide
>listserv email list management and processing on the Mac.  While I haven't
>seen anything to do this (at least in shareware), it occurred to me that
>with the latest 1.0b8 version of MailShare, a freeware POP email server for
>the mac, that this might be possible through some scripting, so I thought I
>would run this by you and see if anyone has worked on this.

I, too, would like to offer a Macintosh-based list server. In fact, I would
very much like to get involved in creating it.

I wonder what would happen if we were to try this instead via PowerTalk
gateways, which will offer the potential for a multi-system listserv
(probably the world's first!) The concept of messages coming in and going out
via any combination of carriers is exciting, especially when you consider
that PowerTalk automatically delivers messages in the best possible format,
not the least common format.

To my knowledge, gateways currently exist for: Internet, CompuServe, MSMail,
QuickMail, PowerShare, Direct AppleTalk, Direct Dialup, fax and pagers. The
Internet one, in particular, is a dream. I heartily recommend Mail*Link
PT/INET from StarNine. Its handling of enclosures is totally transparent,
plus you get to use all the fancy address catalogs.

So the plan would be: incoming->PowerShare->AOCE
daemon->PowerShare->outgoing, with either Frontier or AppleScript controlling
the daemon. PowerRules (now owned by Banyan) was a first attempt in the
daemon area, but I know something better is possible. Just look at the sheer
size of "Inside Macintosh: AOCE Application Interfaces." :)

David Jokinen
Ground Zero Software
[e-mail]
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Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 10:44:50 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Chris Remie <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Newbie on Timer function

Hi,
I'm new here so have mercy.
Is there a way to make a script that performs a task at a certain time every
 day?
Thanks,
Chris Remie

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Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 08:36:40 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Gary Morrison <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

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Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 08:43:23 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Michael D. Doub" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Changing Folder and File Visibility

Is anyone aware of a osaxen that would allow you to control the visability
of a folder or a file from AppleScript?  A scriptable version of the
BlindFold application would do the trick too.  Does it exist?

Thanks
  Mike
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Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 14:23:23 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Davies <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Key presses and timing query

Sorry to ask such a basic question but can anyone tell me how to get back
which key a user has pressed from within Applescript?

While I'm at it, does anyone know of a more accurate way of timing an
operation in Applescript other than using the time to the nearest second?
Tenths of a second would be good enough.

Thanks,

David Davies
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Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 08:55:45 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Re
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Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 12:26:21 AST4ADT
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Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
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Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 11:06:23 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Hadfield <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Sending raw events to FaceSpan

Mark Asked:
>>Does anyone know if FaceSpan can receive raw apple events (by raw I mean
>>the kind sent from Filemaker ie. an event class and an event id)?
>>
>>I can send event from Filemaker to an applet created with the script editor
>>but not to an applet created with FaceSpan.
>>
>>Any help our suggestions would be most appreciated.
>>Thanks in advance.
>
John responded:
>well, you have the seeds to a work-around!
>
>Just make an applet in AppleScript to receive these events, and then send
>them to the FaceSpan app via "tell" statements... that should work.
>
>- john
>
>-----------------------------------------
>[e-mail]             GTE Laboratories
>John Schettino                Waltham, MA

Lets call a club a club - its not a work-around it a kludge!!  Funny enough
I hadn't thought of doing that.  Not a bad suggestion but not an ideal
solution for me.  I'm designing applets that are distrubuted to multiple
users in my institution.  If I told them 'well here filemaker for the
database, and here's an facespan applet to do functions that filemaker
can't do, oh and ya, here's another application...'.
I REALLY would like to avoid a scenario like that...

Mark Hadfield
[e-mail]
The Hospital For Sick Children
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Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 10:08:49 -0600
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Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: unsub
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Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 11:30:44 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Hadfield <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FMP Timeout Problem!

>IUm working on a fairly large & involved AppleScript that manipulates
>data in several FileMaker Pro files. It all seems to work really well, exce=
pt
>for one niggling--and highly frustrating--problem:
>
>When I try to obtain the number of records in the current found set,
>the event never resolves; instead, after a minute or so, I get an RAppleEve=
nt
>timed outS dialog box.
>
>The problem line is:
>
>        set rCount to (Count of Layout 1 of Window 1 Class Record)--times
>out
>
>IUve tried it with long time outs and it just doesnUt do any good.
>
>
>Please help!!!
>
>
>FYI: I had the same problem when I ran a FileMaker Script from my
>AppleScript that did a Find All. When I replaced that call with a simple
>AppleScript Tshow every record,U it no longer timed out.

The problem is not your 'set count to' command its the command that comes
before it. Let me guess- the line before it is triggering a Filemaker
script.  This is the crux of the problem:  when you trigger a filemaker
script, FM tells applescript that it is complete WHEN THE FM SCRIPT IS
TRIGGERED NOT WHEN THE FM SCRIPT IS COMPLETE.  Applescript assumes that FM
is done and issues the next event (your count records command).  FM  misses
the command and thus never responds back to it.  Applescript waits
patiently to hear back and eventually times out.  There are a couple of
ways around it, one a simple kludge, the other more industrial strength.

Simple fix:  After every 'do script filemaker script' do a repeat loop long
enough to ensure the FM script will be finished executing.

The simple fix is just that simple - but can cause problems if the script
is running on slower machines or if the type of FM script that is called
can have varying length of runs (ie. most take 3 seconds but one big one
takes 50 seconds - you would have to set the repeat loop to last 50 seconds
even though most are only 3 seconds...).

Industrial Strength fix:  In every filemaker script that is called from
applescript add a 'send apple event...' command and the end of the script.
Set the event class to FMPX. Set the event ID to DONE. Then add the
following code to your applescript:

property okContinue : false

on =ABevent FMPXDONE=BB
        set okContinue to true
end =ABevent FMPXDONE=BB


on foo()
tell application "Filemaker Pro"
Do Script FileMaker Script "whatever script you want"
  if (my canIcontinue()) is false then display dialog "Did not hear from FM
or FM script took too long to run"
count class record
.
.
.
end tell
end foo


on canIcontinue()
        global okContinue
        local startTime
        set startTime to current date
        repeat until ((current date) - (startTime)) > 200
-- how many seconds to you want to wait to hear back from Filemaker?
                if okContinue is true then
                        set okContinue to false
                        set startTime to current date -- a small delay to
ensure FM is ready
                        repeat until ((current date) - (startTime)) > 1
                        end repeat
                        return true
                end if
        end repeat
        set okContinue to false
        return false
end canIcontinue

Its much more complex but is dynamic: if the FM script only takes 4 seconds
to run applescript will be issuing the next command 5 or 6 seconds after
the FM script was called.  If the FM script takes 130 seconds to run
applescript will be issuing the next command 131 or 132 seconds later.



Mark Hadfield
[e-mail]
The Hospital For Sick Children
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 11:41:12 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Hadfield <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Sending raw events to Fa

>>I wrote:
>> Does anyone know if FaceSpan can receive raw apple events (by raw I mean
>> the kind sent from Filemaker ie. an event class and an event id)?
>
>> I can send event from Filemaker to an applet created with the script editor
>> but not to an applet created with FaceSpan.
>
>I tried this out, and ran into the same difficulty you had. Events that I
>composed with the double-pointy-thing notation (eg: <<event clasidid>>)
>didn't seem to get handled by FaceSpan. Not only that, but it wasn't passing
>them on to the script component to let it try to handle them.
>
>This struck me as odd, because other events (calls to osaxen and other
>system-
>handled events) had to make it. So I tried a 'custom' event with an event
>class of 'aevt'. Ta da! It worked.
>
>That's the secret: use an event class of 'aevt'. You could also try class
>'syso', but I noticed some wierd behaviour when I tried this out, so I would
>not advise it.
>
>Hope that helps (and thanks for asking cool questions),
>  Andrew
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Andrew T. Johnston  |
>Apple Canada, Inc.  |  Who else would claim these opinions as his own?
>[e-mail]  |



Whoopee!! It worked!!  You are a god!  No more faceless applets for my users!!!

Mark Hadfield
[e-mail]
The Hospital For Sick Children
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 12:03:23 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Deirdre Saoirse-Savino <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Changing Folder and File Visibility

I have C code that does this; if one doesn't exist I could probably write an
osax if I knew how. :D

_Deirdre

Michael Doub asks:
> Is anyone aware of a osaxen that would allow you to
>  control the visability of a folder or a file from
>  AppleScript?  A scriptable version of the BlindFold
>  application would do the trick too.  Does it exist?
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 09:38:23 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Script Editor WorldScript bug fix?

>AppleScript has always implemented this scheme.  System 7.5 had no changes
>to AppleScript (well, OK, they recompiled it with a VERY minor Script
>Editor WorldScript bug fix).

Too minor for Power Macs -- do the earlier versions of the script editor
have the "off by n" clicking problem under script editor 1.1 or 1.0?

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 10:11:34 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Stephen Iremonger <[e-mail]>
Subject:      RE- FMP & Picture fields

        Reply to:   RE: FMP & Picture fields
tell application "FileMaker Pro"
     copy cellValue of cell "Picture" to thePicture
end tell

works fine i.e. the picture data is tored in the variable thePicture.  You
can verify this by setting this data back into the picture field in a new
record within your database.   What exactly do you want to do with the data
in thePicture after you have copied it.
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 10:24:16 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Alex L. Bangs" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      HyperCard + Excel Questions

A few questions:

(1) I've been experimenting with doing AppleScript in HyperCard. The
on-line documentation is amazingly vague about transfering data back and
forth, and provides no examples. By looking at the mail merge example
stack, I saw that they are getting HyperCard data via using HyperTalk
functions called from AppleScript. I also know I can access fields
directly.
 * Question: is there a way to get direct access to global HyperTalk variables?
    I can access them when running a script from the script editor and using
    an evaluate expression, but when I try to do this inside HyperCard as
    an AppleScript script, it doesn't work.

 * Question: is it possible to using HyperTalk "chunking" expressions from
    AppleScript? I think the answer is know but would appreciate enlightenment.
    I'm talking about things like 'the first item of line 1 of bkgnd field "x"'

(2) What my script does is take a field or variable and turn it into a 2D
    list which can then be dumped into Excel via a named range of cells.
    Here's the one line I tell Excel:
     set value of Range myRange to myArray
    The problem is it executes *really* slowly, like 1 cell per second on
    a PB 170. Any idea what's going on here.

(3) If you'd like to take pot-shots at my script, here it is:

-- this script accesses all HyperCard data via a set of
-- background HyperTalk functions -- getData*()

on mouseUp
        set saveDelim to AppleScript's text item delimiters
        set AppleScript's text item delimiters to {","}
        set nRows to getDataNRows()
        set nCols to getDataNCols()
        set myArray to {}
        repeat with r from 1 to nRows
                set rowItems to text items of getDataNthRow(r)
                set rowList to {}
                repeat with c from 1 to nCols
                        set rowList to rowList & {item c of rowItems as number}
                end repeat
                set myArray to myArray & {rowList}
        end repeat
        set AppleScript's text item delimiters to saveDelim
        set myRange to getDataRange()

        tell application "Excel"
                activate
                -- the following line runs painfully slowly!
                set value of Range myRange to myArray
        end tell
end mouseUp

Thanks!
Alex
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 13:35:10 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Aaron Brockett <[e-mail]>
Subject:      backgrounding an applescript application

I want to know how to make an applescript saved as a stay open application
stay in the background (as in, not appearing in the application menu) at
all times.

Here's what I'm trying to do: I have a little script that, if it's two
minutes after midnight, quits Filemaker Pro if it's open, opens a Filemaker
database, and then quits it. I'm doing this so that the Today function gets
recalculated every day and at a time when no one is using it so they don't
have to sit through the calculation.
Clearly, this script needs to be open at all times, and I can't trust the
users of the system not to quit it if they see it in the application menu.
Hence my question.

I tried a horrendous hack which, not surprisingly, didn't work: I opened
the size resource with ResEdit and checked the "Always Background" bit.
When launched, the script did in fact go into the background, but it also
crashed my computer when I checked the application menu.

If anyone had other ideas about how to do this, that would be appreciated
too. I tried to use Cron to do this, but couldn't for the life of me get it
to open a file. I could beep with it, flash dialogs, open a _program_,
etcetera, but I absolutely couldn't get it to open a file.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

Aaron Brockett
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 10:53:43 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 13 Nov 1994 to 14 Nov 1994

>>From:    Deirdre Saoirse-Savino <[e-mail]>
>>Subject: Accessing the OSA from C
>>
>>OK, I see the book on how to do the OSACompile and all that.
>>
>>How do I check if these traps are available? There doesn't seem to be a
>>Gestalt selector for same, nor can I find a way of checking directly.
>
>I wondered the same when I first tried to do this... when you try to
>open the component, it will return NULL if there is no component. I don't
>know if this works on System 6, but on System 7, it will return NULL if
>AppleScript is not installed. I don't know if there is a Gestalt call
>for the Component Manager...
>

The gestalt selector which lets you know whether the Component Manager is
present is gestaltComponentMgr ('cpnt'), which returns the version number
of the Component Manager (4 on my 8100 running System 7.5, your mileage may
vary).

If Component Manager is not available, the selector is not defined, and
Gestalt will return an error.

The Component Manager is available under System 6.x and System 7.0.x if and
only if QuickTime is installed*...it became part of the base System in
System 7.1

  --John

* Or a hypothetical something else which installs Component Manager in
those old Systems.  Sys 7.0 was so long ago--did AppleScript install
Component Manager, or refuse to run without it, or ...?

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 12:23:41 CST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Joshua Buysse <[e-mail]>
Organization: the Minnesota Daily
Subject:      Stack overflow error

A fairly large script that I've been working on is consistently
giving me "Stack Overflow" errors.

What can I do to get this to work inside AppleScript?  Note: the
error is occuring during a tell statement to the Finder.

Besides that, is there any way that my script can receive
notification when a volume is mounted without doing an idle loop to
watch for it?

I'm using System 7.5, with the AppleScript Scripter's kit installed.

Thanks,
Josh Buysse

CAFE Mac Client designer
University of Minnesota AIS
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 14:32:28 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jonathan Donald <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FMP Timeout Problem!


Thanks for your enlightening explanation regarding FileMaker timing out on
script calls.

IUve begun implementing the industrial-strength fix you described, but IUve
run into one problem. The apple event handler you specified doesnUt compile:

                on =ABevent FMPXDONE=BB
                        set okContinue to true
                end =ABevent FMPXDONE=BB

I get a dialog box that says: RExpected function name, command name or
function
name but found R=S.

Also, an observation (please tell me if IUm wrong):

Your technique of having the FileMaker Pro script send an FMPX/DONE event
assumes that the called script does not call subscripts that are also called
by the AppleScript.

For example, letUs say I want to call FileMaker script x, and have x confirm
its
completion by sending the DONE event. Given this scenario, I canUt call
script
x
from within script y and then call script y from my AppleScript, because the
DONE event would be sent as soon as script x is completed, not after y is
completed.



-jd
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 13:58:11 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dennis Whiteman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Key presses and timing query

> Sorry to ask such a basic question but can
> anyone tell me how to get back which key a user
> has pressed from within Applescript?

Jon's Commands 1.2 has the following event:

keys pressed: Get the keys that are currently pressed.
        keys pressed
        Result:   string  -- A list of key names.

Hope this helps.

Dennis L. Whiteman
THE ULTIMATE FREELANCER
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 12:09:04 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Gateway <sage![e-mail]>
Organization: Sage Design
Subject:      NDN: Newbie on Timer function

Sorry. Your message could not be delivered:

Message contained no valid addresses.
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 09:03:00 +1300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AOCE listservs (was Re: Listserv scripts on the Mac)

David Jokinen <[e-mail]> writes:

>I wonder what would happen if we were to try this instead via PowerTalk
>gateways, which will offer the potential for a multi-system listserv
>(probably the world's first!) The concept of messages coming in and going out
>via any combination of carriers is exciting, especially when you consider
>that PowerTalk automatically delivers messages in the best possible format,
>not the least common format.
>
>To my knowledge, gateways currently exist for: Internet, CompuServe, MSMail,
>QuickMail, PowerShare, Direct AppleTalk, Direct Dialup, fax and pagers. The
>Internet one, in particular, is a dream. I heartily recommend Mail*Link
>PT/INET from StarNine. Its handling of enclosures is totally transparent,
>plus you get to use all the fancy address catalogs.
>
>So the plan would be: incoming->PowerShare->AOCE
>daemon->PowerShare->outgoing, with either Frontier or AppleScript controlling
>the daemon. PowerRules (now owned by Banyan) was a first attempt in the
>daemon area, but I know something better is possible. Just look at the sheer
>size of "Inside Macintosh: AOCE Application Interfaces." :)

Before you get too enthused, bear in mind that the current public AOCE APIs
aren't really up to the task. PowerRules was done using APIs which were not
made generally public, because they were not guaranteed to be stable enough
for public use.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Computer Services Dept                     fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 12:27:45 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Frontier: dialog.runModeless question

>>The problem is that dialog.run is kind enough to center the
>>dialog in the screen when it draws it, but dialog.runModeless puts it up at
>>0,0. What now, John? By the way, I'm on a Duo, so the screen bounds change
>>depending on whether it's docked or undocked. Thanks.
>
>Hi, David...
>   In probing here, it appears that you can adjust the rectangle in the
>DLOG resource, and have an effect on where the dialog will be displayed.
>If I put the dialog "fairly far to the right and down", dialog.runModeless
>places it a little up and left from where dialog.run does.  If I build the
>DLOG resource so that its top left is 0,0, that's where dialog.runModeless
>places it.
>
Yeah, I can solve it in a couple of ways, all of them sub-optimal. I can
have one custom dialog file which places it off-center on one of the
screens. I can have two custom dialog files, and use the kludge of
switching between them depending on the existance of a disk I know to be
present only in the dock. (I've never figured out a gestalt selector for
the presence of a dock, but I haven't looked at the latest version of the
list.) Or I could execute this as part of the pre-display case in the
callback routine:

    KeyQuencer.doScript ("WaitWindow dialog open\rMoveWindow center")

which is visually dippy since the dialog is displayed in the wrong place
for a split second. I guess that any of them are good enough for my own
use, and I'm glad you flagged it for Doug. If there's a wish list for 4.0
still, it would be nice to have the same background timing mechanism for
dialog.run that exists for dialog.runModeless. Thanks.

    David

David Lewis     Seagate Technology      [phone]  [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 13:20:20 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Sending raw events to FaceSpan

>Mark Asked:
>>>Does anyone know if FaceSpan can receive raw apple events (by raw I mean
>>>the kind sent from Filemaker ie. an event class and an event id)?
>>>
>>>I can send event from Filemaker to an applet created with the script editor
>>>but not to an applet created with FaceSpan.
>>>
>>>Any help our suggestions would be most appreciated.
>>>Thanks in advance.
>>
>John responded:
>>well, you have the seeds to a work-around!
>>
>>Just make an applet in AppleScript to receive these events, and then send
>>them to the FaceSpan app via "tell" statements... that should work.
>>
>>- john
>>
>>-----------------------------------------
>>[e-mail]             GTE Laboratories
>>John Schettino                Waltham, MA
>
>Lets call a club a club - its not a work-around it a kludge!!  Funny enough
>I hadn't thought of doing that.  Not a bad suggestion but not an ideal
>solution for me.  I'm designing applets that are distrubuted to multiple
>users in my institution.  If I told them 'well here filemaker for the
>database, and here's an facespan applet to do functions that filemaker
>can't do, oh and ya, here's another application...'.
>I REALLY would like to avoid a scenario like that...
>

It also won't help, unless the kludge applet also translates the event into
one which you can receive in a FaceSpan applet.  But...FileMaker could send
that directly, without the kludge.  Basically, a dead end.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 13:23:30 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Stephen Iremonger <[e-mail]>
Subject:      RE-FMP Creating a new recor

                       Subject:                               Time:13:20
  OFFICE MEMO          RE:FMP Creating a new record with      Date:11/16/94
If you want to fill out all the fields in the new record then you can set the
data to layout 0 (layout 0 is a conceptual layout consisting of all the
fields defined in the database, the fields are ordered according to their
creation order).  On layouts other than layout 0 the data will also be set to
the fields according to their creation order however data will only be set
into the fields that actually exist on that layout.

Layout 0 has all fields in creation order.
Layout nth Layout has the fields that exist on that layout in creation order.

Stephen
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:31:59 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Jokinen <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re(2): FMP Timeout Problem!

Much thanks to Mark Hadfield for finally clearing up this common FileMaker
script problem. Now, could someone please clarify the meaning of the
following construct he used?

> on =ABevent FMPXDONE=BB
>         set okContinue to true
> end =ABevent FMPXDONE=BB

I presume it's some kind of AppleEvent handler, but I don't recognize the
syntax, nor could I find anything like it in the AppleScript Language Guide.

David Jokinen
Ground Zero Software
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 17:18:21 -0500
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Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
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=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 17:49:03 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Hadfield <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FMP Timeout Problem!

>Mark:
>
>Thanks for your enlightening explanation regarding FileMaker timing out on
>script calls.
>
>IUve begun implementing the industrial-strength fix you described, but IUve
>run into one problem. The apple event handler you specified doesnUt compile=
:
>
>                on =3DABevent FMPXDONE=3DBB
>                        set okContinue to true
>                end =3DABevent FMPXDONE=3DBB
>
>I get a dialog box that says: RExpected function name, command name or
>function
>name but found R=3DS.
>
>Also, an observation (please tell me if IUm wrong):
>
>Your technique of having the FileMaker Pro script send an FMPX/DONE event
>assumes that the called script does not call subscripts that are also calle=
d
>by the AppleScript.
>
>For example, letUs say I want to call FileMaker script x, and have x confir=
m
>its
>completion by sending the DONE event. Given this scenario, I canUt call
>script
>x
>from within script y and then call script y from my AppleScript, because th=
e
>DONE event would be sent as soon as script x is completed, not after y is
>completed.
>
It doesn't compile because you haven't use the chevron characers.
To create the chevron characters =AB=BB, use option-\ and shift-option-\.

As far as your other question I'm not sure what you mean but it sounds like
it should be able to be done.  Performing subscripts should not change the
equation.

Mark Hadfield
[e-mail]
The Hospital For Sick Children
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:10:10 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Matthew Frederick <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Key presses and timing query

>Sorry to ask such a basic question but can anyone tell me how to get back
>which key a user has pressed from within Applescript?

Try the Jon's Commands OSAX
(available via FTP at gaea.kgs.ukans.edu:applescript/)
It has a command called "keys pressed" that works like a charm.

>While I'm at it, does anyone know of a more accurate way of timing an
>operation in Applescript other than using the time to the nearest second?
>Tenths of a second would be good enough.

Again, Jon's Commands to the rescue -- it has a command called "the ticks"
which tells you the current value of the system's tick count, which I
believe is measured in 60ths of a second.

Boy those commands are great!

Matthew

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------
"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it -- even if I
have said
 it -- unless it agrees with your own reason and your common sense.
--The Buddha
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------
Matthew Frederick, Phoenix, Arizona, USA  ([e-mail])
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 17:52:18 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kyraden <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: backgrounding an applescript application

Get ScriptHider from the gaea ftp site.


>I want to know how to make an applescript saved as a stay open application
>stay in the background (as in, not appearing in the application menu) at
>all times.
>
>Here's what I'm trying to do: I have a little script that, if it's two
>minutes after midnight, quits Filemaker Pro if it's open, opens a Filemaker
>database, and then quits it. I'm doing this so that the Today function gets
>recalculated every day and at a time when no one is using it so they don't
>have to sit through the calculation.
>Clearly, this script needs to be open at all times, and I can't trust the
>users of the system not to quit it if they see it in the application menu.
>Hence my question.
>
>I tried a horrendous hack which, not surprisingly, didn't work: I opened
>the size resource with ResEdit and checked the "Always Background" bit.
>When launched, the script did in fact go into the background, but it also
>crashed my computer when I checked the application menu.
>
>If anyone had other ideas about how to do this, that would be appreciated
>too. I tried to use Cron to do this, but couldn't for the life of me get it
>to open a file. I could beep with it, flash dialogs, open a _program_,
>etcetera, but I absolutely couldn't get it to open a file.
>
>Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
>
>Aaron Brockett
>[e-mail]

| Jaeson M. Engle    ||    [e-mail]  |
         www server: http://josaiah.sewanee.edu/
        Elomense(MUD): josaiah.sewanee.edu 1999 )
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 15:55:24 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Doug Baron <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Listserv scripts on the Mac (Frontier)

>>
>>My only suggestion would be that you might use Frontier. I know that Dave
>>Winer has implemented pretty much what you descibe with just Frontier and
>>Eudara alone. No need for the scriptable finder, osax, or anything else to
>>get the job done.
>>
>>Doug
>
>where can i get this? does it work with the frontier runtime.

I don't know if Dave is sharing his scripts at this point. Probably not,
would be my guess. I'll ask him. But in any case, it really shouldn't be
that hard to write. It's mostly a matter of text parsing and maintaining
tables (lists). I would expect any such system to work fine with Runtime.

Doug
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 20:31:05 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kyraden <[e-mail]>
Subject:      I got this?

Any one ever gotten this from the listserv here?:

Sorry. Your message could not be delivered:
Message contained no valid addresses.

The subject line was: NDN: Newbie on Timer function
and I never sent a message like that. Any ideas?

| Jaeson M. Engle    ||    [e-mail]  |
         www server: http://josaiah.sewanee.edu/          )
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Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:03:17 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dennis Whiteman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Script Editor WorldScript bug fix?

I never noticed the problem under 7.1.2, AppleScript 1.1, and Script Editor
1.1 (or 1.1.1, which I used for a week or so), but it was one of the first
things I noticed after installed System 7.5. I'm now using B&W formatting for
my scripts, which is less informative but works better.

I've noticed something else that's strange, though it might fall under the
category of a system problem. My shared libraries, ObjectSupportLib and
AppleScriptLib have had generic icons ever since I installed System 7.5. Has
anyone else noticed this and isn't it odd?

 ------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, Thu, Nov 17, 1994 ------

Too minor for Power Macs -- do the earlier versions of the script editor
have the "off by n" clicking problem under script editor 1.1 or 1.0?

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer
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Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:22:45 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dennis Whiteman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: backgrounding an applescript application

I'm sure others here will offer better solutions, but I'm running certain
applets overnight using QuicKeys' timer function.

For instance, I have a Check Mail applet that I run at the same time every
morning. Rather than having it launch as a startup script, I opted to handle
it this way because I have three other startup scripts and wanted to give
this one full attention when it was running since they all seem to get
launced concurrently.

Also, I tried Chron when it was version 1.0 and it ran applets fine. It was
just too  unstable at that time for my uses. I should probably look at one of
the newer version because I really liked the concept.

Dennis L. Whiteman
THE ULTIMATE FREELANCER
[e-mail]

 ------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, Thu, Nov 17, 1994 ------

Here's what I'm trying to do: I have a little script that, if it's two
minutes after midnight, quits Filemaker Pro if it's open, opens a Filemaker
database, and then quits it. I'm doing this so that the Today function gets
recalculated every day and at a time when no one is using it so they don't
have to sit through the calculation.
Clearly, this script needs to be open at all times, and I can't trust the
users of the system not to quit it if they see it in the application menu.
Hence my question....

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

Aaron Brockett
[e-mail]
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Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 21:32:36 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Allan R. Crump Jr" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      OSAX source??

I am an avid learner in programming and have enjoyed every moment of
putting the finishing touches on my first application. For my next
project, I am trying to finish up my first OSAX, written in Think Pascal.
I am having a bit of trouble however, with the compiler complaining that
"THEPORT" is not defined. I have insured that all of the correct
libraries are added to the project and in the right order, and that my
syntax is correct.

Would someone (preferably a Pascal programmer) be willing to post or
forward some source code on the creation of their OSAX so I can compare and
see what I may be doing wrong ?  There seems to be little sample code in
pascal available, and I feel like I'm flying by the seat of my pants here.

Allan
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Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 23:07:52 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Script Editor WorldScript bug fix?

>>AppleScript has always implemented this scheme.  System 7.5 had no changes
>>to AppleScript (well, OK, they recompiled it with a VERY minor Script
>>Editor WorldScript bug fix).
>
>Too minor for Power Macs -- do the earlier versions of the script editor
>have the "off by n" clicking problem under script editor 1.1 or 1.0?


It's not just Script Editor which has the problem...it just shows up more
often in multi-styled lines such as scripts.  And it's not "off by one."
[Note that the farther right you click, the bigger the error, provided
there are a bunch of style runs, such as you can get by referencing a file
deep in a folder nest.]

Having noted that, select the whole script, Copy, and Paste the script into
SimpleText.  Note that the incorrect selection "follows" the script.

The fix shouldn't come from the AppleScript team...it seems to need to come
from whoever has custody of the WorldScript=81 Power Adaptor extension thing=
.
  --John

----
On my machine with my settings, this script (that reveal is all one line,
and the folder "Metrowerks..." part fits in the right edge of a wide script
editor window, and it's off by about 3 1/2 in that particular "folder":

tell application "Finder"
        reveal file "AEObjects.h" of folder "CIncludes" of folder
"AppleScript" of folder "System Extras =9F" of folder "Metrowerks C/C++ =9F"=
 of
folder "CodeWarrior" of disk "Lopez"
end tell

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
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Date:         Wed, 16 Nov 1994 23:07:56 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: backgrounding an applescript application

At 10:35 11/16/94, Aaron Brockett wrote:
>If anyone had other ideas about how to do this, that would be appreciated
>too. I tried to use Cron to do this, but couldn't for the life of me get it
>to open a file. I could beep with it, flash dialogs, open a _program_,
>etcetera, but I absolutely couldn't get it to open a file.

Cron should be able to open a Script Application, containing your script to
quit FileMaker and restart it.  [I haven't used Cron...I do things like
that with Frontier's scheduler suite (but not much, since my schedule is to
variable to know when I want what done on a hands-off basis.]

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
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Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 03:01:23 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Barry Chern <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Changing Folder and File Visibility
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

Michael Doub asks:
> Is anyone aware of a osaxen that would allow you to
>  control the visability of a folder or a file from
>  AppleScript?

One of the commands in the XCMD OSAX is "Set Show Or Hide Folder".

I don't know about doing files, however.
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 00:16:16 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: backgrounding an applescript application

Dennis Whiteman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I'm sure others here will offer better solutions, but I'm running certain
>applets overnight using QuicKeys' timer function.

I'm on it.  ;)

>For instance, I have a Check Mail applet that I run at the same time every
>morning. Rather than having it launch as a startup script, I opted to handle
>it this way because I have three other startup scripts and wanted to give
>this one full attention when it was running since they all seem to get
>launced concurrently.

The trick to avoiding the concurancy is to write a script runner.  I'm
leaving it as an exercise for the reader, but here are a few ideas.

First off, use a property to store either the scripts themselves or aliases
to the script files.  You could drop files onto the script to make it
remember them.  You could put up a dialog when you drop a file which would
allow you to delete files from the list or whatever configuration details
you might need.  This would all be done in the open handler.

Or you can simply edit all the stuff into the code, which has the benefit
of being decompilable and preconfigured.  ;)

Then in the idle handler you would step through the list and do something like:

tell item 1 of scriptList to run

for the saved script version or, for the stored alias version:

set s to load script item 1 of scriptList
tell s to run
store script s in item 1 of scriptList replacing yes

You need to save the script in case it modifies any of its properties.
This will save them onto disk, while the first version will save them, but
only within the master script file's copy.  Once again, it's your goal
which decides which way you should implement it.

You could also vary the technique to store a list of files to run a script
on, or any of a zillion permutations.  Regardless, you can put this script
into your startup folder and it will run your scripts, one at a time.

Jon
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 03:30:03 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Barry Chern <[e-mail]>
Subject:      buyer's remorse

When I heard about the System 7.5 upgrade I thought, "that sounds like a
good deal. I can get the Scriptable Finder, which I otherwise would have
to pay at least $25 for, and all that other stuff thrown in for a few
bucks more."

Now that I've been struggling to live with 7.5 for awhile, I feel I made a
bad decision. If I'd bought the Finder thingee, I would have gotten some
documentation with it and still been able to use my old system which
worked with everything I was trying to run on it. (And, yes, another $25
bucks here or there  _is_ a big deal to me. If you want to try being my
agent and making my surplus of talents a boon rather than an impediment to
my income you're welcome, otherwise keep your opinions on the value of a
dollar to yourselves.)

I'm assuming, anyway, from my one experiment with it that I _can't_ use
the Finder that came with 7.5 with my 7.1 System. It seemed to work at
first, but I couldn't move anything to or from the Desktop. Or, was that
just because my way of attempting to disable the old Finder without
actually throwing it away was to put it on the Desktop? Was that my
mistake? Is there any way of using the Scriptable Finder as it came with
7.5 with the old System.

I suppose I'll want to throw in the towel and keep living in the future,
anyway, but the Scriptable Finder is the main thing keeping me with 7.5 at
the moment, aside from the pretty little desktop pattern I doodled out
late one night. The crashes I get are so random and unreproducible, I
don't know where to begin to stabilize things. Anyone seen any
compilations of actual real figured out incompatabilities anywhere?

B.
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Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 04:02:47 -0500
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Date: Wed, Nov 16, 1994 11:00 PM
Subject: MACSCRPT Digest - 15 Nov 1994 to 16 Nov 1994
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Date      : 16-NOV-1994 23:00:23.00
There are 39 messages totalling 1233 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. "Get Terminology" event question
  2. Sending raw events to FaceSpan (3)
  3. Listserv scripts on the Mac
  4. MACSCRPT Digest - 13 Nov 1994 to 14 Nov 1994 (2)
  5. Re(2): Listserv scripts on the Mac
  6. Newbie on Timer function
  7. Re (2)
  8. Changing Folder and File Visibility (2)
  9. Key presses and timing query (3)
 10. unsub (3)
 11. FMP Timeout Problem! (3)
 12. Sending raw events to Fa
 13. Script Editor WorldScript bug fix? (2)
 14. RE- FMP & Picture fields
 15. HyperCard + Excel Questions
 16. backgrounding an applescript application (3)
 17. Stack overflow error
 18. NDN: Newbie on Timer function
 19. AOCE listservs (was Re: Listserv scripts on the Mac)
 20. Frontier: dialog.runModeless question
 21. RE-FMP Creating a new recor
 22. Re(2): FMP Timeout Problem!
 23. AAAAARRRGGGHHHH
 24. Listserv scripts on the Mac (Frontier)
 25. I got this?

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Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 00:11:22 -0800
From:    Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: "Get Terminology" event question

Brian Hall <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>It used to be that an app had to support the "Get Terminology" event if
>people were to be able to write:
>tell application "foo" of machine "bar"
>  whatever
>end tell
>
>So that SE could syntax check.

I don't recall this ever being the case.  Most likely you didn't have
AppleScript installed on the remote machine.  I'm pretty sure that you need
to have AppleScript there so that it has the system GetTerminology handler
installed.  I suppose implementing one would work, but it's not the
simplest solution.  ;)

>System 7.5 to the rescue:
>It seems that the version of AppleScript that ships with 7.5 must install a
>system wide handler for this event, so even if the target app *does not*
>support the GT event, the extension will suck the resource out the app and
>pass it back for you. This is mostly a good thing.  The only apps that
>should mind are those that have dynamic 'aete' - and are there any yet?

AppleScript has always implemented this scheme.  System 7.5 had no changes
to AppleScript (well, OK, they recompiled it with a VERY minor Script
Editor WorldScript bug fix).

Also, as we were discussing a few days ago, Quark is the only app I know
which supports dynamic terminologies, but I have yet to see an extension
which has a dictionary.

>A side effect of this may be that if the app *is running* on that remote
>machine, perhaps it would load the resource in that heap? (A guess)

I believe that you MUST have the remote app running in order to script it.
Someone needs to be the target of the GetTerminology event.  As I stated
before, the resource gets loaded, detatched and returned (copied) in the
GetTerminology reply.  The original should be purgeable, but I don't think
it gets marked so by AppleScript (this is a good thing for the
investigative among you to check).

Jon

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Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 00:11:25 -0800
From:    Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Sending raw events to FaceSpan

Andrew Johnston <[e-mail]> said:
>
>Mark Hadfield <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> Does anyone know if FaceSpan can receive raw apple events (by raw I mean
>> the kind sent from Filemaker ie. an event class and an event id)?
>
>> I can send event from Filemaker to an applet created with the script editor
>> but not to an applet created with FaceSpan.
>
>I tried this out, and ran into the same difficulty you had. Events that I
>composed with the double-pointy-thing notation (eg: <<event clasidid>>)
>didn't seem to get handled by FaceSpan. Not only that, but it wasn't passing
>them on to the script component to let it try to handle them.
>
>This struck me as odd, because other events (calls to osaxen and other
>system-
>handled events) had to make it. So I tried a 'custom' event with an event
>class of 'aevt'. Ta da! It worked.
>
>That's the secret: use an event class of 'aevt'. You could also try class
>'syso', but I noticed some wierd behaviour when I tried this out, so I would
>not advise it.

I can explain all of this.  FaceSpan registers its events in suites.  So,
it registers handlers for 'aevt****', 'core****' and 'misc****', among
others.  Thus, the custom event you were trying to accept wouldn't have a
handler installed for it.  If you made it fall into one of these suites, it
would have a handler installed, although there's no guarentee that an app
will do anything sensible with the event once the handler got it.

I would have expected that applets would do the same thing that Hypercard
does, which is to install a '********' handler and just deal with whatever
comes in.  They don't though.  They register a quit event and install a
phac handler (that's the AEInstallSpecialHandler with keyPreDispatch which
equals 'phac' and is not named after Phac Le Tuan).  This phac handler gets
every event BEFORE it gets sent to its proper handler.  I don't know why
its done this way, but I'll see if I can find out.  It's probably just a
dispatch optimization.

As a final note, the reason why 'syso' events go weird is that the "choose
folder" osax registers as the 'syso****' handler.  This means that any
events with class 'syso' and are not handled by an explicit handler, get
sent there and you get the Choose Folder dialog.  I think this might
qualify as a bug.  Someone should try finding the "choose folder" event in
the aete and change the osax name to match that and see if it still works.
I wonder if there are any other 'syso' events that it handles.  Time to
snoop the code, I guess.  ;)

Jon

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Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 00:15:34 -0800
From:    "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Listserv scripts on the Mac

>Hello,
>
>Someone recently asked on the info-mac list about being able to provide
>listserv email list management and processing on the Mac.  While I haven't
>seen anything to do this (at least in shareware), it occurred to me that
>with the latest 1.0b8 version of MailShare, a freeware POP email server for
>the mac, that this might be possible through some scripting, so I thought I
>would run this by you and see if anyone has worked on this.

This is the sort of largish job I would tend to do with Frontier, rather
than with AppleScript.  [Eudora would be fine as the mailing application.]
Several of Frontier's capabilities make sense here (your list might be an
outline in the Frontier database, rather than a separate text file.  The
outline editor in Frontier is nicely scriptable.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA

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Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 00:37:09 -0800
From:    "Alex L. Bangs" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 13 Nov 1994 to 14 Nov 1994

>From:    Deirdre Saoirse-Savino <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Accessing the OSA from C
>
>OK, I see the book on how to do the OSACompile and all that.
>
>How do I check if these traps are available? There doesn't seem to be a
>Gestalt selector for same, nor can I find a way of checking directly.

I wondered the same when I first tried to do this... when you try to
open the component, it will return NULL if there is no component. I don't
know if this works on System 6, but on System 7, it will return NULL if
AppleScript is not installed. I don't know if there is a Gestalt call
for the Component Manager...

ex.
gScriptingComponent = OpenDefaultComponent(kOSAComponentType,
                                             kAppleScriptSubtype);

To check if AppleScript loaded (later in program) ...

if (gScriptingComponent != NULL)
{
... do OSAExecute, etc.
}

BTW, a good article/sample to use if you are trying to get started with OSA
calls is in Apple's "develop" magazine, issue 18 (June 1994): "Programming
for Flexibility: The Open Scripting Architecture" by Paul G. Smith.

Re: the comment "The Gestalt selector is gestaltAppleEventsAttr ('evnt')",
that will tell you if AppleEvents are present, but not if AppleScript is...


-- Alex

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Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 04:34:15 -0500
From:    David Jokinen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re(2): Listserv scripts on the Mac

>Someone recently asked on the info-mac list about being able to provide
>listserv email list management and processing on the Mac.  While I haven't
>seen anything to do this (at least in shareware), it occurred to me that
>with the latest 1.0b8 version of MailShare, a freeware POP email server for
>the mac, that this might be possible through some scripting, so I thought I
>would run this by you and see if anyone has worked on this.

I, too, would like to offer a Macintosh-based list server. In fact, I would
very much like to get involved in creating it.

I wonder what would happen if we were to try this instead via PowerTalk
gateways, which will offer the potential for a multi-system listserv
(probably the world's first!) The concept of messages coming in and going out
via any combination of carriers is exciting, especially when you consider
that PowerTalk automatically delivers messages in the best possible format,
not the least common format.

To my knowledge, gateways currently exist for: Internet, CompuServe, MSMail,
QuickMail, PowerShare, Direct AppleTalk, Direct Dialup, fax and pagers. The
Internet one, in particular, is a dream. I heartily recommend Mail*Link
PT/INET from StarNine. Its handling of enclosures is totally transparent,
plus you get to use all the fancy address catalogs.

So the plan would be: incoming->PowerShare->AOCE
daemon->PowerShare->outgoing, with either Frontier or AppleScript controlling
the daemon. PowerRules (now owned by Banyan) was a first attempt in the
daemon area, but I know something better is possible. Just look at the sheer
size of "Inside Macintosh: AOCE Application Interfaces." :)

David Jokinen
Ground Zero Software
[e-mail]

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Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 10:44:50 +0100
From:    Chris Remie <[e-mail]>
Subject: Newbie on Timer function

Hi,
I'm new here so have mercy.
Is there a way to make a script that performs a task at a certain time every
 day?
Thanks,
Chris Remie

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Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 08:36:40 -0500
From:    Gary Morrison <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re

unsubcribe

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Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 08:43:23 -0500
From:    "Michael D. Doub" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Changing Folder and File Visibility

Is anyone aware of a osaxen that would allow you to control the visability
of a folder or a file from AppleScript?  A scriptable version of the
BlindFold application would do the trick too.  Does it exist?

Thanks
  Mike

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 14:23:23 +0000
From:    David Davies <[e-mail]>
Subject: Key presses and timing query

Sorry to ask such a basic question but can anyone tell me how to get back
which key a user has pressed from within Applescript?

While I'm at it, does anyone know of a more accurate way of timing an
operation in Applescript other than using the time to the nearest second?
Tenths of a second would be good enough.

Thanks,

David Davies

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 08:55:45 -0600
From:    Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re

>unsubcribe

Send your request to [e-mail] in the form

signoff macscrpt

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Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 12:26:21 AST4ADT
From:    [e-mail]
Subject: unsub

unsubscribe Bob LeBlanc

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Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 11:06:23 -0500
From:    Mark Hadfield <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Sending raw events to FaceSpan

Mark Asked:
>>Does anyone know if FaceSpan can receive raw apple events (by raw I mean
>>the kind sent from Filemaker ie. an event class and an event id)?
>>
>>I can send event from Filemaker to an applet created with the script editor
>>but not to an applet created with FaceSpan.
>>
>>Any help our suggestions would be most appreciated.
>>Thanks in advance.
>
John responded:
>well, you have the seeds to a work-around!
>
>Just make an applet in AppleScript to receive these events, and then send
>them to the FaceSpan app via "tell" statements... that should work.
>
>- john
>
>-----------------------------------------
>[e-mail]             GTE Laboratories
>John Schettino                Waltham, MA

Lets call a club a club - its not a work-around it a kludge!!  Funny enough
I hadn't thought of doing that.  Not a bad suggestion but not an ideal
solution for me.  I'm designing applets that are distrubuted to multiple
users in my institution.  If I told them 'well here filemaker for the
database, and here's an facespan applet to do functions that filemaker
can't do, oh and ya, here's another application...'.
I REALLY would like to avoid a scenario like that...

Mark Hadfield
[e-mail]
The Hospital For Sick Children

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Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 10:08:49 -0600
From:    Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: unsub

>unsubscribe Bob LeBlanc

Please send your request to [e-mail] in the form

signoff macscrpt

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Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 11:30:44 -0500
From:    Mark Hadfield <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: FMP Timeout Problem!

>IUm working on a fairly large & involved AppleScript that manipulates
>data in several FileMaker Pro files. It all seems to work really well, exce=
pt
>for one niggling--and highly frustrating--problem:
>
>When I try to obtain the number of records in the current found set,
>the event never resolves; instead, after a minute or so, I get an RAppleEve=
nt
>timed outS dialog box.
>
>The problem line is:
>
>        set rCount to (Count of Layout 1 of Window 1 Class Record)--times
>out
>
>IUve tried it with long time outs and it just doesnUt do any good.
>
>
>Please help!!!
>
>
>FYI: I had the same problem when I ran a FileMaker Script from my
>AppleScript that did a Find All. When I replaced that call with a simple
>AppleScript Tshow every record,U it no longer timed out.

The problem is not your 'set count to' command its the command that comes
before it. Let me guess- the line before it is triggering a Filemaker
script.  This is the crux of the problem:  when you trigger a filemaker
script, FM tells applescript that it is complete WHEN THE FM SCRIPT IS
TRIGGERED NOT WHEN THE FM SCRIPT IS COMPLETE.  Applescript assumes that FM
is done and issues the next event (your count records command).  FM  misses
the command and thus never responds back to it.  Applescript waits
patiently to hear back and eventually times out.  There are a couple of
ways around it, one a simple kludge, the other more industrial strength.

Simple fix:  After every 'do script filemaker script' do a repeat loop long
enough to ensure the FM script will be finished executing.

The simple fix is just that simple - but can cause problems if the script
is running on slower machines or if the type of FM script that is called
can have varying length of runs (ie. most take 3 seconds but one big one
takes 50 seconds - you would have to set the repeat loop to last 50 seconds
even though most are only 3 seconds...).

Industrial Strength fix:  In every filemaker script that is called from
applescript add a 'send apple event...' command and the end of the script.
Set the event class to FMPX. Set the event ID to DONE. Then add the
following code to your applescript:

property okContinue : false

on =ABevent FMPXDONE=BB
        set okContinue to true
end =ABevent FMPXDONE=BB


on foo()
tell application "Filemaker Pro"
Do Script FileMaker Script "whatever script you want"
  if (my canIcontinue()) is false then display dialog "Did not hear from FM
or FM script took too long to run"
count class record
.
.
.
end tell
end foo


on canIcontinue()
        global okContinue
        local startTime
        set startTime to current date
        repeat until ((current date) - (startTime)) > 200
-- how many seconds to you want to wait to hear back from Filemaker?
                if okContinue is true then
                        set okContinue to false
                        set startTime to current date -- a small delay to
ensure FM is ready
                        repeat until ((current date) - (startTime)) > 1
                        end repeat
                        return true
                end if
        end repeat
        set okContinue to false
        return false
end canIcontinue

Its much more complex but is dynamic: if the FM script only takes 4 seconds
to run applescript will be issuing the next command 5 or 6 seconds after
the FM script was called.  If the FM script takes 130 seconds to run
applescript will be issuing the next command 131 or 132 seconds later.



Mark Hadfield
[e-mail]
The Hospital For Sick Children

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 11:41:12 -0500
From:    Mark Hadfield <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Sending raw events to Fa

>>I wrote:
>> Does anyone know if FaceSpan can receive raw apple events (by raw I mean
>> the kind sent from Filemaker ie. an event class and an event id)?
>
>> I can send event from Filemaker to an applet created with the script editor
>> but not to an applet created with FaceSpan.
>
>I tried this out, and ran into the same difficulty you had. Events that I
>composed with the double-pointy-thing notation (eg: <<event clasidid>>)
>didn't seem to get handled by FaceSpan. Not only that, but it wasn't passing
>them on to the script component to let it try to handle them.
>
>This struck me as odd, because other events (calls to osaxen and other
>system-
>handled events) had to make it. So I tried a 'custom' event with an event
>class of 'aevt'. Ta da! It worked.
>
>That's the secret: use an event class of 'aevt'. You could also try class
>'syso', but I noticed some wierd behaviour when I tried this out, so I would
>not advise it.
>
>Hope that helps (and thanks for asking cool questions),
>  Andrew
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Andrew T. Johnston  |
>Apple Canada, Inc.  |  Who else would claim these opinions as his own?
>[e-mail]  |



Whoopee!! It worked!!  You are a god!  No more faceless applets for my users!!!

Mark Hadfield
[e-mail]
The Hospital For Sick Children

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 12:03:23 -0500
From:    Deirdre Saoirse-Savino <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Changing Folder and File Visibility

I have C code that does this; if one doesn't exist I could probably write an
osax if I knew how. :D

_Deirdre

Michael Doub asks:
> Is anyone aware of a osaxen that would allow you to
>  control the visability of a folder or a file from
>  AppleScript?  A scriptable version of the BlindFold
>  application would do the trick too.  Does it exist?

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 09:38:23 -0800
From:    Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Script Editor WorldScript bug fix?

>AppleScript has always implemented this scheme.  System 7.5 had no changes
>to AppleScript (well, OK, they recompiled it with a VERY minor Script
>Editor WorldScript bug fix).

Too minor for Power Macs -- do the earlier versions of the script editor
have the "off by n" clicking problem under script editor 1.1 or 1.0?

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 10:11:34 U
From:    Stephen Iremonger <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE- FMP & Picture fields

        Reply to:   RE: FMP & Picture fields
tell application "FileMaker Pro"
     copy cellValue of cell "Picture" to thePicture
end tell

works fine i.e. the picture data is tored in the variable thePicture.  You
can verify this by setting this data back into the picture field in a new
record within your database.   What exactly do you want to do with the data
in thePicture after you have copied it.

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 10:24:16 -0800
From:    "Alex L. Bangs" <[e-mail]>
Subject: HyperCard + Excel Questions

A few questions:

(1) I've been experimenting with doing AppleScript in HyperCard. The
on-line documentation is amazingly vague about transfering data back and
forth, and provides no examples. By looking at the mail merge example
stack, I saw that they are getting HyperCard data via using HyperTalk
functions called from AppleScript. I also know I can access fields
directly.
 * Question: is there a way to get direct access to global HyperTalk variables?
    I can access them when running a script from the script editor and using
    an evaluate expression, but when I try to do this inside HyperCard as
    an AppleScript script, it doesn't work.

 * Question: is it possible to using HyperTalk "chunking" expressions from
    AppleScript? I think the answer is know but would appreciate enlightenment.
    I'm talking about things like 'the first item of line 1 of bkgnd field "x"'

(2) What my script does is take a field or variable and turn it into a 2D
    list which can then be dumped into Excel via a named range of cells.
    Here's the one line I tell Excel:
     set value of Range myRange to myArray
    The problem is it executes *really* slowly, like 1 cell per second on
    a PB 170. Any idea what's going on here.

(3) If you'd like to take pot-shots at my script, here it is:

-- this script accesses all HyperCard data via a set of
-- background HyperTalk functions -- getData*()

on mouseUp
        set saveDelim to AppleScript's text item delimiters
        set AppleScript's text item delimiters to {","}
        set nRows to getDataNRows()
        set nCols to getDataNCols()
        set myArray to {}
        repeat with r from 1 to nRows
                set rowItems to text items of getDataNthRow(r)
                set rowList to {}
                repeat with c from 1 to nCols
                        set rowList to rowList & {item c of rowItems as number}
                end repeat
                set myArray to myArray & {rowList}
        end repeat
        set AppleScript's text item delimiters to saveDelim
        set myRange to getDataRange()

        tell application "Excel"
                activate
                -- the following line runs painfully slowly!
                set value of Range myRange to myArray
        end tell
end mouseUp

Thanks!
Alex

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 13:35:10 -0500
From:    Aaron Brockett <[e-mail]>
Subject: backgrounding an applescript application

I want to know how to make an applescript saved as a stay open application
stay in the background (as in, not appearing in the application menu) at
all times.

Here's what I'm trying to do: I have a little script that, if it's two
minutes after midnight, quits Filemaker Pro if it's open, opens a Filemaker
database, and then quits it. I'm doing this so that the Today function gets
recalculated every day and at a time when no one is using it so they don't
have to sit through the calculation.
Clearly, this script needs to be open at all times, and I can't trust the
users of the system not to quit it if they see it in the application menu.
Hence my question.

I tried a horrendous hack which, not surprisingly, didn't work: I opened
the size resource with ResEdit and checked the "Always Background" bit.
When launched, the script did in fact go into the background, but it also
crashed my computer when I checked the application menu.

If anyone had other ideas about how to do this, that would be appreciated
too. I tried to use Cron to do this, but couldn't for the life of me get it
to open a file. I could beep with it, flash dialogs, open a _program_,
etcetera, but I absolutely couldn't get it to open a file.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

Aaron Brockett
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 10:53:43 -0800
From:    "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 13 Nov 1994 to 14 Nov 1994

>>From:    Deirdre Saoirse-Savino <[e-mail]>
>>Subject: Accessing the OSA from C
>>
>>OK, I see the book on how to do the OSACompile and all that.
>>
>>How do I check if these traps are available? There doesn't seem to be a
>>Gestalt selector for same, nor can I find a way of checking directly.
>
>I wondered the same when I first tried to do this... when you try to
>open the component, it will return NULL if there is no component. I don't
>know if this works on System 6, but on System 7, it will return NULL if
>AppleScript is not installed. I don't know if there is a Gestalt call
>for the Component Manager...
>

The gestalt selector which lets you know whether the Component Manager is
present is gestaltComponentMgr ('cpnt'), which returns the version number
of the Component Manager (4 on my 8100 running System 7.5, your mileage may
vary).

If Component Manager is not available, the selector is not defined, and
Gestalt will return an error.

The Component Manager is available under System 6.x and System 7.0.x if and
only if QuickTime is installed*...it became part of the base System in
System 7.1

  --John

* Or a hypothetical something else which installs Component Manager in
those old Systems.  Sys 7.0 was so long ago--did AppleScript install
Component Manager, or refuse to run without it, or ...?

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 12:23:41 CST
From:    Joshua Buysse <[e-mail]>
Subject: Stack overflow error

A fairly large script that I've been working on is consistently
giving me "Stack Overflow" errors.

What can I do to get this to work inside AppleScript?  Note: the
error is occuring during a tell statement to the Finder.

Besides that, is there any way that my script can receive
notification when a volume is mounted without doing an idle loop to
watch for it?

I'm using System 7.5, with the AppleScript Scripter's kit installed.

Thanks,
Josh Buysse

CAFE Mac Client designer
University of Minnesota AIS

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 14:32:28 -0500
From:    Jonathan Donald <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: FMP Timeout Problem!


Thanks for your enlightening explanation regarding FileMaker timing out on
script calls.

IUve begun implementing the industrial-strength fix you described, but IUve
run into one problem. The apple event handler you specified doesnUt compile:

                on =ABevent FMPXDONE=BB
                        set okContinue to true
                end =ABevent FMPXDONE=BB

I get a dialog box that says: RExpected function name, command name or
function
name but found R=S.

Also, an observation (please tell me if IUm wrong):

Your technique of having the FileMaker Pro script send an FMPX/DONE event
assumes that the called script does not call subscripts that are also called
by the AppleScript.

For example, letUs say I want to call FileMaker script x, and have x confirm
its
completion by sending the DONE event. Given this scenario, I canUt call
script
x
from within script y and then call script y from my AppleScript, because the
DONE event would be sent as soon as script x is completed, not after y is
completed.



-jd

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 13:58:11 U
From:    Dennis Whiteman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Key presses and timing query

> Sorry to ask such a basic question but can
> anyone tell me how to get back which key a user
> has pressed from within Applescript?

Jon's Commands 1.2 has the following event:

keys pressed: Get the keys that are currently pressed.
        keys pressed
        Result:   string  -- A list of key names.

Hope this helps.

Dennis L. Whiteman
THE ULTIMATE FREELANCER
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 12:09:04 GMT
From:    Gateway <sage![e-mail]>
Subject: NDN: Newbie on Timer function

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------------------------------

Date:    Thu, 17 Nov 1994 09:03:00 +1300
From:    "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
         NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: AOCE listservs (was Re: Listserv scripts on the Mac)

David Jokinen <[e-mail]> writes:

>I wonder what would happen if we were to try this instead via PowerTalk
>gateways, which will offer the potential for a multi-system listserv
>(probably the world's first!) The concept of messages coming in and going out
>via any combination of carriers is exciting, especially when you consider
>that PowerTalk automatically delivers messages in the best possible format,
>not the least common format.
>
>To my knowledge, gateways currently exist for: Internet, CompuServe, MSMail,
>QuickMail, PowerShare, Direct AppleTalk, Direct Dialup, fax and pagers. The
>Internet one, in particular, is a dream. I heartily recommend Mail*Link
>PT/INET from StarNine. Its handling of enclosures is totally transparent,
>plus you get to use all the fancy address catalogs.
>
>So the plan would be: incoming->PowerShare->AOCE
>daemon->PowerShare->outgoing, with either Frontier or AppleScript controlling
>the daemon. PowerRules (now owned by Banyan) was a first attempt in the
>daemon area, but I know something better is possible. Just look at the sheer
>size of "Inside Macintosh: AOCE Application Interfaces." :)

Before you get too enthused, bear in mind that the current public AOCE APIs
aren't really up to the task. PowerRules was done using APIs which were not
made generally public, because they were not guaranteed to be stable enough
for public use.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Computer Services Dept                     fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 12:27:45 -0800
From:    David Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Frontier: dialog.runModeless question

>>The problem is that dialog.run is kind enough to center the
>>dialog in the screen when it draws it, but dialog.runModeless puts it up at
>>0,0. What now, John? By the way, I'm on a Duo, so the screen bounds change
>>depending on whether it's docked or undocked. Thanks.
>
>Hi, David...
>   In probing here, it appears that you can adjust the rectangle in the
>DLOG resource, and have an effect on where the dialog will be displayed.
>If I put the dialog "fairly far to the right and down", dialog.runModeless
>places it a little up and left from where dialog.run does.  If I build the
>DLOG resource so that its top left is 0,0, that's where dialog.runModeless
>places it.
>
Yeah, I can solve it in a couple of ways, all of them sub-optimal. I can
have one custom dialog file which places it off-center on one of the
screens. I can have two custom dialog files, and use the kludge of
switching between them depending on the existance of a disk I know to be
present only in the dock. (I've never figured out a gestalt selector for
the presence of a dock, but I haven't looked at the latest version of the
list.) Or I could execute this as part of the pre-display case in the
callback routine:

    KeyQuencer.doScript ("WaitWindow dialog open\rMoveWindow center")

which is visually dippy since the dialog is displayed in the wrong place
for a split second. I guess that any of them are good enough for my own
use, and I'm glad you flagged it for Doug. If there's a wish list for 4.0
still, it would be nice to have the same background timing mechanism for
dialog.run that exists for dialog.runModeless. Thanks.

    David

David Lewis     Seagate Technology      [phone]  [e-mail]

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 13:20:20 -0800
From:    "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Sending raw events to FaceSpan

>Mark Asked:
>>>Does anyone know if FaceSpan can receive raw apple events (by raw I mean
>>>the kind sent from Filemaker ie. an event class and an event id)?
>>>
>>>I can send event from Filemaker to an applet created with the script editor
>>>but not to an applet created with FaceSpan.
>>>
>>>Any help our suggestions would be most appreciated.
>>>Thanks in advance.
>>
>John responded:
>>well, you have the seeds to a work-around!
>>
>>Just make an applet in AppleScript to receive these events, and then send
>>them to the FaceSpan app via "tell" statements... that should work.
>>
>>- john
>>
>>-----------------------------------------
>>[e-mail]             GTE Laboratories
>>John Schettino                Waltham, MA
>
>Lets call a club a club - its not a work-around it a kludge!!  Funny enough
>I hadn't thought of doing that.  Not a bad suggestion but not an ideal
>solution for me.  I'm designing applets that are distrubuted to multiple
>users in my institution.  If I told them 'well here filemaker for the
>database, and here's an facespan applet to do functions that filemaker
>can't do, oh and ya, here's another application...'.
>I REALLY would like to avoid a scenario like that...
>

It also won't help, unless the kludge applet also translates the event into
one which you can receive in a FaceSpan applet.  But...FileMaker could send
that directly, without the kludge.  Basically, a dead end.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 13:23:30 U
From:    Stephen Iremonger <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE-FMP Creating a new recor

                       Subject:                               Time:13:20
  OFFICE MEMO          RE:FMP Creating a new record with      Date:11/16/94
If you want to fill out all the fields in the new record then you can set the
data to layout 0 (layout 0 is a conceptual layout consisting of all the
fields defined in the database, the fields are ordered according to their
creation order).  On layouts other than layout 0 the data will also be set to
the fields according to their creation order however data will only be set
into the fields that actually exist on that layout.

Layout 0 has all fields in creation order.
Layout nth Layout has the fields that exist on that layout in creation order.

Stephen

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:31:59 -0500
From:    David Jokinen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re(2): FMP Timeout Problem!

Much thanks to Mark Hadfield for finally clearing up this common FileMaker
script problem. Now, could someone please clarify the meaning of the
following construct he used?

> on =ABevent FMPXDONE=BB
>         set okContinue to true
> end =ABevent FMPXDONE=BB

I presume it's some kind of AppleEvent handler, but I don't recognize the
syntax, nor could I find anything like it in the AppleScript Language Guide.

David Jokinen
Ground Zero Software
[e-mail]

------------------------------

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Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 17:49:03 -0500
From:    Mark Hadfield <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: FMP Timeout Problem!

>Mark:
>
>Thanks for your enlightening explanation regarding FileMaker timing out on
>script calls.
>
>IUve begun implementing the industrial-strength fix you described, but IUve
>run into one problem. The apple event handler you specified doesnUt compile=
:
>
>                on =3DABevent FMPXDONE=3DBB
>                        set okContinue to true
>                end =3DABevent FMPXDONE=3DBB
>
>I get a dialog box that says: RExpected function name, command name or
>function
>name but found R=3DS.
>
>Also, an observation (please tell me if IUm wrong):
>
>Your technique of having the FileMaker Pro script send an FMPX/DONE event
>assumes that the called script does not call subscripts that are also calle=
d
>by the AppleScript.
>
>For example, letUs say I want to call FileMaker script x, and have x confir=
m
>its
>completion by sending the DONE event. Given this scenario, I canUt call
>script
>x
>from within script y and then call script y from my AppleScript, because th=
e
>DONE event would be sent as soon as script x is completed, not after y is
>completed.
>
It doesn't compile because you haven't use the chevron characers.
To create the chevron characters =AB=BB, use option-\ and shift-option-\.

As far as your other question I'm not sure what you mean but it sounds like
it should be able to be done.  Performing subscripts should not change the
equation.

Mark Hadfield
[e-mail]
The Hospital For Sick Children

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:10:10 -0700
From:    Matthew Frederick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Key presses and timing query

>Sorry to ask such a basic question but can anyone tell me how to get back
>which key a user has pressed from within Applescript?

Try the Jon's Commands OSAX
(available via FTP at gaea.kgs.ukans.edu:applescript/)
It has a command called "keys pressed" that works like a charm.

>While I'm at it, does anyone know of a more accurate way of timing an
>operation in Applescript other than using the time to the nearest second?
>Tenths of a second would be good enough.

Again, Jon's Commands to the rescue -- it has a command called "the ticks"
which tells you the current value of the system's tick count, which I
believe is measured in 60ths of a second.

Boy those commands are great!

Matthew

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------
"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it -- even if I
have said
 it -- unless it agrees with your own reason and your common sense.
--The Buddha
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------
Matthew Frederick, Phoenix, Arizona, USA  ([e-mail])

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 17:52:18 +0000
From:    Kyraden <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: backgrounding an applescript application

Get ScriptHider from the gaea ftp site.


>I want to know how to make an applescript saved as a stay open application
>stay in the background (as in, not appearing in the application menu) at
>all times.
>
>Here's what I'm trying to do: I have a little script that, if it's two
>minutes after midnight, quits Filemaker Pro if it's open, opens a Filemaker
>database, and then quits it. I'm doing this so that the Today function gets
>recalculated every day and at a time when no one is using it so they don't
>have to sit through the calculation.
>Clearly, this script needs to be open at all times, and I can't trust the
>users of the system not to quit it if they see it in the application menu.
>Hence my question.
>
>I tried a horrendous hack which, not surprisingly, didn't work: I opened
>the size resource with ResEdit and checked the "Always Background" bit.
>When launched, the script did in fact go into the background, but it also
>crashed my computer when I checked the application menu.
>
>If anyone had other ideas about how to do this, that would be appreciated
>too. I tried to use Cron to do this, but couldn't for the life of me get it
>to open a file. I could beep with it, flash dialogs, open a _program_,
>etcetera, but I absolutely couldn't get it to open a file.
>
>Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
>
>Aaron Brockett
>[e-mail]

| Jaeson M. Engle    ||    [e-mail]  |
         www server: http://josaiah.sewanee.edu/
        Elomense(MUD): josaiah.sewanee.edu 1999 )

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 15:55:24 -0800
From:    Doug Baron <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Listserv scripts on the Mac (Frontier)

>>
>>My only suggestion would be that you might use Frontier. I know that Dave
>>Winer has implemented pretty much what you descibe with just Frontier and
>>Eudara alone. No need for the scriptable finder, osax, or anything else to
>>get the job done.
>>
>>Doug
>
>where can i get this? does it work with the frontier runtime.

I don't know if Dave is sharing his scripts at this point. Probably not,
would be my guess. I'll ask him. But in any case, it really shouldn't be
that hard to write. It's mostly a matter of text parsing and maintaining
tables (lists). I would expect any such system to work fine with Runtime.

Doug

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 20:31:05 +0000
From:    Kyraden <[e-mail]>
Subject: I got this?

Any one ever gotten this from the listserv here?:

Sorry. Your message could not be delivered:
Message contained no valid addresses.

The subject line was: NDN: Newbie on Timer function
and I never sent a message like that. Any ideas?

| Jaeson M. Engle    ||    [e-mail]  |
         www server: http://josaiah.sewanee.edu/          )

------------------------------

Date:    Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:03:17 -0600
From:    Dennis Whiteman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Script Editor WorldScript bug fix?

I never noticed the problem under 7.1.2, AppleScript 1.1, and Script Editor
1.1 (or 1.1.1, which I used for a week or so), but it was one of the first
things I noticed after installed System 7.5. I'm now using B&W formatting for
my scripts, which is less informative but works better.

I've noticed something else that's strange, though it might fall under the
category of a system problem. My shared libraries, ObjectSupportLib and
AppleScriptLib have had generic icons ever since I installed System 7.5. Has
anyone else noticed this and isn't it odd?

 ------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, Thu, Nov 17, 1994 ------

Too minor for Power Macs -- do the earlier versions of the script editor
have the "off by n" clicking problem under script editor 1.1 or 1.0?

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer

------------------------------

Date:    Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:22:45 -0600
From:    Dennis Whiteman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: backgrounding an applescript application

I'm sure others here will offer better solutions, but I'm running certain
applets overnight using QuicKeys' timer function.

For instance, I have a Check Mail applet that I run at the same time every
morning. Rather than having it launch as a startup script, I opted to handle
it this way because I have three other startup scripts and wanted to give
this one full attention when it was running since they all seem to get
launced concurrently.

Also, I tried Chron when it was version 1.0 and it ran applets fine. It was
just too  unstable at that time for my uses. I should probably look at one of
the newer version because I really liked the concept.

Dennis L. Whiteman
THE ULTIMATE FREELANCER
[e-mail]

 ------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, Thu, Nov 17, 1994 ------

Here's what I'm trying to do: I have a little script that, if it's two
minutes after midnight, quits Filemaker Pro if it's open, opens a Filemaker
database, and then quits it. I'm doing this so that the Today function gets
recalculated every day and at a time when no one is using it so they don't
have to sit through the calculation.
Clearly, this script needs to be open at all times, and I can't trust the
users of the system not to quit it if they see it in the application menu.
Hence my question....

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

Aaron Brockett
[e-mail]

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There are 39 messages totalling 1233 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. "Get Terminology" event question
  2. Sending raw events to FaceSpan (3)
  3. Listserv scripts on the Mac
  4. MACSCRPT Digest - 13 Nov 1994 to 14 Nov 1994 (2)
  5. Re(2): Listserv scripts on the Mac
  6. Newbie on Timer function
  7. Re (2)
  8. Changing Folder and File Visibility (2)
  9. Key presses and timing query (3)
 10. unsub (3)
 11. FMP Timeout Problem! (3)
 12. Sending raw events to Fa
 13. Script Editor WorldScript bug fix? (2)
 14. RE- FMP & Picture fields
 15. HyperCard + Excel Questions
 16. backgrounding an applescript application (3)
 17. Stack overflow error
 18. NDN: Newbie on Timer function
 19. AOCE listservs (was Re: Listserv scripts on the Mac)
 20. Frontier: dialog.runModeless question
 21. RE-FMP Creating a new recor
 22. Re(2): FMP Timeout Problem!
 23. AAAAARRRGGGHHHH
 24. Listserv scripts on the Mac (Frontier)
 25. I got this?

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Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 00:11:22 -0800
From:    Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: "Get Terminology" event question

Brian Hall <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>It used to be that an app had to support the "Get Terminology" event if
>people were to be able to write:
>tell application "foo" of machine "bar"
>  whatever
>end tell
>
>So that SE could syntax check.

I don't recall this ever being the case.  Most likely you didn't have
AppleScript installed on the remote machine.  I'm pretty sure that you need
to have AppleScript there so that it has the system GetTerminology handler
installed.  I suppose implementing one would work, but it's not the
simplest solution.  ;)

>System 7.5 to the rescue:
>It seems that the version of AppleScript that ships with 7.5 must install a
>system wide handler for this event, so even if the target app *does not*
>support the GT event, the extension will suck the resource out the app and
>pass it back for you. This is mostly a good thing.  The only apps that
>should mind are those that have dynamic 'aete' - and are there any yet?

AppleScript has always implemented this scheme.  System 7.5 had no changes
to AppleScript (well, OK, they recompiled it with a VERY minor Script
Editor WorldScript bug fix).

Also, as we were discussing a few days ago, Quark is the only app I know
which supports dynamic terminologies, but I have yet to see an extension
which has a dictionary.

>A side effect of this may be that if the app *is running* on that remote
>machine, perhaps it would load the resource in that heap? (A guess)

I believe that you MUST have the remote app running in order to script it.
Someone needs to be the target of the GetTerminology event.  As I stated
before, the resource gets loaded, detatched and returned (copied) in the
GetTerminology reply.  The original should be purgeable, but I don't think
it gets marked so by AppleScript (this is a good thing for the
investigative among you to check).

Jon

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Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 00:11:25 -0800
From:    Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Sending raw events to FaceSpan

Andrew Johnston <[e-mail]> said:
>
>Mark Hadfield <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> Does anyone know if FaceSpan can receive raw apple events (by raw I mean
>> the kind sent from Filemaker ie. an event class and an event id)?
>
>> I can send event from Filemaker to an applet created with the script editor
>> but not to an applet created with FaceSpan.
>
>I tried this out, and ran into the same difficulty you had. Events that I
>composed with the double-pointy-thing notation (eg: <<event clasidid>>)
>didn't seem to get handled by FaceSpan. Not only that, but it wasn't passing
>them on to the script component to let it try to handle them.
>
>This struck me as odd, because other events (calls to osaxen and other
>system-
>handled events) had to make it. So I tried a 'custom' event with an event
>class of 'aevt'. Ta da! It worked.
>
>That's the secret: use an event class of 'aevt'. You could also try class
>'syso', but I noticed some wierd behaviour when I tried this out, so I would
>not advise it.

I can explain all of this.  FaceSpan registers its events in suites.  So,
it registers handlers for 'aevt****', 'core****' and 'misc****', among
others.  Thus, the custom event you were trying to accept wouldn't have a
handler installed for it.  If you made it fall into one of these suites, it
would have a handler installed, although there's no guarentee that an app
will do anything sensible with the event once the handler got it.

I would have expected that applets would do the same thing that Hypercard
does, which is to install a '********' handler and just deal with whatever
comes in.  They don't though.  They register a quit event and install a
phac handler (that's the AEInstallSpecialHandler with keyPreDispatch which
equals 'phac' and is not named after Phac Le Tuan).  This phac handler gets
every event BEFORE it gets sent to its proper handler.  I don't know why
its done this way, but I'll see if I can find out.  It's probably just a
dispatch optimization.

As a final note, the reason why 'syso' events go weird is that the "choose
folder" osax registers as the 'syso****' handler.  This means that any
events with class 'syso' and are not handled by an explicit handler, get
sent there and you get the Choose Folder dialog.  I think this might
qualify as a bug.  Someone should try finding the "choose folder" event in
the aete and change the osax name to match that and see if it still works.
I wonder if there are any other 'syso' events that it handles.  Time to
snoop the code, I guess.  ;)

Jon

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Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 00:15:34 -0800
From:    "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Listserv scripts on the Mac

>Hello,
>
>Someone recently asked on the info-mac list about being able to provide
>listserv email list management and processing on the Mac.  While I haven't
>seen anything to do this (at least in shareware), it occurred to me that
>with the latest 1.0b8 version of MailShare, a freeware POP email server for
>the mac, that this might be possible through some scripting, so I thought I
>would run this by you and see if anyone has worked on this.

This is the sort of largish job I would tend to do with Frontier, rather
than with AppleScript.  [Eudora would be fine as the mailing application.]
Several of Frontier's capabilities make sense here (your list might be an
outline in the Frontier database, rather than a separate text file.  The
outline editor in Frontier is nicely scriptable.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA

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Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 00:37:09 -0800
From:    "Alex L. Bangs" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 13 Nov 1994 to 14 Nov 1994

>From:    Deirdre Saoirse-Savino <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Accessing the OSA from C
>
>OK, I see the book on how to do the OSACompile and all that.
>
>How do I check if these traps are available? There doesn't seem to be a
>Gestalt selector for same, nor can I find a way of checking directly.

I wondered the same when I first tried to do this... when you try to
open the component, it will return NULL if there is no component. I don't
know if this works on System 6, but on System 7, it will return NULL if
AppleScript is not installed. I don't know if there is a Gestalt call
for the Component Manager...

ex.
gScriptingComponent = OpenDefaultComponent(kOSAComponentType,
                                             kAppleScriptSubtype);

To check if AppleScript loaded (later in program) ...

if (gScriptingComponent != NULL)
{
... do OSAExecute, etc.
}

BTW, a good article/sample to use if you are trying to get started with OSA
calls is in Apple's "develop" magazine, issue 18 (June 1994): "Programming
for Flexibility: The Open Scripting Architecture" by Paul G. Smith.

Re: the comment "The Gestalt selector is gestaltAppleEventsAttr ('evnt')",
that will tell you if AppleEvents are present, but not if AppleScript is...


-- Alex

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Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 04:34:15 -0500
From:    David Jokinen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re(2): Listserv scripts on the Mac

>Someone recently asked on the info-mac list about being able to provide
>listserv email list management and processing on the Mac.  While I haven't
>seen anything to do this (at least in shareware), it occurred to me that
>with the latest 1.0b8 version of MailShare, a freeware POP email server for
>the mac, that this might be possible through some scripting, so I thought I
>would run this by you and see if anyone has worked on this.

I, too, would like to offer a Macintosh-based list server. In fact, I would
very much like to get involved in creating it.

I wonder what would happen if we were to try this instead via PowerTalk
gateways, which will offer the potential for a multi-system listserv
(probably the world's first!) The concept of messages coming in and going out
via any combination of carriers is exciting, especially when you consider
that PowerTalk automatically delivers messages in the best possible format,
not the least common format.

To my knowledge, gateways currently exist for: Internet, CompuServe, MSMail,
QuickMail, PowerShare, Direct AppleTalk, Direct Dialup, fax and pagers. The
Internet one, in particular, is a dream. I heartily recommend Mail*Link
PT/INET from StarNine. Its handling of enclosures is totally transparent,
plus you get to use all the fancy address catalogs.

So the plan would be: incoming->PowerShare->AOCE
daemon->PowerShare->outgoing, with either Frontier or AppleScript controlling
the daemon. PowerRules (now owned by Banyan) was a first attempt in the
daemon area, but I know something better is possible. Just look at the sheer
size of "Inside Macintosh: AOCE Application Interfaces." :)

David Jokinen
Ground Zero Software
[e-mail]

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Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 10:44:50 +0100
From:    Chris Remie <[e-mail]>
Subject: Newbie on Timer function

Hi,
I'm new here so have mercy.
Is there a way to make a script that performs a task at a certain time every
 day?
Thanks,
Chris Remie

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Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 08:36:40 -0500
From:    Gary Morrison <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re

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Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 08:43:23 -0500
From:    "Michael D. Doub" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Changing Folder and File Visibility

Is anyone aware of a osaxen that would allow you to control the visability
of a folder or a file from AppleScript?  A scriptable version of the
BlindFold application would do the trick too.  Does it exist?

Thanks
  Mike

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Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 14:23:23 +0000
From:    David Davies <[e-mail]>
Subject: Key presses and timing query

Sorry to ask such a basic question but can anyone tell me how to get back
which key a user has pressed from within Applescript?

While I'm at it, does anyone know of a more accurate way of timing an
operation in Applescript other than using the time to the nearest second?
Tenths of a second would be good enough.

Thanks,

David Davies

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Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 08:55:45 -0600
From:    Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re

>unsubcribe

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Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 12:26:21 AST4ADT
From:    [e-mail]
Subject: unsub

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Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 11:06:23 -0500
From:    Mark Hadfield <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Sending raw events to FaceSpan

Mark Asked:
>>Does anyone know if FaceSpan can receive raw apple events (by raw I mean
>>the kind sent from Filemaker ie. an event class and an event id)?
>>
>>I can send event from Filemaker to an applet created with the script editor
>>but not to an applet created with FaceSpan.
>>
>>Any help our suggestions would be most appreciated.
>>Thanks in advance.
>
John responded:
>well, you have the seeds to a work-around!
>
>Just make an applet in AppleScript to receive these events, and then send
>them to the FaceSpan app via "tell" statements... that should work.
>
>- john
>
>-----------------------------------------
>[e-mail]             GTE Laboratories
>John Schettino                Waltham, MA

Lets call a club a club - its not a work-around it a kludge!!  Funny enough
I hadn't thought of doing that.  Not a bad suggestion but not an ideal
solution for me.  I'm designing applets that are distrubuted to multiple
users in my institution.  If I told them 'well here filemaker for the
database, and here's an facespan applet to do functions that filemaker
can't do, oh and ya, here's another application...'.
I REALLY would like to avoid a scenario like that...

Mark Hadfield
[e-mail]
The Hospital For Sick Children

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Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 10:08:49 -0600
From:    Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: unsub

>unsubscribe Bob LeBlanc

Please send your request to [e-mail] in the form

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Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 11:30:44 -0500
From:    Mark Hadfield <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: FMP Timeout Problem!

>IUm working on a fairly large & involved AppleScript that manipulates
>data in several FileMaker Pro files. It all seems to work really well, exce=
pt
>for one niggling--and highly frustrating--problem:
>
>When I try to obtain the number of records in the current found set,
>the event never resolves; instead, after a minute or so, I get an RAppleEve=
nt
>timed outS dialog box.
>
>The problem line is:
>
>        set rCount to (Count of Layout 1 of Window 1 Class Record)--times
>out
>
>IUve tried it with long time outs and it just doesnUt do any good.
>
>
>Please help!!!
>
>
>FYI: I had the same problem when I ran a FileMaker Script from my
>AppleScript that did a Find All. When I replaced that call with a simple
>AppleScript Tshow every record,U it no longer timed out.

The problem is not your 'set count to' command its the command that comes
before it. Let me guess- the line before it is triggering a Filemaker
script.  This is the crux of the problem:  when you trigger a filemaker
script, FM tells applescript that it is complete WHEN THE FM SCRIPT IS
TRIGGERED NOT WHEN THE FM SCRIPT IS COMPLETE.  Applescript assumes that FM
is done and issues the next event (your count records command).  FM  misses
the command and thus never responds back to it.  Applescript waits
patiently to hear back and eventually times out.  There are a couple of
ways around it, one a simple kludge, the other more industrial strength.

Simple fix:  After every 'do script filemaker script' do a repeat loop long
enough to ensure the FM script will be finished executing.

The simple fix is just that simple - but can cause problems if the script
is running on slower machines or if the type of FM script that is called
can have varying length of runs (ie. most take 3 seconds but one big one
takes 50 seconds - you would have to set the repeat loop to last 50 seconds
even though most are only 3 seconds...).

Industrial Strength fix:  In every filemaker script that is called from
applescript add a 'send apple event...' command and the end of the script.
Set the event class to FMPX. Set the event ID to DONE. Then add the
following code to your applescript:

property okContinue : false

on =ABevent FMPXDONE=BB
        set okContinue to true
end =ABevent FMPXDONE=BB


on foo()
tell application "Filemaker Pro"
Do Script FileMaker Script "whatever script you want"
  if (my canIcontinue()) is false then display dialog "Did not hear from FM
or FM script took too long to run"
count class record
.
.
.
end tell
end foo


on canIcontinue()
        global okContinue
        local startTime
        set startTime to current date
        repeat until ((current date) - (startTime)) > 200
-- how many seconds to you want to wait to hear back from Filemaker?
                if okContinue is true then
                        set okContinue to false
                        set startTime to current date -- a small delay to
ensure FM is ready
                        repeat until ((current date) - (startTime)) > 1
                        end repeat
                        return true
                end if
        end repeat
        set okContinue to false
        return false
end canIcontinue

Its much more complex but is dynamic: if the FM script only takes 4 seconds
to run applescript will be issuing the next command 5 or 6 seconds after
the FM script was called.  If the FM script takes 130 seconds to run
applescript will be issuing the next command 131 or 132 seconds later.



Mark Hadfield
[e-mail]
The Hospital For Sick Children

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Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 11:41:12 -0500
From:    Mark Hadfield <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Sending raw events to Fa

>>I wrote:
>> Does anyone know if FaceSpan can receive raw apple events (by raw I mean
>> the kind sent from Filemaker ie. an event class and an event id)?
>
>> I can send event from Filemaker to an applet created with the script editor
>> but not to an applet created with FaceSpan.
>
>I tried this out, and ran into the same difficulty you had. Events that I
>composed with the double-pointy-thing notation (eg: <<event clasidid>>)
>didn't seem to get handled by FaceSpan. Not only that, but it wasn't passing
>them on to the script component to let it try to handle them.
>
>This struck me as odd, because other events (calls to osaxen and other
>system-
>handled events) had to make it. So I tried a 'custom' event with an event
>class of 'aevt'. Ta da! It worked.
>
>That's the secret: use an event class of 'aevt'. You could also try class
>'syso', but I noticed some wierd behaviour when I tried this out, so I would
>not advise it.
>
>Hope that helps (and thanks for asking cool questions),
>  Andrew
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Andrew T. Johnston  |
>Apple Canada, Inc.  |  Who else would claim these opinions as his own?
>[e-mail]  |



Whoopee!! It worked!!  You are a god!  No more faceless applets for my users!!!

Mark Hadfield
[e-mail]
The Hospital For Sick Children

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Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 12:03:23 -0500
From:    Deirdre Saoirse-Savino <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Changing Folder and File Visibility

I have C code that does this; if one doesn't exist I could probably write an
osax if I knew how. :D

_Deirdre

Michael Doub asks:
> Is anyone aware of a osaxen that would allow you to
>  control the visability of a folder or a file from
>  AppleScript?  A scriptable version of the BlindFold
>  application would do the trick too.  Does it exist?

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Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 09:38:23 -0800
From:    Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Script Editor WorldScript bug fix?

>AppleScript has always implemented this scheme.  System 7.5 had no changes
>to AppleScript (well, OK, they recompiled it with a VERY minor Script
>Editor WorldScript bug fix).

Too minor for Power Macs -- do the earlier versions of the script editor
have the "off by n" clicking problem under script editor 1.1 or 1.0?

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer

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Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 10:11:34 U
From:    Stephen Iremonger <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE- FMP & Picture fields

        Reply to:   RE: FMP & Picture fields
tell application "FileMaker Pro"
     copy cellValue of cell "Picture" to thePicture
end tell

works fine i.e. the picture data is tored in the variable thePicture.  You
can verify this by setting this data back into the picture field in a new
record within your database.   What exactly do you want to do with the data
in thePicture after you have copied it.

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Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 10:24:16 -0800
From:    "Alex L. Bangs" <[e-mail]>
Subject: HyperCard + Excel Questions

A few questions:

(1) I've been experimenting with doing AppleScript in HyperCard. The
on-line documentation is amazingly vague about transfering data back and
forth, and provides no examples. By looking at the mail merge example
stack, I saw that they are getting HyperCard data via using HyperTalk
functions called from AppleScript. I also know I can access fields
directly.
 * Question: is there a way to get direct access to global HyperTalk variables?
    I can access them when running a script from the script editor and using
    an evaluate expression, but when I try to do this inside HyperCard as
    an AppleScript script, it doesn't work.

 * Question: is it possible to using HyperTalk "chunking" expressions from
    AppleScript? I think the answer is know but would appreciate enlightenment.
    I'm talking about things like 'the first item of line 1 of bkgnd field "x"'

(2) What my script does is take a field or variable and turn it into a 2D
    list which can then be dumped into Excel via a named range of cells.
    Here's the one line I tell Excel:
     set value of Range myRange to myArray
    The problem is it executes *really* slowly, like 1 cell per second on
    a PB 170. Any idea what's going on here.

(3) If you'd like to take pot-shots at my script, here it is:

-- this script accesses all HyperCard data via a set of
-- background HyperTalk functions -- getData*()

on mouseUp
        set saveDelim to AppleScript's text item delimiters
        set AppleScript's text item delimiters to {","}
        set nRows to getDataNRows()
        set nCols to getDataNCols()
        set myArray to {}
        repeat with r from 1 to nRows
                set rowItems to text items of getDataNthRow(r)
                set rowList to {}
                repeat with c from 1 to nCols
                        set rowList to rowList & {item c of rowItems as number}
                end repeat
                set myArray to myArray & {rowList}
        end repeat
        set AppleScript's text item delimiters to saveDelim
        set myRange to getDataRange()

        tell application "Excel"
                activate
                -- the following line runs painfully slowly!
                set value of Range myRange to myArray
        end tell
end mouseUp

Thanks!
Alex

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Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 13:35:10 -0500
From:    Aaron Brockett <[e-mail]>
Subject: backgrounding an applescript application

I want to know how to make an applescript saved as a stay open application
stay in the background (as in, not appearing in the application menu) at
all times.

Here's what I'm trying to do: I have a little script that, if it's two
minutes after midnight, quits Filemaker Pro if it's open, opens a Filemaker
database, and then quits it. I'm doing this so that the Today function gets
recalculated every day and at a time when no one is using it so they don't
have to sit through the calculation.
Clearly, this script needs to be open at all times, and I can't trust the
users of the system not to quit it if they see it in the application menu.
Hence my question.

I tried a horrendous hack which, not surprisingly, didn't work: I opened
the size resource with ResEdit and checked the "Always Background" bit.
When launched, the script did in fact go into the background, but it also
crashed my computer when I checked the application menu.

If anyone had other ideas about how to do this, that would be appreciated
too. I tried to use Cron to do this, but couldn't for the life of me get it
to open a file. I could beep with it, flash dialogs, open a _program_,
etcetera, but I absolutely couldn't get it to open a file.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

Aaron Brockett
[e-mail]

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Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 10:53:43 -0800
From:    "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 13 Nov 1994 to 14 Nov 1994

>>From:    Deirdre Saoirse-Savino <[e-mail]>
>>Subject: Accessing the OSA from C
>>
>>OK, I see the book on how to do the OSACompile and all that.
>>
>>How do I check if these traps are available? There doesn't seem to be a
>>Gestalt selector for same, nor can I find a way of checking directly.
>
>I wondered the same when I first tried to do this... when you try to
>open the component, it will return NULL if there is no component. I don't
>know if this works on System 6, but on System 7, it will return NULL if
>AppleScript is not installed. I don't know if there is a Gestalt call
>for the Component Manager...
>

The gestalt selector which lets you know whether the Component Manager is
present is gestaltComponentMgr ('cpnt'), which returns the version number
of the Component Manager (4 on my 8100 running System 7.5, your mileage may
vary).

If Component Manager is not available, the selector is not defined, and
Gestalt will return an error.

The Component Manager is available under System 6.x and System 7.0.x if and
only if QuickTime is installed*...it became part of the base System in
System 7.1

  --John

* Or a hypothetical something else which installs Component Manager in
those old Systems.  Sys 7.0 was so long ago--did AppleScript install
Component Manager, or refuse to run without it, or ...?

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 12:23:41 CST
From:    Joshua Buysse <[e-mail]>
Subject: Stack overflow error

A fairly large script that I've been working on is consistently
giving me "Stack Overflow" errors.

What can I do to get this to work inside AppleScript?  Note: the
error is occuring during a tell statement to the Finder.

Besides that, is there any way that my script can receive
notification when a volume is mounted without doing an idle loop to
watch for it?

I'm using System 7.5, with the AppleScript Scripter's kit installed.

Thanks,
Josh Buysse

CAFE Mac Client designer
University of Minnesota AIS

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 14:32:28 -0500
From:    Jonathan Donald <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: FMP Timeout Problem!


Thanks for your enlightening explanation regarding FileMaker timing out on
script calls.

IUve begun implementing the industrial-strength fix you described, but IUve
run into one problem. The apple event handler you specified doesnUt compile:

                on =ABevent FMPXDONE=BB
                        set okContinue to true
                end =ABevent FMPXDONE=BB

I get a dialog box that says: RExpected function name, command name or
function
name but found R=S.

Also, an observation (please tell me if IUm wrong):

Your technique of having the FileMaker Pro script send an FMPX/DONE event
assumes that the called script does not call subscripts that are also called
by the AppleScript.

For example, letUs say I want to call FileMaker script x, and have x confirm
its
completion by sending the DONE event. Given this scenario, I canUt call
script
x
from within script y and then call script y from my AppleScript, because the
DONE event would be sent as soon as script x is completed, not after y is
completed.



-jd

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 13:58:11 U
From:    Dennis Whiteman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Key presses and timing query

> Sorry to ask such a basic question but can
> anyone tell me how to get back which key a user
> has pressed from within Applescript?

Jon's Commands 1.2 has the following event:

keys pressed: Get the keys that are currently pressed.
        keys pressed
        Result:   string  -- A list of key names.

Hope this helps.

Dennis L. Whiteman
THE ULTIMATE FREELANCER
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 12:09:04 GMT
From:    Gateway <sage![e-mail]>
Subject: NDN: Newbie on Timer function

Sorry. Your message could not be delivered:

Message contained no valid addresses.

------------------------------

Date:    Thu, 17 Nov 1994 09:03:00 +1300
From:    "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
         NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: AOCE listservs (was Re: Listserv scripts on the Mac)

David Jokinen <[e-mail]> writes:

>I wonder what would happen if we were to try this instead via PowerTalk
>gateways, which will offer the potential for a multi-system listserv
>(probably the world's first!) The concept of messages coming in and going out
>via any combination of carriers is exciting, especially when you consider
>that PowerTalk automatically delivers messages in the best possible format,
>not the least common format.
>
>To my knowledge, gateways currently exist for: Internet, CompuServe, MSMail,
>QuickMail, PowerShare, Direct AppleTalk, Direct Dialup, fax and pagers. The
>Internet one, in particular, is a dream. I heartily recommend Mail*Link
>PT/INET from StarNine. Its handling of enclosures is totally transparent,
>plus you get to use all the fancy address catalogs.
>
>So the plan would be: incoming->PowerShare->AOCE
>daemon->PowerShare->outgoing, with either Frontier or AppleScript controlling
>the daemon. PowerRules (now owned by Banyan) was a first attempt in the
>daemon area, but I know something better is possible. Just look at the sheer
>size of "Inside Macintosh: AOCE Application Interfaces." :)

Before you get too enthused, bear in mind that the current public AOCE APIs
aren't really up to the task. PowerRules was done using APIs which were not
made generally public, because they were not guaranteed to be stable enough
for public use.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Computer Services Dept                     fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 12:27:45 -0800
From:    David Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Frontier: dialog.runModeless question

>>The problem is that dialog.run is kind enough to center the
>>dialog in the screen when it draws it, but dialog.runModeless puts it up at
>>0,0. What now, John? By the way, I'm on a Duo, so the screen bounds change
>>depending on whether it's docked or undocked. Thanks.
>
>Hi, David...
>   In probing here, it appears that you can adjust the rectangle in the
>DLOG resource, and have an effect on where the dialog will be displayed.
>If I put the dialog "fairly far to the right and down", dialog.runModeless
>places it a little up and left from where dialog.run does.  If I build the
>DLOG resource so that its top left is 0,0, that's where dialog.runModeless
>places it.
>
Yeah, I can solve it in a couple of ways, all of them sub-optimal. I can
have one custom dialog file which places it off-center on one of the
screens. I can have two custom dialog files, and use the kludge of
switching between them depending on the existance of a disk I know to be
present only in the dock. (I've never figured out a gestalt selector for
the presence of a dock, but I haven't looked at the latest version of the
list.) Or I could execute this as part of the pre-display case in the
callback routine:

    KeyQuencer.doScript ("WaitWindow dialog open\rMoveWindow center")

which is visually dippy since the dialog is displayed in the wrong place
for a split second. I guess that any of them are good enough for my own
use, and I'm glad you flagged it for Doug. If there's a wish list for 4.0
still, it would be nice to have the same background timing mechanism for
dialog.run that exists for dialog.runModeless. Thanks.

    David

David Lewis     Seagate Technology      [phone]  [e-mail]

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 13:20:20 -0800
From:    "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Sending raw events to FaceSpan

>Mark Asked:
>>>Does anyone know if FaceSpan can receive raw apple events (by raw I mean
>>>the kind sent from Filemaker ie. an event class and an event id)?
>>>
>>>I can send event from Filemaker to an applet created with the script editor
>>>but not to an applet created with FaceSpan.
>>>
>>>Any help our suggestions would be most appreciated.
>>>Thanks in advance.
>>
>John responded:
>>well, you have the seeds to a work-around!
>>
>>Just make an applet in AppleScript to receive these events, and then send
>>them to the FaceSpan app via "tell" statements... that should work.
>>
>>- john
>>
>>-----------------------------------------
>>[e-mail]             GTE Laboratories
>>John Schettino                Waltham, MA
>
>Lets call a club a club - its not a work-around it a kludge!!  Funny enough
>I hadn't thought of doing that.  Not a bad suggestion but not an ideal
>solution for me.  I'm designing applets that are distrubuted to multiple
>users in my institution.  If I told them 'well here filemaker for the
>database, and here's an facespan applet to do functions that filemaker
>can't do, oh and ya, here's another application...'.
>I REALLY would like to avoid a scenario like that...
>

It also won't help, unless the kludge applet also translates the event into
one which you can receive in a FaceSpan applet.  But...FileMaker could send
that directly, without the kludge.  Basically, a dead end.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 13:23:30 U
From:    Stephen Iremonger <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE-FMP Creating a new recor

                       Subject:                               Time:13:20
  OFFICE MEMO          RE:FMP Creating a new record with      Date:11/16/94
If you want to fill out all the fields in the new record then you can set the
data to layout 0 (layout 0 is a conceptual layout consisting of all the
fields defined in the database, the fields are ordered according to their
creation order).  On layouts other than layout 0 the data will also be set to
the fields according to their creation order however data will only be set
into the fields that actually exist on that layout.

Layout 0 has all fields in creation order.
Layout nth Layout has the fields that exist on that layout in creation order.

Stephen

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:31:59 -0500
From:    David Jokinen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re(2): FMP Timeout Problem!

Much thanks to Mark Hadfield for finally clearing up this common FileMaker
script problem. Now, could someone please clarify the meaning of the
following construct he used?

> on =ABevent FMPXDONE=BB
>         set okContinue to true
> end =ABevent FMPXDONE=BB

I presume it's some kind of AppleEvent handler, but I don't recognize the
syntax, nor could I find anything like it in the AppleScript Language Guide.

David Jokinen
Ground Zero Software
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 17:18:21 -0500
From:    Jason Komaromi - GEOG/W94 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: unsub

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------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 17:49:03 -0500
From:    Mark Hadfield <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: FMP Timeout Problem!

>Mark:
>
>Thanks for your enlightening explanation regarding FileMaker timing out on
>script calls.
>
>IUve begun implementing the industrial-strength fix you described, but IUve
>run into one problem. The apple event handler you specified doesnUt compile=
:
>
>                on =3DABevent FMPXDONE=3DBB
>                        set okContinue to true
>                end =3DABevent FMPXDONE=3DBB
>
>I get a dialog box that says: RExpected function name, command name or
>function
>name but found R=3DS.
>
>Also, an observation (please tell me if IUm wrong):
>
>Your technique of having the FileMaker Pro script send an FMPX/DONE event
>assumes that the called script does not call subscripts that are also calle=
d
>by the AppleScript.
>
>For example, letUs say I want to call FileMaker script x, and have x confir=
m
>its
>completion by sending the DONE event. Given this scenario, I canUt call
>script
>x
>from within script y and then call script y from my AppleScript, because th=
e
>DONE event would be sent as soon as script x is completed, not after y is
>completed.
>
It doesn't compile because you haven't use the chevron characers.
To create the chevron characters =AB=BB, use option-\ and shift-option-\.

As far as your other question I'm not sure what you mean but it sounds like
it should be able to be done.  Performing subscripts should not change the
equation.

Mark Hadfield
[e-mail]
The Hospital For Sick Children

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:10:10 -0700
From:    Matthew Frederick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Key presses and timing query

>Sorry to ask such a basic question but can anyone tell me how to get back
>which key a user has pressed from within Applescript?

Try the Jon's Commands OSAX
(available via FTP at gaea.kgs.ukans.edu:applescript/)
It has a command called "keys pressed" that works like a charm.

>While I'm at it, does anyone know of a more accurate way of timing an
>operation in Applescript other than using the time to the nearest second?
>Tenths of a second would be good enough.

Again, Jon's Commands to the rescue -- it has a command called "the ticks"
which tells you the current value of the system's tick count, which I
believe is measured in 60ths of a second.

Boy those commands are great!

Matthew

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------
"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it -- even if I
have said
 it -- unless it agrees with your own reason and your common sense.
--The Buddha
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------
Matthew Frederick, Phoenix, Arizona, USA  ([e-mail])

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 17:52:18 +0000
From:    Kyraden <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: backgrounding an applescript application

Get ScriptHider from the gaea ftp site.


>I want to know how to make an applescript saved as a stay open application
>stay in the background (as in, not appearing in the application menu) at
>all times.
>
>Here's what I'm trying to do: I have a little script that, if it's two
>minutes after midnight, quits Filemaker Pro if it's open, opens a Filemaker
>database, and then quits it. I'm doing this so that the Today function gets
>recalculated every day and at a time when no one is using it so they don't
>have to sit through the calculation.
>Clearly, this script needs to be open at all times, and I can't trust the
>users of the system not to quit it if they see it in the application menu.
>Hence my question.
>
>I tried a horrendous hack which, not surprisingly, didn't work: I opened
>the size resource with ResEdit and checked the "Always Background" bit.
>When launched, the script did in fact go into the background, but it also
>crashed my computer when I checked the application menu.
>
>If anyone had other ideas about how to do this, that would be appreciated
>too. I tried to use Cron to do this, but couldn't for the life of me get it
>to open a file. I could beep with it, flash dialogs, open a _program_,
>etcetera, but I absolutely couldn't get it to open a file.
>
>Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
>
>Aaron Brockett
>[e-mail]

| Jaeson M. Engle    ||    [e-mail]  |
         www server: http://josaiah.sewanee.edu/
        Elomense(MUD): josaiah.sewanee.edu 1999 )

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 15:55:24 -0800
From:    Doug Baron <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Listserv scripts on the Mac (Frontier)

>>
>>My only suggestion would be that you might use Frontier. I know that Dave
>>Winer has implemented pretty much what you descibe with just Frontier and
>>Eudara alone. No need for the scriptable finder, osax, or anything else to
>>get the job done.
>>
>>Doug
>
>where can i get this? does it work with the frontier runtime.

I don't know if Dave is sharing his scripts at this point. Probably not,
would be my guess. I'll ask him. But in any case, it really shouldn't be
that hard to write. It's mostly a matter of text parsing and maintaining
tables (lists). I would expect any such system to work fine with Runtime.

Doug

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 1994 20:31:05 +0000
From:    Kyraden <[e-mail]>
Subject: I got this?

Any one ever gotten this from the listserv here?:

Sorry. Your message could not be delivered:
Message contained no valid addresses.

The subject line was: NDN: Newbie on Timer function
and I never sent a message like that. Any ideas?

| Jaeson M. Engle    ||    [e-mail]  |
         www server: http://josaiah.sewanee.edu/          )

------------------------------

Date:    Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:03:17 -0600
From:    Dennis Whiteman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Script Editor WorldScript bug fix?

I never noticed the problem under 7.1.2, AppleScript 1.1, and Script Editor
1.1 (or 1.1.1, which I used for a week or so), but it was one of the first
things I noticed after installed System 7.5. I'm now using B&W formatting for
my scripts, which is less informative but works better.

I've noticed something else that's strange, though it might fall under the
category of a system problem. My shared libraries, ObjectSupportLib and
AppleScriptLib have had generic icons ever since I installed System 7.5. Has
anyone else noticed this and isn't it odd?

 ------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, Thu, Nov 17, 1994 ------

Too minor for Power Macs -- do the earlier versions of the script editor
have the "off by n" clicking problem under script editor 1.1 or 1.0?

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer

------------------------------

Date:    Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:22:45 -0600
From:    Dennis Whiteman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: backgrounding an applescript application

I'm sure others here will offer better solutions, but I'm running certain
applets overnight using QuicKeys' timer function.

For instance, I have a Check Mail applet that I run at the same time every
morning. Rather than having it launch as a startup script, I opted to handle
it this way because I have three other startup scripts and wanted to give
this one full attention when it was running since they all seem to get
launced concurrently.

Also, I tried Chron when it was version 1.0 and it ran applets fine. It was
just too  unstable at that time for my uses. I should probably look at one of
the newer version because I really liked the concept.

Dennis L. Whiteman
THE ULTIMATE FREELANCER
[e-mail]

 ------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, Thu, Nov 17, 1994 ------

Here's what I'm trying to do: I have a little script that, if it's two
minutes after midnight, quits Filemaker Pro if it's open, opens a Filemaker
database, and then quits it. I'm doing this so that the Today function gets
recalculated every day and at a time when no one is using it so they don't
have to sit through the calculation.
Clearly, this script needs to be open at all times, and I can't trust the
users of the system not to quit it if they see it in the application menu.
Hence my question....

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

Aaron Brockett
[e-mail]

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Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 01:08:06 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kee Nethery <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Kee's show and tell

I've been up to my fingers in scripting and figured I should give a show
and tell.

I am automating a shareware collection system which has email that gets
parsed, paper mail that gets entered and then parsed, email that gets
generated and sent out, data flying everywhere, and various applications
that need to interact.

After getting frustrated with FaceSpan, I started using HyperCard as my
User Interface builder. So most of my UI is in HyperTalk.

I have a sequence of tasks that are partly AppleScript and partly HyperTalk
so I built a set of buttons, each with a HyperTalk or AppleScript task. I
pass data between these scripts in card fields. Yes I know it's crude but
it gives me the ability to debug each button separately because the data
stays in the card fields.

The thing that ties it all together is a HyperTalk button that sends doit
to each button in turn. The Hypertalk buttons have an "on doit" script and
the AppleScript buttons have an "on doit()" script. Each button is in the
same radio button group so as they get sent the "doit", their radio button
gets hilited. It's satifying watching the buttons blink.

I have melded HyperCard, MacAuthorize (credit card verifications), Eudora,
into one happy process. Soon I'll be adding the Finder to delete files and
DataScript to talk to a DAL server but that's a bit away. I'll also be
adding in some networking to store text files on other machines. It's all
coming together and I realize that without all this cool infrastructure,
this would not have been possible last year.

It's probably worth talking about roadkill I've encountered along the way.

FaceSpan was the first. It was just too painful to get it to do what I
wanted. Think of it as an abandoned card on the highway. It limps along if
you baby it but after a while it's faster to hitchhike and catch another
ride.

Beyond's PowerRules for the Mac was just not a real AppleScript product.
The version numbers were really a measure of the entropy in the code. Each
release was able to execute fewer and fewer of the sample scripts. Think of
it as true roadkill, a big fat cow that has caused a multi-vehicle pile-up
(did you see the pictures of the Denver pileup?)

StarNine's PowerTalk SMTP gateway for PowerTalk is a good product. It did
what it was supposed to do but without a way to script the PowerTalk In
Tray, it was of limited value for my project. Think of it as someone who
was run over trying to prevent the cow from wandering onto the highway. A
nice entity trying to do the right thing but in the wrong place at the
wrong time.

Informed is also a good product but I needed lots of text parsing, the kind
of thing that HyperTalk seems to have been built for. It competed with
HyperCard and lost. I also thought of using it for the data collection on
the client side but the cost for licensing was too high and the size is
huge. Peter Lewis wrote a small data collection app in pascal that works
great. Think of it as a mobile home when what I needed was a VW dune buggy.

DataScript is waiting in the wings. It provides an AppleScript front-end to
relational databases such as SQL and DAL. I did some tests with it a while
back and found the software and the company to be great. It's the on-ramp
ahead that will get me onto the larger highway.

Butler DAL from Everywhere is a relational database server that runs on the
Mac. It is low cost but full featured and if I outgrow it as a DAL server,
I can painlessly replace it with any other bigger faster DAL server (AS400,
VAX, whatever). It's that suburb with all the infrastructure that is very
close to a major metropolis.

That's about it for the present, past, and future cast of my little
project. There is still lots for me to do but I feel very confident that my
current tools are up for the job.

Kee Nethery

_______________________________________________________________
Kagi Shareware, 1442-A Walnut #392, Berkeley, CA 94709-1405 USA
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 01:29:29 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: buyer's remorse

Barry wrote:

> which worked with everything I was trying to run on it. (And, yes,
> another $25 bucks here or there  _is_ a big deal to me. If you want to
> try being my agent and making my surplus of talents a boon rather than
> an impediment to my income you're welcome, otherwise keep your opinions
> on the value of a dollar to yourselves.)

Pardon me while I snicker.  I work for a multi-million dollar corporation, and
I still need to be aware of where I throw $25 at.  Don't matter how much money
you have, you still have to be careful with it, IMHO.  Then again, I'm in
accounting . . . :)

> I doodled out late one night. The crashes I get are so random
> and unreproducible, I don't know where to begin to stabilize
> things. Anyone seen any compilations of actual real figured
> out incompatabilities anywhere?

Mind if I commiserate?

I'm using an Apple Quadra 630 (another horror story.  Don't get me started).
The Q630 has ONE SIMM slot.  That means I can install one RAM chip.  It comes
with 4M on-board, and my company rightly felt that for my needs, 12M would be
good enough, so they got me an 8M SIMM.  My current system, without some stuff
I'd like to run, is about 3800K.  When I installed Sys 7.5, it was using
somewhere on the order of 5.something megs.  That's without Quickdraw GX or
any of the other bonuses ...

Oh, and it was a bit slower.  And cludgier.  And more of a disk space hog.
and my programs were behaving strangely.

Uhh, thanks.  No thanks.  I got the AppleScript SDK and the Scriptable Finder
(I spent the $25 about 3-4 months before the upgrade, when we needed the
Finder *NOW* for a project I was working on), and system 7.1.2P, and I'm a
happy (relatively) camper.

We get Sys 7.5 for people at our company who justify why they should have it,
but we mostly seem to use it for compatibility testing, rather than for
functionality.

-roy, who happens to work for the same company that now employs the project
manager for the Scriptable Finder :)

-roy
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 13:00:35 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Perlman Mike <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scripting MS Mail

I need to control MS Mail via AppleScript.

Can anyone give any suggestions on how to do this?

Thanks
Mike Perlman
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:19:34 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Diana Oswald <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: I got this?

In message <[e-mail]> Macintosh Scripting Systems
writes:
> Any one ever gotten this from the listserv here?:
>
> Sorry. Your message could not be delivered:
> Message contained no valid addresses.
>
> The subject line was: NDN: Newbie on Timer function
> and I never sent a message like that. Any ideas?
>

I got it, too and I never sent a message so it was a big mystery to me, too.
Maybe somebody accidentally sent that to the list?

********************************************************************************
Diana Oswald
Financial Policy Development
[phone]
http://www.fpd.finop.umn.edu

Today is the tommorrow that
you worried about yesterday.
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:34:33 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Steve Alex <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Service Message

>Report on your message to: /U=Unknown/@mr.wyeth.com
>Reason: Unable to transfer; message formatting problem (1)
>Diagnostic: Maximum time expired (5)
>Supplementary information: Message was undeliverable to Microsoft mail.  Error
> confirming server address %ATK-E-NBP_NAMNOTFOU, Name was not found
>Arrival-date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 23:00:23 EST

...Going on to send the digest back to the list.

Am I the only one getting these? This is the second or third one I've
received. Looks like someone putting their faith in Mr. Gates and Micro$oft
solving all the problems in the world :-)

Steve Alex                                 ([e-mail])

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Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 09:26:35 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Deirdre Saoirse-Savino <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Service Message

....yes please, do NOT send the entire digest back. I've read all of them
already and don't know if there's anything useful without reading the whole
thing again.

_Deirdre
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Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 08:01:23 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dennis Whiteman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re(2): backgrounding an applescript application

Yeah, I'm leaning toward that approach mainly because my check mail script
takes over everything and I'd like to set it up some idle handlers rather
than some of the repeat loops I have happening now. Plus, there's a bunch of
other stuff I'd like to implement in my Swiss Army applet. But where do I
find the time. Does anyone know of an osax that allows you to do 60 minutes
of work in 30 minutes?

Dennis L. Whiteman
THE ULTIMATE FREELANCER
[e-mail]

 ------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, Fri, Nov 18, 1994 ------

You could also vary the technique to store a list of files to run a script
on, or any of a zillion permutations.  Regardless, you can put this script
into your startup folder and it will run your scripts, one at a time.

Jon
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Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 08:23:07 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dennis Whiteman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: buyer's remorse

> When I heard about the System 7.5 upgrade I
> thought, "that sounds like a good deal. I can
> get the Scriptable Finder, which I otherwise
> would have to pay at least $25 for, and all
> that other stuff thrown in for a few bucks
> more."

I originally thought that also, but Apple released version 1.2 of the Finder
Scripting extension to on-line services (and to their ftp sites) a month or
so before I ordered 7.5. I went ahead and ordered the upgrade because after a
lot of thought I decided I needed/wanted PowerTalk. In my mind, PowerTalk is
worth every cent of the price of the upgrade (even with its bugs).

> And, yes, another $25 bucks here or there  _is_
> a big deal to me.

$25 is just as important to me. But in my case, I paid $35 for the 7.5
upgrade based on my June Power Mac purchase and it was worth every cent. I'm
not sure I would have paid $99. Now, I have some doubts about buying the ARA
2.0.1 upgrade since some of what I use ARA for could have been done with
direct dialup, but the 7.5 upgrade was a good deal.

> Is there any way of using the Scriptable Finder
> as it came with 7.5 with the old System.

I d/led the Finder Scripting Extension 1.2 a month or so ago. It works with
Finder 7.1.3 or later. Obviously, this ships with Power Macs, but it was was
also part of a Macintosh Drag and Drop package I d/led from eWorld. Note that
this Finder is not in every D&D package, but for some reason it was in the
one that I originally d/led a couple of months ago.

> The crashes I get are so random and
> unreproducible, I don't know where to begin to
> stabilize things. Anyone seen any compilations
> of actual real figured out incompatabilities
> anywhere?

I get some wierd crashes, but I've finally got everything close to stable. My
first problem was with my hard disk driver (APS 2.8.2 vs APS 3.0.5). Then, I
tossed the Color Lookup extension and also the Apple Menu Items control
panel. I've been going through like a mad man and junking things that just
aren't worth the RAM (I've got to pay for the extra 2 or 3 megs used by
PowerTalk somehow). I'm seriously considering RAMDoubler, but I wonder if it
won't introduce more problems than it solves. I suppose my next task will be
to junk the desktop patterns, but I'm getting attached to the placemat
one.;-{>=

Dennis L. Whiteman
THE ULTIMATE FREELANCER
[e-mail]
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Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 09:30:57 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         John Schettino <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: buyer's remorse

Caution: non AppleScript message!

I've been watching the Mac system newsgroup for a while to see what the
deal was with system 7.5. Some people love it, others hate it, have
problems, etc.

There are *THREE* things you can do with system 7.5 that seem to make it
work much better:

1) update your disk driver using the new Apple HD SC Setup if you have an
Apple drive, or get the latest driver from your 3rd party drive
manufacturer. Why? Because on all Quadras and PowerMacs the OS will use the
new Scuzzy Manager if the driver's updated (and your disk 0/i will be
faster) *OR USE THE COMPATIBILTY DRIVER WHICH MAKES YOUR DISK I/O SLOWER*
if you stay with an old driver.

2) do a *clean* install, not an update! Do this by
        - dragging finder out of your current System Folder
        - renaming your System Folder to "Old System Folder"
        - proceed with the install

        - move back all your CPs and extensions and prefs (but not the
finder prefs) to the new system folder

3) trash any CPs or extentions you are not going to use, turn off "Remember
recently used items" in Apple Menu Options, set your disk cache to 512kb,
dump any fonts you are not using.


I've been running a PowerMac 7100 and a Centris 650 with 7.5 after doing a
clean install and they are slightly faster, use about .5mb more memory for
the system (mostly disk cache) and crash less that 7.1.


Give these suggestions a try if you're having problems with 7.5


Why? (Ah, the AppleScript Part!) Because if people are interested in buying
7.5 then we'll have a larger base of users of AppleScript, and that's a
good thing (tm)



- john

-----------------------------------------
[e-mail]             GTE Laboratories
John Schettino                Waltham, MA
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Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 09:49:25 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kyraden <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Service Message

>Am I the only one getting these? This is the second or third one I've
>received. Looks like someone putting their faith in Mr. Gates and Micro$oft
>solving all the problems in the world :-)
>
>Steve Alex                                 ([e-mail])
>

Nope, I too have received them 3 times this morning. But I also have gotten
just about all of my mesages several times today...hmm....

| Jaeson M. Engle    ||    [e-mail]  |
         www server: http://josaiah.sewanee.edu/          )
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Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 08:54:31 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Michael Adams <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Maybe Applescript, maybe not

I have a problem that is driving me kumquats (I'm not as fond of bananas).
It may be an applescript problem or it may be a network problem. If anyone
has any insight, I would be grateful.

The situation:
I have set up a mailing list on a novell server using maiser software. It
listens on port 25. It works beautifully when I send a message via Eudora.
My pop server is on an RS-6000.

On my machine I have altered the "send mail" script of Atul Butte so that
when I drop a text file on it, the script reads the first line of the text
file, uses that as the subject line, and then automatically mails the rest
of the text file as a mail message. This will be extremely useful as I am
about to begin teaching a class via email. This way I can prepare "lessons"
as text files and simply drop them on the droplet.

This script works like a dream when sending it to myself on the pop server.
But when I try to send it to the novell server list, I get the message
"Syntax error in parameters or arguments". I clear that message and I get
another one, "Error in parameters or arguments 501." I have looked in
EasyErrors and 501 is not a valid error message for a Mac. I don't know if
this is a MacTCP error, an OSAX error, a network error or what.

Why would it work as advertised when going to the pop server, but won't go
to the novell server?

Even some insight on where to look or what to fiddle with would be helpful.


======================\/======================
Michael Adams
Writer/Editor, University News & Publications
University of Northern Colorado, Greeley, Colorado 80639
[e-mail]

This message sent using recycled electrons. Please recycle again.
======================/\=======================
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Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:52:00 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Hadfield <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: backgrounding an applescript application

>I want to know how to make an applescript saved as a stay open application
>stay in the background (as in, not appearing in the application menu) at
>all times.
>
>Here's what I'm trying to do: I have a little script that, if it's two
>minutes after midnight, quits Filemaker Pro if it's open, opens a Filemaker
>database, and then quits it. I'm doing this so that the Today function gets
>recalculated every day and at a time when no one is using it so they don't
>have to sit through the calculation.
>Clearly, this script needs to be open at all times, and I can't trust the
>users of the system not to quit it if they see it in the application menu.
>Hence my question.
>
>I tried a horrendous hack which, not surprisingly, didn't work: I opened
>the size resource with ResEdit and checked the "Always Background" bit.
>When launched, the script did in fact go into the background, but it also
>crashed my computer when I checked the application menu.
>
>If anyone had other ideas about how to do this, that would be appreciated
>too. I tried to use Cron to do this, but couldn't for the life of me get it
>to open a file. I could beep with it, flash dialogs, open a _program_,
>etcetera, but I absolutely couldn't get it to open a file.
>
>Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
>
>Aaron Brockett
>[e-mail]

I would recommend using FaceSpan to create your applet.  FaceSpan allows
you to define your applets menu bar ie. remove quit from the menu bar.
This should stop your users from quitting it.  Of course they could do a
force quit but but hey, they could also just push the computer off the
desk...

Mark Hadfield
[e-mail]
The Hospital For Sick Children
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Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:58:17 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kyraden <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: buyer's remorse

[...]
 I'm seriously considering RAMDoubler, but I wonder if it
>won't introduce more problems than it solves. I suppose my next task will be
>to junk the desktop patterns, but I'm getting attached to the placemat
>one.;-{>=
>

I've been using RAMDoubler & MaxRAM (ftpable) for some yime now (2 months?)
w/ 7.1 with no problems. I think it is definately worth the $$ and you can
get it for about 50 from the redistributors (I think it's 99 from
Connectrix).

| Jaeson M. Engle    ||    [e-mail]  |
         www server: http://josaiah.sewanee.edu/          )
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Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 09:18:29 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Christian Jacobsen <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: buyer's remorse

                       Subject:                               Time:8:56 AM
  OFFICE MEMO          RE>buyer's remorse                     Date:11/17/94

Barry Sez:
  > "I'm assuming, anyway, from my one experiment with it that I _can't_ use
  > the Finder that came with 7.5 with my 7.1 System."

Aaaauuuuggghhh!!  Mixing parts of different Systems WILL result in a hosed
hard drive, and most likey hosed data as well.  Mixing System components is
like trying to fit your bicycle with your car's engine....suicide.

  > "...attempting to disable the old Finder without actually throwing it away
was to put it on the
  > Desktop? Was that my mistake?"

Having multiple Systems ("System" being a generic term for the set of software
that controls your hard disk) on a single volume will cause problems.

  > "Is there any way of using the Scriptable Finder as it came with
  > 7.5 with the old System."

Again, System Software is a suite of software parts that are put together to
create a single, cohesive, compatible engine that controls the function of
your computer.  While you may (with much frustration and effort) be able to
create a "FrankenSystem" that will seem to work, remember that Dr.
Frankenstein's creation _seemed_ to work as well.  And we all know how that
turned out.

  > "I suppose I'll want to throw in the towel and keep living in the
future..."

Remember that the System writes all of your data to the hard disk, and then
makes a catalog of what is on the disk (called a "directory").  If the System
is questionable, then it is only logical to assume that the data on the hard
disk is questionable.  (Yes, including the directory.  So files that have
nothing to do with AppleScript of the System Folder [i.e - your data] may be
hosed or lost as well.)  At this point, my (albeit extreme, but safe)
suggestion is to backup what little data may be salvageable, reformat the hard
disk, and reinstall the System (whicher one you choose, but _only_one_!), then
copy your data back to the drive.  Otherwise you can never be sure that your
directory map is not just going to up and explode one day.  (Not trying to be
fatalistic, I just know that after doing 8+ years of Tech Support, this is not
an unreasonable scenario.)

  > "The crashes I get are so random and unreproducible, I
  > don't know where to begin to stabilize things. Anyone seen any
  > compilations of actual real figured out incompatabilities anywhere?"

Just to reiterate; the problem is not incompatibilities, but an unstable
FrankenSystem.  The best way to isolate random crashes is a program from
Casady & Greene called Conflict Catcher.  Apple uses it in Software
Development to assist in their troubleshooting, but it is simle enough to be
used by the most inexperienced user.


Finally, I do not mean to publicly ream you.  I am just trying to be verbose
so that anyone else considering similar actions know what they are getting
into.  Messing with the System is dangerous stuff.  Before doing so in the
future, anyone considering these kinds of actions should consider, "Do I
really think that I know the System better than the whole fleet of Apple
Software Engineers that created it?"

Hope the information I provided above gives you the help you need to get back
up and running, as well as help you understand how the System works a little
better.

- Christian
[e-mail]

*** The opinions expressed herein are MINEMINEMINEMINE!!!! ***
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:54:23 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Messina <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Eudora Announcer script

I have some free time today, so I'm trying to set up the Eudora Announcer
1.0 script by Roel Vertegaal and Ronald Leenes.

I have installed in my Scripting Additions Folder:

Gestalt OSAX
Eudora Notification Rev 2 OSAX

I also have installed:

Speech Manager
Applescript (of course)
Eudora 2.1

In short, all the pieces seem to be in place.  I fire up Eudora Announcer,
but when new mail arrives, nothing happens.

I think the answer lies in this bit of the description text from Eudora
Announcer:

"It will get a notification event (in background !!) from Eudora once you
have notified Eudora to do so by using the Eudora Notify
Controller."


What exactly does this mean?  Do I have to add a little script which will
have Eudora send out a notify event whenever new mail comes?


Thanks for any assistance,

David



--

David Messina
[e-mail]
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Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:37:25 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jeff Johnson <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Users, Groups, Program Linking

Hello everyone!

Sorry if this is a rehash of something previously covered in this mail
list, but I'm a newbie (covering head in shame) to MACSCRPT.

The Users and Groups control panel appears to be fairly unscriptable via
the System 7.5 Finder.  You can set the user name and some trivial
properties of the user, but you can't set the password or turn sharing or
program linking or remote access capabilities on or off through scripts.
Clearly Apple wanted to prevent massive security breaches by preventing
access to these user properties.

I am developing an application in which I need to create a specific user
name, with password, and turn program linking on for that user.  I can't do
it wit the Scriptable Finder directly, but I was wondering if there are any
OSAXen out there which have this capability.  If not I can live with just
opening the Users and Groups control panel for the user and prompting them
to create the user whose privileges I need, but I'd like a cleaner way to
do it, if possible.  Hard to do that without opening the system to all
sorts of security holes, though.

If anyone has heard of a public-key encryption OSAX for transferring secure
information across PPC, I'd also like to know about that.

Thanks!



Jeff Johnson

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Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:46:52 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Eudora Announcer script

>I have some free time today, so I'm trying to set up the Eudora Announcer
>1.0 script by Roel Vertegaal and Ronald Leenes.
>
>"It will get a notification event (in background !!) from Eudora once you
>have notified Eudora to do so by using the Eudora Notify
>Controller."
>
>
>What exactly does this mean?  Do I have to add a little script which will
>have Eudora send out a notify event whenever new mail comes?
>
Execute the following script in the script editor:

tell application "Eudora 2.1"
    notify alias "theDisk:theFolder:Eudora Announcer 1.0" when mail arrives
end tell

You only have to do it once.

    David

David Lewis     Seagate Technology      [phone]  [e-mail]
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Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 13:49:40 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Duffield <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Users, Groups, Program Linking
In-Reply-To:  Jeff Johnson <[e-mail]> "Users, Groups,
              Program Linking" (Nov 17, 10:37am)

On Nov 17, 10:37am, Jeff Johnson wrote:
> Subject: Users, Groups, Program Linking
> Hello everyone!
>
> Sorry if this is a rehash of something previously covered in this mail
> list, but I'm a newbie (covering head in shame) to MACSCRPT.
>
> The Users and Groups control panel appears to be fairly unscriptable via
> the System 7.5 Finder.  You can set the user name and some trivial
> properties of the user, but you can't set the password or turn sharing or
> program linking or remote access capabilities on or off through scripts.
> Clearly Apple wanted to prevent massive security breaches by preventing
> access to these user properties.
>

Try
        set file sharing to true
and
        set file sharing to false

I found these in the "Automated Tasks" folder in the Apple Menu under 7.5.

>
> Jeff Johnson
>
>
>-- End of excerpt from Jeff Johnson




--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 Mark J. Duffield                    | [e-mail]
 Sr. Systems Specialist              |
 Preclinical Scientific Computing    | MIME Spoken here.
 Parke Davis Pharmaceutical Research |
 Ann Arbor, MI  48105                |
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Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 19:01:43 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dan Hinckley <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re(2): backgrounding an applescript application

 Does anyone know of an osax that allows you to do 60 minutes
>of work in 30 minutes?
>
>Dennis L. Whiteman

Yup,

It's called TimeDoubler, based on e=mc(squared) <ggg> Hard to find at your
favorite site though...
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Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 19:02:28 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dan Hinckley <[e-mail]>
Subject:      more Eudora

Two questions:

1) This line in a 'Tell app "Eudora.." ' opens a reply message w/the msg
body selected . Anyone tell me whether/how AS can be used to move the
insertion point to the top or bottom of the quoted msg body? I haven't
found an osax for it w/that capacity yet:

>set theReply to reply message n of mailbox "test" with quoting and self

2) Anyone suggest how to test if a mailbox is 'open'? 'Open' doesn't appear
to be a property of a mailbox. FileBusy doesn't seem to help either...
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:04:17 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: buyer's remorse

>Caution: non AppleScript message!

>2) do a *clean* install, not an update! Do this by

Which you can do directly in system 7.5 with mumble-K in the Installer
window (cmd/opt or cmd shift -- try all the combinations). This is
documented in the manual (near the back). I guess they finally realised
that we were tired of the "Clean System" dance.

>3) trash any CPs or extentions you are not going to use, turn off "Remember
>recently used items" in Apple Menu Options, set your disk cache to 512kb,
>dump any fonts you are not using.

Better still do a custom install for only your type of machine (assuming
the system is not on a roving hard disk). The sift out the things your
really don't need.

>Give these suggestions a try if you're having problems with 7.5

We have very few problems with System 7.5 -- its seems pretty stable. And
it gets AppleScript to the masses (as John S said).

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer
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Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:06:19 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jeff Johnson <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Kee's show and tell

You wrote... {a bunch of text deleted}...

>After getting frustrated with FaceSpan, I started using HyperCard as my
>User Interface builder. So most of my UI is in HyperTalk.
>
>I have a sequence of tasks that are partly AppleScript and partly HyperTalk
>so I built a set of buttons, each with a HyperTalk or AppleScript task. I
>pass data between these scripts in card fields. Yes I know it's crude but
>it gives me the ability to debug each button separately because the data
>stays in the card fields.
...
>It's probably worth talking about roadkill I've encountered along the way.
>
>FaceSpan was the first. It was just too painful to get it to do what I
>wanted. Think of it as an abandoned card on the highway. It limps along if
>you baby it but after a while it's faster to hitchhike and catch another
>ride.
....
>
>Kee Nethery
>
>_______________________________________________________________
>Kagi Shareware, 1442-A Walnut #392, Berkeley, CA 94709-1405 USA

Kee,

What exactly did you find troublesome about FaceSpan?  I'm writing a fairly
complex application in it right now, and although it was kind of weird at
the beginning, I find i perfectly comfortable now.  I wish it had an
interactive debugger (are you listening, nice people at SDU? I hope so),
and I've found a few redraw problems, but overall I'm fairly impressed.
(This comes after years of developing in HyperCard and a frustrating
experience trying to program something that looks a lot like FaceSpan but
uses a superset of HyperTalk, which I won't mention by name).  FaceSpan
could use a few extra goodies, like drag and drop support, and I wouldn't
mind if it executed scripts a bit more quickly.

The one thing I do think's a bit weird about implementing scripts that
control the same application on a number of Macs at once is that I have to
write them out as text, substituting in the name of the Mac to which I want
to send the events, and then execute the entire thing as a script object.
For example, if I collect a list of Macs running PPCToolBox from the
network, and I want to send the same script to the Finder on each of these
Macs, I have to write the script out as text, substitute in the name of
each Mac, copy the whole schmear into the script container of some object,
and then tell that object to execute its script.  I wish there were a nicer
way to do this.  Something like:

copy "Zone" to zoneName
copy {"Mac One","Mac Two","Mac Three"} to macList
repeat with macName in macList
tell application "Finder" of machine macName in zone zoneName
   ... miscellaneous Finder commands...
end tell

This would be very nice.  Having to work around it is a pain in the butt,
and slow besides.

Maybe this is just a limitation of FaceSpan.  Or is it a limitation of
AppleScript in particular?

Best regards,



Jeff Johnson

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Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:10:06 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Doug Baron <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Frontier Listserv scripts (was Listserv scripts for the Mac)

At  8:43 PM 11/15/94 -0500, Jay Thomas wrote:
>>>Someone recently asked on the info-mac list about being able to provide
>>>listserv email list management and processing on the Mac.  While I haven't
>>>seen anything to do this (at least in shareware), it occurred to me that
>>>with the latest 1.0b8 version of MailShare, a freeware POP email server for
>>>the mac, that this might be possible through some scripting, so I thought I
>>>would run this by you and see if anyone has worked on this.
>>>
>>>       .....
>>>
>>>Does anyone have any feedback or suggestions on how this could be done
>>>better on a Mac or things that I've overlooked that I should consider
>>>before spending time on playing around with scripts to do this?
>>>
>>
>>My only suggestion would be that you might use Frontier. I know that Dave
>>Winer has implemented pretty much what you descibe with just Frontier and
>>Eudara alone. No need for the scriptable finder, osax, or anything else to
>>get the job done.
>>
>>Doug
>
>where can i get this? does it work with the frontier runtime.

The answer, from Dave:

At  7:23 AM 11/17/94 -0800, Dave Winer wrote:
>Doug:
>
>It will work with Frontier Runtime just fine.
>
>And the scripts will be freely available. Just want to make a couple more
>passes at cleaning them up so they're good sample code.
>
>If possible, pass this message onto the MACSCRPT mailing list.
>
>Dave
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Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:23:08 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: buyer's remorse

>I suppose I'll want to throw in the towel and keep living in the future,
>anyway, but the Scriptable Finder is the main thing keeping me with 7.5 at
>the moment, aside from the pretty little desktop pattern I doodled out
>late one night. The crashes I get are so random and unreproducible, I
>don't know where to begin to stabilize things. Anyone seen any
>compilations of actual real figured out incompatabilities anywhere?

System 7.5 is quite stable.  There are some old INITs and applications
which have long been broken, and which cause more problems with 7.5 than
they did.  These will only become older, stay broken, and cause more
problems in the future.  Sooner or later, you'll have to get rid of
them...why not now?

I'm not having System 7.5 problems, and have no intention of going back
(except for one system on a Syquest, which I can run a couple of times a
year when I need to use the fax side of my fax modem...pending some fax
software house getting its act together).

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:23:12 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: I got this?

>In message <[e-mail]> Macintosh Scripting Systems
>writes:
>> Any one ever gotten this from the listserv here?:
>>
>> Sorry. Your message could not be delivered:
>> Message contained no valid addresses.
>>
>> The subject line was: NDN: Newbie on Timer function
>> and I never sent a message like that. Any ideas?
>>
>
>I got it, too and I never sent a message so it was a big mystery to me, too.
>Maybe somebody accidentally sent that to the list?

Internet mail systems bounce messages back to the apparent sender if there
are any of thousands of possible problems with them (in the case at hand,
it seems to be a bogus address).  These are automated...the programs don't
care if you ask them not to...some send the whole message back, some don't.

List server programs work very had to avoid reflecting those bounce
messages to the lists they operate.

Internet mail systems work very hard to produce new style bounce messages
which the list server programs don't recognize as such.  In this case, a
mailer has succeeded in fooling the list server at Dartmouth (one of the
better list servers, too).

It's one of the seven wonders of the Internet.

[It's also why you find yourself unsubscribed from lists you are on if you
let your mailbox fill up for very long...part of the defensive actions by
the list server programs and the list owners.]

For light reading:  "The Unix Haters Handbook"  [yes, the Unix members of
the community are large contributors to the problem] Garfinkel, Weise &
Strassmann (with an "anti-foreward" by Dennis Ritchie).  ISBN 1-56884-203-1

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 13:44:23 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Stephen E. Collins" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Re(2): backgrounding an applescript application

In message <[e-mail]> Macintosh Scripting
Systems writes:
>  Does anyone know of an osax that allows you to do 60 minutes
> >of work in 30 minutes?
> >
> >Dennis L. Whiteman
>
> Yup,
>
> It's called TimeDoubler, based on e=mc(squared) <ggg> Hard to find at your
> favorite site though...

Not at all!  It's going to be available on all the major archive sites
beginning tomorrow.


Stephen E. Collins   <URL:http://www.micro.umn.edu/staff/sec>
University of Minnesota             [e-mail]
Distributed Computing Services   [phone] Fax: [phone]

            Remember to give back to the net.
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 08:57:00 +1300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: OSAX source??

"Allan R. Crump Jr" <[e-mail]> writes:

>I am an avid learner in programming and have enjoyed every moment of
>putting the finishing touches on my first application. For my next
>project, I am trying to finish up my first OSAX, written in Think Pascal.
>I am having a bit of trouble however, with the compiler complaining that
>"THEPORT" is not defined. I have insured that all of the correct
>libraries are added to the project and in the right order, and that my
>syntax is correct.

Bad, bad. "thePort" is a QuickDraw global, which lives in the A5 world.
Only applications have their own A5 worlds; your osax does not. Thus, it
cannot access QuickDraw globals in the conventional way, using names like
"thePort".

Thought: are you calling InitGraf? You don't need to. Maybe that's all the
problem is.

>Would someone (preferably a Pascal programmer) be willing to post or
>forward some source code on the creation of their OSAX so I can compare and
>see what I may be doing wrong ?

I'd be willing to share some Modula-2 code, since that's what I write my
stuff in.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Computer Services Dept                     fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 13:22:49 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Ralph Risch <[e-mail]>
Subject:      BeyondMenus XTension

   Those of you that script QuarkXPress might want to download Acrobyte's new
BeyondMenus XTension - among other things, BeyondMenus adds a 'Scripts' menu
to XPress which reflects the contents of a 'Scripts' folder in the QuarkXPress
folder. Placing a script in this folder causes it to appear in the menu (you
can create hierarchies), and you can assign key equivalents to any script.
   Scripts are also executed in-context (they're _fast_), and BeyondMenus also
caches the script executables for additional speed. (There is more
 functionality,
but I'll let you download it to find out :-)).

BeyondMenus is available at the following locations:

ftp://sumex-aim.stanford.edu/info-mac/app/quark-beyond-menus-10.hqx

Compuserve:
        Mac DTP Forum - Demos
        Quark Forum - XTensions

eWorld:
        Ziff Software

AOL:
        DeskTop Publishing/Software
        Quark/3rd party XTensions
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 09:48:00 +1300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: buyer's remorse

Barry Chern <[e-mail]> writes:

>I'm assuming, anyway, from my one experiment with it that I _can't_ use
>the Finder that came with 7.5 with my 7.1 System. It seemed to work at
>first, but I couldn't move anything to or from the Desktop. Or, was that
>just because my way of attempting to disable the old Finder without
>actually throwing it away was to put it on the Desktop?

I'm sure Finder 7.1.3/7.1.4 with System 7.1 will work. My method of disabling
the Finder is to rename it with ResEdit. I currently have three Finders in
my System Folder: the original Finder 7.1.4, a patched version to disable
the no-oping of the scrollbar delay, and a working copy of the latter, which
is what I'm currently running.

What exactly happened when you tried moving stuff to/from the desktop?

>I suppose I'll want to throw in the towel and keep living in the future,
>anyway, but the Scriptable Finder is the main thing keeping me with 7.5 at
>the moment, aside from the pretty little desktop pattern I doodled out
>late one night.

I've been using the Desktop Textures collection for some time now, and that's
much more fun than the fairly boring patterns that come with 7.5. And when I
sent them the shareware fee, they mailed me a disk with some more patterns on
it!

> The crashes I get are so random and unreproducible, I
>don't know where to begin to stabilize things.

For each of the 7.5 installs that I've done, I've followed a procedure like
the following:
  * turn on the RAM disk. Make it big enough to hold a copy of the System,
    Finder, any necessary System Enabler, Disk First Aid and HD SC Setup
    (or an appropriate third-party alternative). If you're installing the
    new system from a CD-ROM, you'll also need the CD-ROM driver. If you're
    installing from an AppleShare server, you'll need the Chooser and
    AppleShare extension, plus the EtherTalk extension if you're on Ethernet.
  * Having copied these things to the RAM disk, set your startup disk to the
    RAM disk and restart.
  * Run Disk First Aid to check out your hard disk, and fix any problems it
    finds. Run HD SC Setup, or whatever your favourite hard disk formatting
    utility is, and make sure your drivers are up to date. If you've got a
    non-Apple hard disk, I have had good results with the FWB Hard Disk Toolkit.
  * Do the install of the new system. If you had any kind of flakiness before,
    it might be safest to do a clean install, rather than update your existing
    system.
  * Having finished the install, you can now switch your startup disk back
    to your hard disk, and restart. After that, you can trash the contents
    of the RAM disk and turn it off.

I know I have one colleague (with a Power Mac 6100/60) who was suffering
incredible random flakiness with his system, just like you report. The single
thing I did that cleared up most of his problems for him was to update his
hard disk driver.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Computer Services Dept                     fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 14:49:15 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Steve Bryan <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: OSAX source??

>I am trying to finish up my first OSAX, written in Think Pascal.
>I am having a bit of trouble however, with the compiler complaining that
>"THEPORT" is not defined.

If the linker complains that "ThePort" is not defined then you are probably
referencing system globals that are not directly available with the
libraries that you need to use for stand alone code like an OSAX. Innocent
loking variables like the patterns 'gray' or 'black' are compiled as
references to offsets from the global variable "ThePort" which is only
directly accessible from an application.

|-------------------------------------------------------------|
Steve Bryan                Internet: [e-mail]
Sexton Software          CompuServe: 76545,527
Minneapolis, MN 55415           Fax: [phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 16:12:18 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kiran Wagle <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Service Message

On 11/17/94, Steve Alex opined:

>> Supplementary information: Message was undeliverable to Microsoft mail.
>> confirming server address %ATK-E-NBP_NAMNOTFOU, Name was not found

> ...Going on to send the digest back to the list.

Digest software should refuse mail from addresses like "root" and
"postmaster" and in fact should send it BACK with a nasty note.  Never mind
runaway vacation programs that respond to themselves.

Furthermore, the mail program calls this kind of thing "service."

(I would also suggest that individuals should buy service from more
reliable providers.  I'd be pretty leery of putting anyone on a mailing
list I ran if their site had been known to spit out this kind of thing.)

~ Kiran

--
1628 5th St NW Washington DC 20001 [phone]/3157 <[e-mail]>
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 16:12:28 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kiran Wagle <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: buyer's remorse

On 11/17/94, Dennis Whiteman opined:

> I'm seriously considering RAMDoubler, but I wonder if it
> won't introduce more problems than it solves.

RAM Doubler works very well until the following two things happen together.

(1) You're running MacTCP (which is a joke in itself)
(2) RD needs to store RAM to disk.

Then you risk a crash.  I've only had this happen ONCE since I installed
the ""040 VM Update" extension, tho.

I became suspicious of RD when I noticed MacsBug reporting I;d dropped into
the debugger allegedly inside procedures which belonged to programs that
weren't even running at the time.

~ Kiran

--
1628 5th St NW Washington DC 20001 [phone]/3157 <[e-mail]>
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 16:53:02 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: buyer's remorse
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" at Nov 18, 94 09:48:00 am

--Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>Barry Chern <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>>I'm assuming, anyway, from my one experiment with it that I _can't_ use
>>the Finder that came with 7.5 with my 7.1 System. It seemed to work at
>>first, but I couldn't move anything to or from the Desktop. Or, was that
>>just because my way of attempting to disable the old Finder without
>>actually throwing it away was to put it on the Desktop?
>
>I'm sure Finder 7.1.3/7.1.4 with System 7.1 will work.

    As am I, since this is what I'm running on my 8100.

>What exactly happened when you tried moving stuff to/from the desktop?

    The problem of not being able to move items from one folder to the
next generally comes about when you don't have all the pieces of the
Drag Manager properly installed. Make sure you have the 1.1 version of
the Macintosh Drag and Drop extension installed. Your best bet is to
just get a fresh copy of the complete install from ftp.apple.com.

-Hades
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 17:55:14 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Deirdre Saoirse-Savino <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: BeyondMenus XTension

[e-mail] (Ralph Risch) says:
> Those of you that script QuarkXPress might want to
>  download Acrobyte's new BeyondMenus XTension - among
>  other things, BeyondMenus adds a 'Scripts' menu to
>  XPress which reflects the contents of a 'Scripts' folder
>  in the QuarkXPress folder. Placing a script in this
>  folder causes it to appear in the menu (you can create
>  hierarchies), and you can assign key equivalents to any
>  script.

Quark XTensions are very cool; Quark is very nice and gives you a great deal
of control over the program. I just wish I'd known about scripting THEN (when
I was writing them professionally) because I could have saved a lot of
effort. :D

Then again, none of the product's users had AppleScript....

_Deirdre
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 17:55:22 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Deirdre Saoirse-Savino <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: OSAX source??

While this is true, you can use GetPort to get the current GrafPort. Think C
allows you to use the Setup/Restore A4. Though I haven't tried it from an
osax, it works well enough from an LDEF.

You should not be initializing managers (e.g. InitGraf) btw.

_Deirdre

[e-mail] (Steve Bryan) says:
> If the linker complains that "ThePort" is not defined
>  then you are probably referencing system globals that
>  are not directly available with the libraries that you
>  need to use for stand alone code like an OSAX. Innocent
>  loking variables like the patterns 'gray' or 'black' are
>  compiled as references to offsets from the global
>  variable "ThePort" which is only directly accessible
>  from an application.
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 17:55:35 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Deirdre Saoirse-Savino <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Grr...More Scripting from C issues

I have this code fragment (below). I am reading in not a text resource, but a
glob saved to a text file (no styles, just plain old text). I read it in. It
compiles fine, but it won't execute. The text it's reading in is further down
-- and was copied and pasted to said text file from the AppleScript Editor,
so I know it's right.

I get an error -1753 (ScriptError) when I try OSAExecute. By the way, it's
launching the app, so I know the first document is indeed document 1.

  HLock(scriptText);

  myErr = AECreateDesc('TEXT', *scriptText, GetHandleSize(scriptText),
&sourceData);

  progressMsg("\pCompiling Scriptx");
  myErr = OSACompile(gScriptingComponent, &sourceData, modeFlags,
&ourScriptRef);

  // We've now compiled the script, so all that's left to do is execute it.

  progressMsg("\pAttempting to Run Scriptx");
  myErr = OSAExecute(gScriptingComponent, ourScriptRef, kOSANullScript,
kOSAModeNull,
     &scriptResult);

  HUnlock(scriptText);


Script text follows:

tell application "Scriptable Text Editor"
 activate
 paste
 select contents of document 1
end tell
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 00:24:15 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         WalrathW <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Users, Groups, Program Linking

> I am developing an application in which I need to create a specific user
> name, with password, and turn program linking on for that user.  I can't do
> it wit the Scriptable Finder directly, but I was wondering if there are any
> OSAXen out there which have this capability.  If not I can live with just
> opening the Users and Groups control panel for the user and prompting them
> to create the user whose privileges I need, but I'd like a cleaner way to
> do it, if possible.  Hard to do that without opening the system to all
> sorts of security holes, though.

Quinn the mighty "Eskimo!" has written the users and groups osaxen. I'm sure
they are probably in the gaea archive but (according to his readme) you can
also get them at:

ftp://redback.cs.uwa.edu.au/Others/Quinn/

> If anyone has heard of a public-key encryption OSAX for transferring secure
> information across PPC, I'd also like to know about that.

I haven't heard of anything like this.

__wayne
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:29:00 CUT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brendan T. Bank" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      FMP AE open with password

I finaly got it, mayby it an FAQ but here it is anyway

Thit is the way to open a file from Userland Frontier with a password included

on open_pw (obj , password)
        return (appleEvent (FileMaker.id, 'aevt', 'odoc', '----', obj,
'pPAS',password))}

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
Brendan Bank       Postal Adress  E-Mail: [e-mail]
Foto Factotum      P.O. Box 335         Voice: ..-31-35-881131
Oosterengweg 44    1200 AH Hilversum      Fax: ..-31-35-881199
1212 KN Hilversum  The Netherlands    Private: ..-31-23-311065
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 15:54:15 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Alexander Broquet <[e-mail]>
Subject:      PhotoFlash Resize Property

                      Subject:                              Time:  3:29 PM
  OFFICE MEMO         PhotoFlash Resize Property            Date:  11/17/94
I'm trying to use PhotoFlash to resize an image and constrain it to file
size.  I can get it to work manually but not via scripting.  Here's a
simplified version of the script...

tell application "PhotoFlash(tm)"
   activate
   make new image at beginning
   resize image of document 1 with file size constrained
   paste
end tell

Before I run the script, I copy a pict to the clipboard. What I would like
PhotoFlash to do is resize the image to fit the size of the image on the
clipboard. Instead I get the default image dimensions (1.78 by 1.78 inches).
I've tried various placements of the resize event with no luck.

Any ideas?
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 17:00:10 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Michael Adams <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Maybe Applescript Yes

I continued to fiddle with this script, trying another mail server that is
also a novell server, and finally got an error message that made more
sense. It says:

Error: Can't get <<class lhst>> of {class:stream status, bytes waiting:0,
connection status:connected, local host:"138.86.11.60",local
port:1569,remote host:"138.86.1.10",remote port:25}. -1728

First off, -1728 is not a Mac error according to easy errors 1.1. Next,
those parameters are the very params in the dictionary of the TCP/IP OSAX
under class:stream status. I was getting more excited by the minute (this
is my first real functional project in scripting).

So I'm left with this question. What is the <<class lhst>>? To what does
that refer?
It looks like everything else in the script was working up to that point.
The parameters mention correct addresses, connected status, etc.

Could this have something to do with the configuration of the novell
mailer? After all, the exact same script works great with a pop server
under AIX.

Any thoughts are appreciated.
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 18:30:38 CST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Peter Fleck - SMM <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Digest dumps

> >Report on your message to: /U=Unknown/@mr.wyeth.com
> >Reason: Unable to transfer; message formatting problem (1)
> >Diagnostic: Maximum time expired (5)
> >Supplementary information: Message was undeliverable to Microsoft mail.
Error
> > confirming server address %ATK-E-NBP_NAMNOTFOU, Name was not found
> >Arrival-date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 23:00:23 EST
>
> ...Going on to send the digest back to the list.
>
> Am I the only one getting these? This is the second or third one I've
> received. Looks like someone putting their faith in Mr. Gates and
Micro$oft
> solving all the problems in the world :-)
>
> Steve Alex                                 ([e-mail])

I'm getting the digest dumped in my mailbox too and I don't subscribe that
way. Got two of them today. Looks like there's some sort of problem.

Peter
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 19:01:38 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kyraden <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Frontier Listserv scripts (was Listserv scripts for the Mac)

>At  7:23 AM 11/17/94 -0800, Dave Winer wrote:
>>Doug:
>>
>>It will work with Frontier Runtime just fine.
>>
>>And the scripts will be freely available. Just want to make a couple more
>>passes at cleaning them up so they're good sample code.
>>
>>If possible, pass this message onto the MACSCRPT mailing list.
>>
>>Dave

Very cool! Can't wait till they're ready!

| Jaeson M. Engle    ||    [e-mail]  |
         www server: http://josaiah.sewanee.edu/          )
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 14:50:00 +1300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Kee's show and tell

Kee Nethery <[e-mail]> relates:

[most of an interesting tale omitted]

>After getting frustrated with FaceSpan, I started using HyperCard as my
>User Interface builder. So most of my UI is in HyperTalk.

Funny, that. HyperCard doesn't get much respect these days. And, let's face
it, it was never purpose-built for anything in particular. But then, that
meant it was equally adaptable for all kinds of uses. And it still remains
one of the most hackable tools around: if it doesn't seem to have the
built-in capability to do something, you can usually work up some kind of
extension to add that capability. Hacking HyperCard is an activity with a
long, well-understood tradition.

Lawrence "Think of it as software plasticine" D'Oliveiro
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 18:53:17 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Klaus P. Fechner" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: buyer's remorse

>I'm assuming, anyway, from my one experiment with it that I _can't_ use
>the Finder that came with 7.5 with my 7.1 System. It seemed to work at
>first, but I couldn't move anything to or from the Desktop. Or, was that
>just because my way of attempting to disable the old Finder without
>actually throwing it away was to put it on the Desktop? Was that my
>mistake? Is there any way of using the Scriptable Finder as it came with
>7.5 with the old System.

Very interesting! Which machine are you using?

I am experiencing the exact same problem, except that I think is is caused
by the Drag&Drop extension (along with Finder 7.1.4 which I got from my 7.5
disk at work). I have run a Now StartupManager check on this and much to my
surprise it pointed out the Drag&Drop extension as the sole culprit. Just
because I don't completely trust all Now software, I tried it also with
absolutely no extensions other than D&D, and it still happened: I can't
drag anything off the desktop or onto a desktop item!

This is on a (don't laugh!) accelerated SE, running 7.1 for lack of an
upgrade of Connectix' Compact Virtual for 7.5 compatibility.

Anyone have any other ideas?

Sorry if this is a little off the mainstream of this list, but I'd love to
have D&D working so I can record some drags in the Finder ;-)

Klaus

Klaus P. Fechner, Palo Alto, CA, USA
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 15:58:00 +1300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: buyer's remorse

"Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]> writes:

>--Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>I'm sure Finder 7.1.3/7.1.4 with System 7.1 will work.
>
>    As am I, since this is what I'm running on my 8100.

I doubt it. Power Macs need at least System 7.1.2, and they all come with
Finder 7.1.4 already.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Computer Services Dept                     fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 21:48:16 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kyraden <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: buyer's remorse

>(1) You're running MacTCP (which is a joke in itself)
>(2) RD needs to store RAM to disk.
Like I said before, I've been running RD for about 2 months now /with
MacTCP/ (1.1.1) and have not noticed anything strange related to it. You
say you were getting stack crawls for apps that weren't running...? Now
that is odd... How did you decide it was RD's fault?

| Jaeson M. Engle    ||    [e-mail]  |
         www server: http://josaiah.sewanee.edu/          )
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 21:54:07 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Karl F. Bridges" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: BeyondMenus XTension
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]> from "Deirdre Saoirse-Savino" at
              Nov 17, 94 05:55:14 pm

        Does anyone know where this Xtension is available over FTP?

>
> [e-mail] (Ralph Risch) says:
> > Those of you that script QuarkXPress might want to
> >  download Acrobyte's new BeyondMenus XTension - among
> >  other things, BeyondMenus adds a 'Scripts' menu to
> >  XPress which reflects the contents of a 'Scripts' folder
> >  in the QuarkXPress folder. Placing a script in this
> >  folder causes it to appear in the menu (you can create
> >  hierarchies), and you can assign key equivalents to any
> >  script.
>
> Quark XTensions are very cool; Quark is very nice and gives you a great deal
> of control over the program. I just wish I'd known about scripting THEN (when
> I was writing them professionally) because I could have saved a lot of
> effort. :D
>
> Then again, none of the product's users had AppleScript....
>
> _Deirdre
>


--


*****************************************************************************
Karl Bridges
[e-mail]
*****************************************************************************
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 16:54:00 +1300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Grr...More Scripting from C issues

Deirdre Saoirse-Savino <[e-mail]> writes:

>I get an error -1753 (ScriptError) when I try OSAExecute.

Did you try calling OSAScriptError, to find out what the error was?

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Computer Services Dept                     fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 23:45:50 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mike Alexander <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: OSAX source??

>While this is true, you can use GetPort to get the current GrafPort. Think C
>allows you to use the Setup/Restore A4. Though I haven't tried it from an
>osax, it works well enough from an LDEF.

Yes, but be careful.  Depending on who is calling you, there may not be a
current GrafPort.  It should be safe enough from an LDEF, but perhaps not
from an osax if it is called by some background process when the machine is
in some strange state.  Osax's may be ok, but I've seen examples in other
code (XTND translators, for example) where they tried to use a non-existant
current GrafPort and crashed.

Mike Alexander              Internet:       [e-mail]
University of Michigan      America Online: MAlexander
ITD - Research Systems      AppleLink:      UMICH
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 22:49:27 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kyraden <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Users, Groups, Program Linking

>> If anyone has heard of a public-key encryption OSAX for transferring secure
>> information across PPC, I'd also like to know about that.
>
>I haven't heard of anything like this.


If it were bAsed on the RSA ("MacPGP") encryption scheme, methinks it would
be quite difficult to compile and still be usable. Maybe you could use
MacPGP 2.6ui which is scriptable to encrypt something and then transfer it,
later decoding it, but that seems sort of tedious...

| Jaeson M. Engle    ||    [e-mail]  |
         www server: http://josaiah.sewanee.edu/          )
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 21:42:00 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         { brad brace } <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Microphone script
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

Just thanks
For the suggestions offered

--
   { brad brace }                               [e-mail]
   ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/bbrace/bbrace.html    ~finger for pgp
                                                               __
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 23:37:13 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Jokinen <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Character mappings used here?

> It doesn't compile because you haven't use the chevron characers.
> To create the chevron characters =AB=BB, use option-\ and shift-option-\.

What message decoding option will allow me to see the special characters used
by some members of this list? I'm running the Mail*Link PT/INET PowerTalk
gateway with the default body text translation, namely: RFC 822->987 USA.

--David
___________________________________________
David Jokinen          [e-mail]
Ground Zero Software   Montreal, Quebec, CA
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 00:28:17 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Jokinen <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Kee's show and tell & FaceSpan

Kee Nethery wrote:
> FaceSpan was the first [roadkill]. It was just too painful to get it
> to do what I wanted. Think of it as an abandoned card on the highway.
> It limps along if you baby it but after a while it's faster to
> hitchhike and catch another ride.

Thanks, Kee, for this enlightening peek behind the scenes of Peter Lewis'
Robotic Shareware Empire [a well-deserved success].

I love FaceSpan, but after working with it in depth, I think Apple and SDU
made a big mistake bundling this thing with the AppleScript Developers Kit.
It's a classic case of bad product positioning.

FaceSpan is a fabulous tool for mocking up user interfaces for "real"
software. I've used it to design several C++ applications, and it's come
through for me as an efficient UI communication tool. Everyone gets the
picture, before you start coding. The AppleScript support is just a means to
this end. FaceSpan apps are of no value as software.

I don't know who got it into their head that everyone who used AppleScript
would need to use FaceSpan, but I'm sorry to say they were wrong. It's just
hurting a great product, because people are missing the point of it. SDU
should take it back, hike the price, and reposition it as the premier UI
design tool. Right now, it's just wasting our time.

--David
___________________________________________
David Jokinen          [e-mail]
Ground Zero Software   Montreal, Quebec, CA
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 01:24:48 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Jokinen <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re(2): OSAX source??

Tangent Alert! Actual uncensored C code below!

Steve Bryan says:
> If the linker complains that "ThePort" is not defined
> then you are probably referencing system globals that
> are not directly available with the libraries that you
> need to use for stand alone code like an OSAX. Innocent
> loking variables like the patterns 'gray' or 'black' are
> compiled as references to offsets from the global
> variable "ThePort" which is only directly accessible
> from an application.

Deirdre says:
> While this is true, you can use GetPort to get the current GrafPort.
> Think C allows you to use the Setup/Restore A4. Though I haven't
> tried it from an osax, it works well enough from an LDEF.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro says:
> Bad, bad. "thePort" is a QuickDraw global, which lives in the A5
> world. Only applications have their own A5 worlds; your osax does
> not. Thus, it cannot access QuickDraw globals in the conventional
> way, using names like "thePort".

Yes, watch out! SetUpA4/RestoreA4 will let you GetPort, but you won't be
getting the "real" thePort. You'll get a bogus copy that's part of your code
resource. Everything compiles just fine, but nothing will work. You'll be
debugging until next Christmas. Here's how I do it:

/* Sorry for C notation. Could someone please translate to Pascal for Steve?
*/

#include <SetUpA4.h>    // warning: generates code

/* Entry point of your code resource */

main() {
        GrafPtr theRealPort;    // treat this as a substitute for thePort

        RememberA0();   // save a pointer to your code resource for SetUpA4()
        SetUpA4();      // prepare access to your globals
        theRealPort = **(GrafPtr **)CurrentA5;  // Get your caller's thePort

        // do your thePort stuff using theRealPort instead

        RestoreA4();    // avoid confusing your caller
}

If anyone is interested, this stuff is pretty well documented in the THINK C
manuals. I have no idea whether this technique will be valid with your
particular Pascal compiler, Steve. Good luck!

--David
___________________________________________
David Jokinen          [e-mail]
Ground Zero Software   Montreal, Quebec, CA
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 01:35:37 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Jokinen <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re(2): Users, Groups, Program Linking

Wayne wrote:
> Quinn the mighty "Eskimo!" has written the users and groups osaxen.
> I'm sure they are probably in the gaea archive but (according to his
> readme) you can also get them at:
>
> ftp://redback.cs.uwa.edu.au/Others/Quinn/

Speaking of which, does anyone know where I can reach Greg T. Quinn? The only
address he ever published was [e-mail], but that's a black hole. I've
been trying for months to send him a check, but where?

--David
___________________________________________
David Jokinen          [e-mail]
Ground Zero Software   Montreal, Quebec, CA
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 22:45:21 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kee Nethery <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Kee's show and tell

>What exactly did you find troublesome about FaceSpan?

Had to create a prefs file to store configuration data into. The ability of
HyperCard to remember stuff is quite nice. I needed to do a bunch of text
processing and I personally found the combination of AppleScript and no
place to store variables just too much. But the real kicker was what seemed
to be some sort of memory leak. It was a long time ago (in finger strokes)
that I attempted to bend FaceSpan to do my bidding. The creation cycle,
seemed slow and the debugging was non-existent.

Other than that, sure seemed like a good idea, but I find HyperCard more
productive for my needs.

Kee Nethery
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 00:58:01 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kyraden <[e-mail]>
Subject:      audio CD and GTQLib

I'm having one inane problem with the GTQLib and writing a script to
control my CD drive.
Here's part of the script:
.....            if button returned of result is "Goto Track..." then
.....       display dialog "Which track number?" default answer "" buttons
{"OK"} default
.....            button "OK"
.....   set theTrack to text returned of result
.....   play audio CD starting with track (theTrack as integer)
                end if

This is the third in a string of if then else statements. All works fine,
unless the number I put into the dialog is 8 or over. I get a "Parameter
error" surrounding the line starting with "play..." Anyone have any ideas?
And yes, I have looked at both the dictionary and the docs, neither of
which say anything about a limit to the number for specifying a track.
TIA,

-J

| Jaeson M. Engle    ||    [e-mail]  |
         www server: http://josaiah.sewanee.edu/          )
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 01:01:39 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kyraden <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: audio CD and GTQLib

Sorry to double post, but I just remembered the other possible problem. One
of the ifs is an eject command and as many of you may know, if you tartup
with a CD in and have filesharing on, you cannot eject the disk. When this
happens, I get a nice error telling me "File busy", which is fine for me,
but it also puts up the "OK" and "Edit" buttons. I will at some point be
giving this little applet away to friends who are not scripters, and do not
have the SE. How can I put an "on error" type of dialog instead of this
built in one?

Again, TIA,
-J

| Jaeson M. Engle    ||    [e-mail]  |
         www server: http://josaiah.sewanee.edu/          )
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 23:47:48 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 16 Nov 1994 to 17 Nov 1994

>Does anyone know of an osax that allows you to do 60 minutes
>of work in 30 minutes?

I've been writing one, but it always seems to be 2 weeks away from working.

Jon
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 23:47:50 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Grr...More Scripting from C issues

Deirdre Saoirse-Savino <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>I have this code fragment (below). I am reading in not a text resource, but a
>glob saved to a text file (no styles, just plain old text). I read it in. It
>compiles fine, but it won't execute. The text it's reading in is further down
>-- and was copied and pasted to said text file from the AppleScript Editor,
>so I know it's right.
>
>I get an error -1753 (ScriptError) when I try OSAExecute. By the way, it's
>launching the app, so I know the first document is indeed document 1.

You need more code, as outlined later, but here's an optimization to the
stuff you posted.

    HLock(scriptText);
    myErr = AECreateDesc('TEXT', *scriptText, GetHandleSize(scriptText),
            &sourceData);
    HUnlock(scriptText);    // Moved here because the text is copied by
                            // AECreateDesc.  This is probably the biggest
                            // problem with the AE manager IMHO.  It always
                            // copies data.

The single most important thing you can do for your own stability is to
implement the OSASendProc.  When you open your component instance you
assign a procedure that gets called instead of AESend when the script is
running.  In it, you call AESend.  You add the AEIdleProc parameter and all
of a sudden you get all the events you were expecting to get during script
execution.  If you implement the OSAActiveProc too, you'll get idle calls
during repeat loops and such.  Necessary stuff to run scripts well.

Lawrence's suggestion was right on though.  -1753 is the "I got an error"
error.  You have to call OSAScriptError repeatedly to get the various parts
of the script's error message.  Generally you get the number and the
message.  You can also get the offending object (if there was one returned)
and the error range (where in the text the error was, for hiliting), as
well as a couple of other less used items.

Your script, while simple, could easily generate errors.  I found that if I
ran it, closed the window, but not the program, and ran it again, it
errored because there was no open window.  I'll bet that's the problem.
Beef up your error handling, because you'll make more errors and you'll
want to know where they are.  ;)

Jon
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Nov 1994 23:51:37 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kee Nethery <[e-mail]>
Subject:      buttons blinking

I took computer programming and slide rules between 5th and 6th grade. We
had a teletype with paper tape going to a mainframe downtown. I could read
the dots on the tape. Rubout was my friend.

Now I occasionally play with single chip micros and I build circuits and
program in assembly (C is for wimps). An blinking lights are about the only
debugging tools available on a small single chip micro.

I like blinking lights, they are my friend. :-)

Kee

_______________________________________________________________
Kagi Shareware, 1442-A Walnut #392, Berkeley, CA 94709-1405 USA
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 19:22:15 +1100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jeremy Peter Howard <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: buyer's remorse
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]> from "Klaus P.
              Fechner" at Nov 17, 94 06:53:17 pm

>
> >I'm assuming, anyway, from my one experiment with it that I _can't_ use
> >the Finder that came with 7.5 with my 7.1 System. It seemed to work at
> >first, but I couldn't move anything to or from the Desktop. Or, was that
> >just because my way of attempting to disable the old Finder without
> >actually throwing it away was to put it on the Desktop? Was that my
> >mistake? Is there any way of using the Scriptable Finder as it came with
> >7.5 with the old System.
>
> Very interesting! Which machine are you using?
>
> I am experiencing the exact same problem, except that I think is is caused
> by the Drag&Drop extension (along with Finder 7.1.4 which I got from my 7.5
> disk at work). I have run a Now StartupManager check on this and much to my
> surprise it pointed out the Drag&Drop extension as the sole culprit. Just
> because I don't completely trust all Now software, I tried it also with
> absolutely no extensions other than D&D, and it still happened: I can't
> drag anything off the desktop or onto a desktop item!
>
> This is on a (don't laugh!) accelerated SE, running 7.1 for lack of an
> upgrade of Connectix' Compact Virtual for 7.5 compatibility.
>
> Anyone have any other ideas?

You need an extension called the 'Dragging Enabler' which is on
ftp.apple.com.


/==============================\
| Jeremy P. Howard              |       "Logic must take care of itself."
| [e-mail]  |        Ludwig Wittgenstein
\==============================/         Tractatus Logico-Philisophicus
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 10:06:14 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Ronald Leenes <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Eudora Announcer script (yet again)

In reply to David Messina's question about our (Roel Vertegaal and mine)
Eudora announcer the following.
The trouble you run into is the fact that Eudora's scripting dictionary has
changed in 2.1 (in comparison to 1.4 (freeware) and 2.0? commercial).
We wrote the script for Eudora 1.4. It won't work with Eudora 2.1 without
changes.
As a matter of fact I've spend some time 'upgrading' the announcer to work
with Eudora 1.5 (should have the same dict as 2.1) on A Pmac 6100 and I
have to admit I can't get it working properly.

If you want to get it running you will indeed have to insert the following:

tell application "Eudora 2.1"
    notify alias "theDisk:theFolder:Eudora Announcer 1.0" when mail arrives
end tell

as mentioned by
David Lewis

In the announcer you will find
on notice (theNewMessages)

that should be changed to:
on notify theEvent theNewMessages

or something. As said before, I can't get it running.




---
Ronald E. Leenes              University of Twente
[e-mail]     Dept. of Public Administration
                              and  Public Policy
Phone:    X-31 53 894231      P.O. Box 217, 7500 AE Enschede
                              the Netherlands
---
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 06:24:41 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Barry Chern <[e-mail]>
Subject:      buyer's remorse
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

Thanks to everyone that mentioned it, but as I should have pointed out
at the beginning of my original post I had already heeded all of the
advice about updating drivers and doing a clean install. I installed 7.5
in a new partition that had never had a system on it in its life.

Yes, I have tried to reinstate about half of my extensions. Maybe there
would be no problems without them. On the other hand, if I went back to my
old system everything would be running fine, I could be doing all those
things I wanted at once and not be spending my time trying to figure out
just what else in the set-up doesn't work any more. Yet I haven't gone
back to the old System yet, for some reason. I must be a victim of peer
pressure. If all the most respectable people on the net think it's more
stable, there must be _something_ to it.
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 07:39:07 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Kevin A. Gemeinhart" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re(3): Users, Groups, Program Linking
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

>Speaking of which, does anyone know where I can reach Greg T. Quinn? The only
>address he ever published was [e-mail], but that's a black hole. I've
>been trying for months to send him a check, but where?

Try this address:

[e-mail]

-Kevin
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 09:26:34 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Deirdre Saoirse-Savino <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Users, Groups, Program Linking

[e-mail] (Kyraden) says:
>>If it were bAsed on the RSA ("MacPGP") encryption scheme, methinks it would
be quite difficult to compile and still be usable. Maybe you could use
MacPGP 2.6ui which is scriptable to encrypt something and then transfer it,
later decoding it, but that seems sort of tedious...<<

Ummm....there's a MacPGP 2.6? Last I heard there was no PGP for the Mac above
2.3. Where do I get same? (Email preferred; AOL's ftp is still in the funky
stage)

_Deirdre
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 09:26:39 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Deirdre Saoirse-Savino <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: OSAX source??

This is a good point. One of the stickiest and most persistent bugs (and one
of the hardest to find/solve) in the last C++ project I worked on was one
class deleting the current grafport that another class was using keeping as a
saved grafport. In any case, before using anything grafport oriented, it's a
good idea to check if there is one and that you have the right one.

_Deirdre

[e-mail] (Mike Alexander) says:
> Yes, but be careful.  Depending on who is calling you, there may not be a
> current GrafPort.  It should be safe enough from an LDEF, but perhaps not
> from an osax if it is called by some background process when the machine is
> in some strange state.  Osax's may be ok, but I've seen examples in other
> code (XTND translators, for example) where they tried to use a non-existant
> current GrafPort and crashed.
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 09:26:45 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Deirdre Saoirse-Savino <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Grr...More Scripting from C issues

Lawrence D'Oliveiro asks:
>>Did you try calling OSAScriptError, to find out what the error was?

Well, I was working on that. This is the second time I've had this gotcha
(but the first time was two years ago, so it took me a while to find what
happened last time) -- I set the SIZE flags, but the compiler re-set them,
clobbering my values. AppleScript also seems to require the
remoteHighLevelEvent flag being set, which I can't remember reading anywhere.
I don't set it as a matter of course.

I also had to change the modeFlags to include the canInteract.

In any case, it does work now. Yay!

_Deirdre
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 10:47:13 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: buyer's remorse
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" at Nov 18, 94 03:58:00 pm

--Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>"Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>>--Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>I'm sure Finder 7.1.3/7.1.4 with System 7.1 will work.
>>
>>    As am I, since this is what I'm running on my 8100.
>
>I doubt it. Power Macs need at least System 7.1.2, and they all come with
>Finder 7.1.4 already.

    True, but I was being a little less specific with the version
numbers than you are. To me, System 7.1 encompases both 7.1.1 and 7.1.2
because the really are the same overall system. I was also running 7.1.3
and the scriptable Finder when my 8100 was still a Q800.

-Hades
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 10:50:54 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: buyer's remorse
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Jeremy Peter Howard" at Nov 18, 94 07:22:15 pm

--Jeremy Peter Howard wrote:
>
>You need an extension called the 'Dragging Enabler' which is on
>ftp.apple.com.

    Yup. And you can find it at this URL:

ftp://ftp.apple.com/dts/mac/sys.soft/extensions/macintosh-drag-and-drop-1-1.hqx

-Hades
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 17:05:07 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Magnus Olofsson <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: buttons blinking

>I took computer programming and slide rules between 5th and 6th grade. We
>had a teletype with paper tape going to a mainframe downtown. I could read
>the dots on the tape. Rubout was my friend.
>
>Now I occasionally play with single chip micros and I build circuits and
>program in assembly (C is for wimps). An blinking lights are about the only
>debugging tools available on a small single chip micro.
>
>I like blinking lights, they are my friend. :-)
>
>Kee
>
>_______________________________________________________________
>Kagi Shareware, 1442-A Walnut #392, Berkeley, CA 94709-1405 USA
>
>

I didn't know that Fred Flintstone was hooked up to Internet.

MON
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 13:01:33 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Bill Hutten <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Listserv scripts on the Mac

>Hello,
>
>Someone recently asked on the info-mac list about being able to provide
>listserv email list management and processing on the Mac.  While I haven't
>seen anything to do this (at least in shareware), it occurred to me that
>with the latest 1.0b8 version of MailShare, a freeware POP email server for
>the mac, that this might be possible through some scripting, so I thought I
>would run this by you and see if anyone has worked on this.


I've done something similar. Basically I have an AppleScript that connects
to MailShare through Eudora. The AppleScript then steps through the
messages in the Eudora inBox, and takes in 'Subcribe" or "unsubcribe"
messages and moves that data into/out of a FileMaker pro database. Then all
the other messages in the Eudora Inbox are sent to each of the users in the
FileMakerPro database.

voila, mailing list on a Mac!  I'd release it but I wrote it under
contract....they may want to release it as shareware.......


- bill


| Bill Hutten - [e-mail]
| 6411 Cloverdale Rd. Halifax, NS Canada B3L 2N6   [phone]
|     "I've been your dog ever since I knowed your name." - Son House
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 08:59:34 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kee Nethery <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: buttons blinking

Aaaarrrgggg :-o  Sorry this was supposed to just go to Jon Pugh. I used one
of his postings to MacScrpt to get his email address. Obviously I replied
to the list rather than to Jon. It was late night. Sorry about that folks.
Kee Nethery
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 09:04:55 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Christian Jacobsen <[e-mail]>
Subject:      HyperCard (was- Kee's show.

                       Subject:                               Time:8:55 AM
  OFFICE MEMO          HyperCard (was: Kee's show...)         Date:11/18/94

Lawrence "Think of it as software plasticine" D'Oliveiro sez:
 > HyperCard doesn't get much respect these days...And it still remains
 > one of the most hackable tools around...Hacking HyperCard is an activity
with a
 > long, well-understood tradition.

I hope Apple realizes that.  I have used HyperCard since it was in Beta
testing, and while I wouldn't want to try and teach someone how to use
HyperCard today, I think there are a whole load of people like me who secretly
_love_ HyperCard.  Recently it seems if you mention that you use HyperCard,
people snicker, and look down their nose at you.

When was the last time you got to feel so comfortable with a piece of
software?  There is not another application on any of my hard disks that I
feel as "at home" with as HyperCard.  The problem is that this "comfortable"
feeling is really hard to quantify.  I just hope Apple takes the effort to
quantify it so that the bean-counters don't get to my beloved HyperCard.

- Christian (stepping off of soapbox) Jacobsen
[e-mail]

** These opinions are MINEMINEMINEMINE!!!  (But I will sell 'em for cheap!) **
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 09:26:47 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jerry Ballard <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: HyperCard (was- Kee's show.

>>I think there are a whole load of people like me who secretly
>>_love_ HyperCard.

I make no secrets about it. If I have anything that needs to be done FAST,
whether it involves MS Mail, text parsing, timers, flat-file DB work... the
list is endless, I immediately turn to HCard.
IMHO, its still THE finest end user development environment ever written.
I still maintain that AppleScript should have been implemented as a language
extension to HCard, with the option to save 'code-only' apps & scripts.

But that water has long since passed under the bridge.
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 09:43:50 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Adams.Richard" <adams#d#[e-mail]>
Subject:      XCMD Shell won't launch

I can't get XCMD Shell v 0.1b3 to launch from AppleScript.  Try as I might, I
just get a timeout error.   I sent an email to the author (Sean Hummel) and
have gotten no reply.  Also tried getting to his www software page, but it
seems to be gone or protected.

Anyone had any luck getting this to work?

Richard Adams
MDAW ISSA
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 12:46:11 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Duffield <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: HyperCard (was- Kee's show.
In-Reply-To:  Jerry Ballard <[e-mail]> "Re: HyperCard (was- Kee's
              show." (Nov 18,  9:26am)

On Nov 18,  9:26am, Jerry Ballard wrote:
> Subject: Re: HyperCard (was- Kee's show.
> >>I think there are a whole load of people like me who secretly
> >>_love_ HyperCard.
>
> I make no secrets about it. If I have anything that needs to be done FAST,
> whether it involves MS Mail, text parsing, timers, flat-file DB work... the
> list is endless, I immediately turn to HCard.
> IMHO, its still THE finest end user development environment ever written.
> I still maintain that AppleScript should have been implemented as a language
> extension to HCard, with the option to save 'code-only' apps & scripts.
>
> But that water has long since passed under the bridge.
>-- End of excerpt from Jerry Ballard

I once developed a HyperCard stack to manage users on a UNIX system.  The
stack generated a csh script that all I had to do was move the UNIX box
and execute as root.  The hardcore UNIX types here gave me a hard time, it took
me a fraction of the time to generate a set of accounts that it took them.

Today, if I still used the application, I would probably write an applescript
to generate the csh script, have it FTPed to the UNIX system, and issue an
rexec to execute it from afar.  I wouldn't even have to interactively log into
the box.  I bet Sun Microsystems would _love_ to hear that I was managing
their workstations with HyperCard.

(I had to make this story relevent to AppleScript somehow)

Mark

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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 Sr. Systems Specialist              |
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=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 13:01:27 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kiran Wagle <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: more Eudora

On 11/17/94, Dan Hinckley opined:

> body selected . Anyone tell me whether/how AS can be used to move the
> insertion point to the top or bottom of the quoted msg body? I haven't

I don't think it can be done yet.  I do not know if it's being worked on,
tho I suspect it is.  Eudora doesn't support the Object Model yet, so you
can't use the usual methods of moving insertion points around in windows.

A workaround is to copy the body of the message and use a text editor with
robust AE support to edit it, then copy it back.

> 2) Anyone suggest how to test if a mailbox is 'open'? 'Open' doesn't appear
> to be a property of a mailbox. FileBusy doesn't seem to help either...

As far as I know there's no way to do this.  (I discussed it with the
author of MailConverter; we never did come up with a good workaround in
2.x.)  I don't expect it'll be supported anytime soon, either.  I hope that
Steve will support a command to make a new mail message from a text file
(MailConverter and NewsWatcher both want to be able to do this) or (my
preference) from a collection of "headers" and a "body," both of which
could presumably be files.

Telling Eudora to make a message from parts makes sense, trying to figure
out if it's using a file so you can mess with it yourself doesn't.  (I DO
wish Eudora would flag the mailboxes busy so they couldn't be modified
while it was running.

I have no clue what Steve's working on right now.  Last thing to come down
the pipe was some support for PGP (a HI nightmare if ever there was one)
and some pretty cool changes to the Ph support.  But better scripting
support is definitely on the list.

~ Kiran <[e-mail]>

--
1628 5th St NW Washington DC 20001 [phone]/3157 <[e-mail]>
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 13:01:51 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kiran Wagle <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: buyer's remorse

On 11/17/94, Kyraden opined:

> say you were getting stack crawls for apps that weren't running...? Now
> that is odd... How did you decide it was RD's fault?

Because I'd installed the patch that puts an indicator in the corner of the
screen when RD is working, and it would blink furiously and grind away at
the drive for about 30 seconds before dropping into MacsBug.  Whatever was
going on seemed to have *something* to do with RD, and particularly with
disk storage.

When I added another 4M of real RAM the problems went from hourly or so to
very rare, and when I added the 040 VM update they seem to have
disappeared.

I like RD, I just wish I had the option to turn the disk storage off.

~ Kiran

--
1628 5th St NW Washington DC 20001 [phone]/3157 <[e-mail]>
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 13:11:46 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jim Melton <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Eudora Announcer script (yet again)

>In reply to David Messina's question about our (Roel Vertegaal and mine)
>Eudora announcer the following.

<stuff deleted>

>As a matter of fact I've spend some time 'upgrading' the announcer to work
>with Eudora 1.5 (should have the same dict as 2.1) on A Pmac 6100 and I
>have to admit I can't get it working properly.

<more stuff deleted>

>or something. As said before, I can't get it running.


OK, folks, here is a question from an AppleScript (very)newbie:  Now that I
have Eudora 2.1 trying to "notify" an applet that doesn't work... how do I
make the thing _stop_ trying!?

When I drop Eudora Announcer 1.0 onto Eudora Notify Controller, it first
asks me if I want to turn notification "On" or "Off".  If I select "On", it
then proceeds to tell me that "Notification already appears to be on".  If
I select "Off", it then tells me that "Notification already appears to be
off".  What gives?

Also, where does Eudora keep track of this kind of AppleScript related
stuff?  I tried trashing Eudora and the Eudora Settings file.  No luck.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Jim
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 11:00:51 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Eudora Announcer script (yet again)

>>In reply to David Messina's question about our (Roel Vertegaal and mine)
>>Eudora announcer the following.
>
><stuff deleted>
>
>>As a matter of fact I've spend some time 'upgrading' the announcer to work
>>with Eudora 1.5 (should have the same dict as 2.1) on A Pmac 6100 and I
>>have to admit I can't get it working properly.
>
><more stuff deleted>
>
>>or something. As said before, I can't get it running.
>
>
>OK, folks, here is a question from an AppleScript (very)newbie:  Now that I
>have Eudora 2.1 trying to "notify" an applet that doesn't work... how do I
>make the thing _stop_ trying!?

Execute this from the script editor:

tell application "Eudora 2.1"
    stop notifying alias "theDisk:theFolder:Eudora Announcer" when mail arrives
end tell

As with starting, you only have to do it once.

>Also, where does Eudora keep track of this kind of AppleScript related
>stuff?  I tried trashing Eudora and the Eudora Settings file.  No luck.
>
It's in the Eudora Settings file. There's an 'eNot' resource whose name is
a concatenation of the creator of the application it's to notify and the
event (in your case 'wArv' for mail arrives.

        David

David Lewis     Seagate Technology      [phone]  [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 13:06:51 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Greg Hiner <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: more Eudora

>As far as I know there's no way to do this.  (I discussed it with the
>author of MailConverter; we never did come up with a good workaround in
>2.x.)  I don't expect it'll be supported anytime soon, either.  I hope that
>Steve will support a command to make a new mail message from a text file
>(MailConverter and NewsWatcher both want to be able to do this) or (my
>preference) from a collection of "headers" and a "body," both of which
>could presumably be files.
>
>Telling Eudora to make a message from parts makes sense, trying to figure
>out if it's using a file so you can mess with it yourself doesn't.  (I DO
>wish Eudora would flag the mailboxes busy so they couldn't be modified
>while it was running.
>


Couldn't you use Atul Butte's TCP/IP osax to send messages directly? It
appears from his example that this should be possible to create messages
from parts and use smtp to send the message along.

Also Mailshare is supposed to be fully scriptable someday and as it handles
smtp itself it would also be a logical app to handle mailing duties.

Greg
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 13:42:50 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Ken Fox <[e-mail]>
Subject:      MacHTTP and encoded data

Hi,
I'm using MacHTTP and am getting arguments from
a form using POST.  The data is encoded upon
return.  I pass the data directly into either
AppleScript or HyperCard.  Problem is that I
need the text data unencoded and don't really
want to write a function to do that myself if
an alternative exists.
Is there any easy way to get the data to the
target application without the encoding.

Ken

________________________________________________________________________
Kenneth J. Fox         |     E-mail:  [e-mail] (pref)
Allen-Bradley Company  |      Phone:  [phone] (V) 414-382-2742 (F)
Rockwell Automation    |      Pager:  414-256-9702
Milwaukee, WI          |
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 13:46:13 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Ken Fox <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scripting MS Mail

>I need to control MS Mail via AppleScript.
>
>Can anyone give any suggestions on how to do this?
>
As far as I know, there is only one API into MS Mail.
That is a HyperCard XFCN.  You can, and I have, blended
HyperCard since it is scriptable with AppleScripts to
have HyperTalk get the mail from MS Mail and then either
process it within HyperCard or pass it to some AppleScript
application.

Good luck,
Ken


________________________________________________________________________
Kenneth J. Fox         |     E-mail:  [e-mail] (pref)
Allen-Bradley Company  |      Phone:  [phone] (V) 414-382-2742 (F)
Rockwell Automation    |      Pager:  414-256-9702
Milwaukee, WI          |
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 12:44:44 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FMP AE open with password

>I finaly got it, mayby it an FAQ but here it is anyway
>
>Thit is the way to open a file from Userland Frontier with a password included
>
>on open_pw (obj , password)
>        return (appleEvent (FileMaker.id, 'aevt', 'odoc', '----', obj,
>'pPAS',password))}

The above is correct (and is included the open () verb in the newer "glue"
for FileMaker which is on CompuServe (if it is not on gaea it will be,
probably early next week).  The new glue requires Frontier 3.0.

You will have much better success if you have FileMaker the frontmost
application before doing any open (whether or not a password is needed).
FileMaker might have to complain about a bad password, or ask for one, and
doesn't do well when Frontier sends it an open event while it (FileMaker)
is in the background.
  --John

--John W. Baxter    Port Ludlow, WA USA   [e-mail]
  UserLand Software support
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 12:44:49 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Maybe Applescript Yes

>I continued to fiddle with this script, trying another mail server that is
>also a novell server, and finally got an error message that made more
>sense. It says:
>
>Error: Can't get <<class lhst>> of {class:stream status, bytes waiting:0,
>connection status:connected, local host:"138.86.11.60",local
>port:1569,remote host:"138.86.1.10",remote port:25}. -1728
>
>First off, -1728 is not a Mac error according to easy errors 1.1. Next,
>those parameters are the very params in the dictionary of the TCP/IP OSAX
>under class:stream status. I was getting more excited by the minute (this
>is my first real functional project in scripting).

If Easy Errors doesn't include -1728, that means Easy Errors is
(considerably) out of date.  -1728 is errAENoSuchObject, described in
Inside Mac: IAC as

"A run-time resolution error, for example: object specifier record asked
for the third element, but there are only two."

>
>So I'm left with this question. What is the <<class lhst>>? To what does
>that refer?

Impossible to say what it refers to, without knowledge of the application.
What it is is easy, but not interesting:  it's an AE record keyword
('lhst').  And there's nothing in a currently available dictionary which
describes it, so it is shown in the generic form.  But it looks like it
should be the "local host" item ['lhst' is a rational choice for that
keyword], so it's not clear why it's unknown when the error is reported.

>Any thoughts are appreciated.
Unfortunately, on this one I can only offer thoughts, not an answer.

--John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 12:45:00 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Character mappings used here?

>> It doesn't compile because you haven't use the chevron characers.
>> To create the chevron characters =3DAB=3DBB, use option-\ and shift-optio=
n-\.
>
>What message decoding option will allow me to see the special characters us=
ed
>by some members of this list? I'm running the Mail*Link PT/INET PowerTalk
>gateway with the default body text translation, namely: RFC 822->987 USA.

There is some command you send to the listserv at Dartmouth which tells it
to include the header in your message, when it sends it out, which alerts
mailers to expect the quoted-printable encoding stuff.  Unfortunately, I
forget *what* command.  Last I knew, that still left digest readers with
the encoded characters, which is why I still include a glossary (when I
remember).  As in
   =ABclass foo =BB

   --John (=AB is left chevron, =BB is right chevron)

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 12:45:04 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: audio CD and GTQLib

>Sorry to double post, but I just remembered the other possible problem. One
>of the ifs is an eject command and as many of you may know, if you tartup
>with a CD in and have filesharing on, you cannot eject the disk. When this
>happens, I get a nice error telling me "File busy", which is fine for me,
>but it also puts up the "OK" and "Edit" buttons. I will at some point be
>giving this little applet away to friends who are not scripters, and do not
>have the SE. How can I put an "on error" type of dialog instead of this
>built in one?

try
   --some stuff which might fail
on error
   --do something about the failure
end try   (just to confuse matters, that can also be end error!)

There are several parameters you can tack onto the on error line:  you can
get the error number, error text if the app provided some, the object
involved with the error (if provided by the app), and the results of the
event up to the error (if provided by the app).  The partial results are
nice if you pass in a list, and there is a problem with the 10th item in
the list.  You can also see what was asked for in a failed coercion attempt
(if the app provides it).


on error errorText number errorCode from offendingObject partial result
resultSoFar to expectedType

Your error handling can fix things up, post a more suitable message, do
something else entirely (like adding an error report to a log), trigger a
different error (using the error command), or .... .  It can also be left
out, in which case the error is silently ignored.

See the AppleScript Language Guide.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 12:45:09 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 16 Nov 1994 to 17 Nov 1994

>>Does anyone know of an osax that allows you to do 60 minutes
>>of work in 30 minutes?
>
>I've been writing one, but it always seems to be 2 weeks away from working.

When I arrived at the US Army Electronic Proving Ground, Fort Huachuca
(AZ), there was a major item due in for testing in about 6 months.  The
group (not mine) responsible for the testing was busily planning for the
test.

21 months later, when I emerged from the Army (still at Ft Huachuca), that
test item was due in for testing in 6 months.  And the responsible group
was busily planning for the test.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 17:05:13 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dennis Whiteman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: HyperCard (was- Kee's show.

I'm also a HyperCard fan, but it runs so slow on my PowerMac that I've
transferred most of the stuff I used to use HyperCard for to Filemaker.
Filemaker's slow too, but it's not painfully slow.

Dennis L. Whiteman
THE ULTIMATE FREELANCER
[e-mail]

 ------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, Fri, Nov 18, 1994 ------

Recently it seems if you mention that you use HyperCard,
people snicker, and look down their nose at you.
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 19:16:39 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Messina <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Character mappings used here?

The possible commands one can send to the listserv regarding headers:

SET          FULLhdr or FULLBsmtp              -> "Full" mail headers
             IETFhdr                           -> Internet-style headers
             SHORThdr or SHORTBsmtp            -> Short (default) headers
             DUALhdr                           -> Dual headers, useful with PC
                                                  or Mac mail programs

For a complete list of options you can set for this and other lists, send
the message: INFO REFCARD




>>> It doesn't compile because you haven't use the chevron characers.
>>> To create the chevron characters =3DAB=3DBB, use option-\ and shift-optio=
>n-\.
>>
>>What message decoding option will allow me to see the special characters us=
>ed
>>by some members of this list? I'm running the Mail*Link PT/INET PowerTalk
>>gateway with the default body text translation, namely: RFC 822->987 USA.
>
>There is some command you send to the listserv at Dartmouth which tells it
>to include the header in your message, when it sends it out, which alerts
>mailers to expect the quoted-printable encoding stuff.  Unfortunately, I
>forget *what* command.  Last I knew, that still left digest readers with
>the encoded characters, which is why I still include a glossary (when I
>remember).  As in
>   =ABclass foo =BB
>
>   --John (=AB is left chevron, =BB is right chevron)

--

David Messina
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 17:19:44 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Greg Francis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Script launching on application quitting?

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Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Disposition: Inline

I heard there was an extension or something that would automatically launch a
script whenever an application was quit. Does anyone know what this is and
where I can get it?

Thanks,

Greg

--part_AAF292B0000A98EB00000006
Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Disposition: Inline

__________________________________________________________________________
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Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 22:34:53 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Clinton MacDonald <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: buyer's remorse

Barry and MacScripters:

   On Thu, 17 Nov 1994 Barry Chern <[e-mail]> said:
>Now that I've been struggling to live with 7.5 for awhile, I feel I made a
>bad decision. If I'd bought the Finder thingee, I would have gotten some
>...
>anyway, but the Scriptable Finder is the main thing keeping me with 7.5 at
>the moment, aside from the pretty little desktop pattern I doodled out

Without a doubt, the Scriptable Finder is worth the price of System 7.5!
However, a bunch of people (me included) got burned early on, since the
regular installation of System 7.5 is probably *not* the way to go. Instead
you want to do a "clean install."

   Here's my story: I first installed 7.5 about a month-and-a-half ago (the
regular install). I had all sorts of problems with menus, the desktop,
Finder freezes, and so on. I tried to "7.1-ify" it, as you describe, and
that didn't work, either.

   Soon thereafter, I had the misfortune (sigh) to have a hard drive crash
(NOT related to System 7.5 -- by the way, NEVER kick your hard drive at any
time, especially at startup!) The drive was a new one from APS, and they
cheerfully honored the warranty. Since reinstalling 7.5 on this newly
formatted disk, I have never looked back. If you need instructions for a
"clean install," feel free to e-mail me.

   Remember, you can fully "back-customize" 7.5 to the point it largely
resembles 7.1 (use discretion). In fact the only visible difference on my
own PowerBook is the little question mark in the menu bar where the balloon
used to be.

   Keep up the good work,
   Clint (who, once he went Mac, never looked back)


   Dr. Clinton C. MacDonald        | [e-mail]
   Howard Hughes Medical Institute | [e-mail]
   Department of Molecular Biology | 609/258-5993
   Princeton, NJ 08544-1014        | 609/258-1704 (FAX)
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Date:         Sat, 19 Nov 1994 00:00:32 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Barry Chern <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: buyer's remorse
In-Reply-To:  <v01510200aaf318dfb81f@[128.112.65.217]>

On Fri, 18 Nov 1994, Clinton MacDonald wrote:

> Barry and MacScripters:
>
...>
> Without a doubt, the Scriptable Finder is worth the price of System 7.5!
> However, a bunch of people (me included) got burned early on, since the
> regular installation of System 7.5 is probably *not* the way to go. Instead
> you want to do a "clean install."
>

I did that in the first place.

>    Here's my story: I first installed 7.5 about a month-and-a-half ago (the
> regular install). I had all sorts of problems with menus, the desktop,
> Finder freezes, and so on. I tried to "7.1-ify" it, as you describe, and
> that didn't work, either.

No, I tried to "scriptable-finder-ify" 7.1
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Date:         Fri, 18 Nov 1994 23:05:24 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kyraden <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: buyer's remorse

>   Remember, you can fully "back-customize" 7.5 to the point it largely
>resembles 7.1 (use discretion). In fact the only visible difference on my
>own PowerBook is the little question mark in the menu bar where the balloon
>used to be.
>


I just have one question here:
What is the point of getting 7,5 if you "back cuistomize" it to resemble 7.1??

| Jaeson M. Engle    ||    [e-mail]  |
         www server: http://josaiah.sewanee.edu/          )
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Date:         Sat, 19 Nov 1994 01:15:41 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Barry Chern <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Buyer's Remorse
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote, back when I meant to reply originally:

>>What exactly happened when you tried moving stuff to/from the desktop?

As best as I can remember, the icon just snapped right back to where it
started. I didn't notice this happening with dragging between other
folders. But, I didn't mess with it for long.

So, do we have any concensus yet on whether there is enough difference
between Finder 7.1.3 and 7.1.4 to make it not work? (I'm not sure I want
to be the one to experiment again, after getting that one alarming
message. Did anyone see any merit in those prophesies of doom?)

B.
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Date:         Sat, 19 Nov 1994 17:31:47 +0900
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Seiji Hayashi <[e-mail]>
Subject:      [Q}Applescript FAQs

Hello netters,
        I am a beginner with respect to Applescript and AppleEvent, so I am
seeking for Applescript (AppleEvent) FAQs or related useful documents on
aFTP, Gopher, WWW, and WAIS. I would appreciate if anyone let me know URLs
for them.

Thanks in advance.

--------------------------------------------
Seiji Hayashi ([e-mail])
Department of Earth and Planetary Sciences
School of Science,Nagoya University
Furo-cho  Chikusa-ku
Nagoya 464-01 Japan
--------------------------------------------
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Date:         Sat, 19 Nov 1994 01:42:05 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Matthew Frederick <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: BeyondMenus XTension

>> >  download Acrobyte's new BeyondMenus XTension - among

>        Does anyone know where this Xtension is available over FTP?

It's available at info-mac.

Matthew

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it --
 even if I have said it -- unless it agrees with your own reason
 and your common sense.                             --The Buddha
Matthew Frederick, Phoenix, Arizona, USA  ([e-mail])
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Date:         Sat, 19 Nov 1994 11:39:28 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Tilmann Robbe <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FMP AE open with password

>I finaly got it, mayby it an FAQ but here it is anyway
>
>Thit is the way to open a file from Userland Frontier with a password
included
>
>on open_pw (obj , password)
>        return (appleEvent (FileMaker.id, 'aevt', 'odoc', '----', obj,
>'pPAS',password))}

Can I do the same or something similar with AppleScript, or does it only
work with Frontier?

Tilmann

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Date:         Sat, 19 Nov 1994 08:31:59 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Gateway <sage![e-mail]>
Organization: Sage Design
Subject:      NDN: Script launching on application quitting?

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=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 19 Nov 1994 13:00:54 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dan Hinckley <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 16 Nov 1994 to 17 Nov 1994

>>>Does anyone know of an osax that allows you to do 60 minutes
>>>of work in 30 minutes?
>>
>>I've been writing one, but it always seems to be 2 weeks away from working.
>
>When I arrived at the US Army Electronic Proving Ground, Fort Huachuca
>(AZ), there was a major item due in for testing in about 6 months.  The
>group (not mine) responsible for the testing was busily planning for the
>test.
>
>21 months later, when I emerged from the Army (still at Ft Huachuca), that
>test item was due in for testing in 6 months.  And the responsible group
>was busily planning for the test.
>
>   --John

So that osax is still 6 months away from being de-classified, right?
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 19 Nov 1994 07:16:45 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Chuck Shotton <[e-mail]>
Subject:      MacHTTP and encoded data

>I'm using MacHTTP and am getting arguments from
>a form using POST.  The data is encoded upon
>return.  I pass the data directly into either
>AppleScript or HyperCard.  Problem is that I
>need the text data unencoded and don't really
>want to write a function to do that myself if
>an alternative exists.
>Is there any easy way to get the data to the
>target application without the encoding.

There are several OSAX functions available for encoding and decoding URLs,
as well as taking apart form arguments. As usual, check the MacHTTP Home
page. These OSAXen are on the Tools page off the main menu.

http://www.uth.tmc.edu/mac_info/machttp_info.html

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Chuck Shotton
[e-mail]                           "I am NOT here."
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Date:         Sat, 19 Nov 1994 17:33:45 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         WalrathW <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Script launching on application quitting?

> I heard there was an extension or something that would automatically launch
a
> script whenever an application was quit. Does anyone know what this is and
> where I can get it?

This probably isn't what you want, but you could just write a stay-open
script application to do this and leave it running all the time. Have the
script get a list of processes every X seconds and when it finds an
application that it is supposed to watch, set a flag that the app is running.
When the app quits, take whatever actions you want and clear the flag. You
could keep a list of lists, where each of the inner lists had three items:
the name of the app to watch for, the action to be executed when the app
quits (could even be a script object), and then your flag. Each time through
your on idle handler, scan through the list.

-wayne
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 19 Nov 1994 12:17:18 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "a.h.s. boy" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Script launching on application quitting?

At 11:33 AM 19.11.94, WalrathW wrote:
>> I heard there was an extension or something that would automatically launch
>a
>> script whenever an application was quit. Does anyone know what this is and
>> where I can get it?
>

You might be looking for ScriptSynch. From the Read Me file:

"In scripter lingo, ScriptSynch is a system extension that can provide
functionality resembling "attachability" to your applications. To mortals,
this means ScriptSynch can automatically launch applications, open files,
or run scripts when specific applications launch or quit. This is useful
for running a "startup script" whenever an application loads, attaching one
application to another so they launch and quit at the same time (Eudora and
Nuntius, for example), or tracking application usage through scripting. A
little contrary to its name, ScriptSynch works fine without AppleScript,
although it works best in conjunction with it."

Should be available on Gaea...

spud.


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=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 19 Nov 1994 10:57:34 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: HyperCard

Christian Jacobsen <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Lawrence "Think of it as software plasticine" D'Oliveiro sez:
> > HyperCard doesn't get much respect these days...And it still remains
> > one of the most hackable tools around...Hacking HyperCard is an activity
> > with a long, well-understood tradition.
>
>I hope Apple realizes that.  I have used HyperCard since it was in Beta
>testing, and while I wouldn't want to try and teach someone how to use
>HyperCard today, I think there are a whole load of people like me who secretly
>_love_ HyperCard.  Recently it seems if you mention that you use HyperCard,
>people snicker, and look down their nose at you.

Hypercard is THE best selling piece of software Apple produces.  It gets no
respect and precious little support outside of the Hypercard team, which
isn't large.  However, the rumor mill says that a native version is in the
works, so there's hope for the future.  I can't wait.  I use Hypercard all
the time.  It's the place where I keep and access all my data.  You know,
the reason you have a computer?  In addition, it is the place to write
those annoying little things that don't need a complicated UI, but where
you want the answer right now.

I did a rot13, a phone number namer (all the letters a phone number
spells), the amount of vacation time I have accumulated, the amount of time
until my next vacation, the age of everyone I care about (13 days until
Jordan's 2nd birthday, then the fun begins ;) and lots more.  Versatility
is the key.

Jerry Ballard <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I still maintain that AppleScript should have been implemented as a language
>extension to HCard, with the option to save 'code-only' apps & scripts.

It comes darn close, and can actually be done with an osax from Jon's Commands.

One of Hypercard's biggest problems regarding AppleScript is the 30K limit
on AS object code.  Since it stores the compiled code in the script area,
it inherits this size limitation.  In addition, it doesn't support saving
run-only code.

The "run script resource" command in Jon's Commands allows you to save your
AppleScripts as resources in your stack.  They are then freed from the
limitations that the stack format imposes on Hypercard.  You can store them
run-only and any size.

All you have to do is write your code in your favorite script editor.  Save
it however you like.  Open the resulting script file with ResEdit (or
whatever).  Copy the 'scpt' resource into your stack.  Add a name and/or
change the number.  Put a "run script resource" command in your
stack/card/field/button script and away you go.

Jon
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 19 Nov 1994 11:07:14 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Allan R. Crump Jr" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      OSAX Source

Per my original message that started this whole mess:

If my problem with THEPORT not being defined is due to not saving/setting
the A4 area, why isn't this mentioned in the FLASH osax sample (which I
patterned my pascal version on) in Apple's 'Scripting Additions Guide'?

Additionally, I have taken other 'c' osaxen source, reworked some of the
code so they were pascal and in every other case I get a THEPORT not
defined error.

I guess no one works in pascal anymore.
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 19 Nov 1994 11:53:23 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Wickens <[e-mail]>
Organization: EveryWare Development Corp.
Subject:      AppleScript Speed

Are there any general guidelines for improving AppleScript performance?

I have written an application with FaceSpan and while some operations are
admirably fast, others are painfully slow. I plan to do an analyis of this
myself, of course, but before I do, are there any general things I should know?

I also recently wrote a droplet application and was very unimpressed that it
took over 10 seconds to get to the open handler from the time something was
dragged to it, and a similar amount of time from my last line of code and
quitting to the Finder. By experimenting, I discovered that saving the app as
Run-Only cut these times quite a bit. This is the kind of tip I'm looking for
(though the droplet is still slower than I think it should be).

On another performance issue, is there anything that can be done about the
outrageous amount of time taken to parse/format/compile a script? I find myself
delaying saves because of this. Do I just have to live with it (or get a PPC)?

I tried the FAQ but couldn't find anything. Any ideas or pointers to books/FAQs
will be appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark
<[e-mail]>
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 19 Nov 1994 13:36:13 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Brian Hall <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Kee's show and tell & FaceSpan

>FaceSpan is a fabulous tool for mocking up user interfaces for "real"
>software. I've used it to design several C++ applications, and it's come
>through for me as an efficient UI communication tool. Everyone gets the
>picture, before you start coding. The AppleScript support is just a means to
>this end. FaceSpan apps are of no value as software.
>
>I don't know who got it into their head that everyone who used AppleScript
>would need to use FaceSpan, but I'm sorry to say they were wrong. It's just
>hurting a great product, because people are missing the point of it. SDU
>should take it back, hike the price, and reposition it as the premier UI
>design tool. Right now, it's just wasting our time.

I disagree entirely.  I think the only problem was 1.0 being shipped with
the memry leak bug, but the concept of including FaceSpan is excellent.

Sure, folks that read this digest don't mind trips to Script Editor to
tweak a script, but what about everyone else?  With FaceSpan I can provide
*very* useful utilities that previously would have required C++ code in
literally *hours*.

We've taken our Eudora e-mail forwarding script - where every parameter
such as what fields t include, who to frward to, etc, is a property - and
made it useful for non-gearheads by putting a FaceSpan UI on top off it.

FaceSpan is the first rapid-development environment I have used that I
would actually use commercially.

__________________________________________________________________________
Mark/Space Softworks                                    voice 408-293-7299
111 West Saint John, 2nd Floor                            fax [phone]
San Jose, CA 95113                                        bbs 408-293-7290

Macintosh connectivity software:               Internet: [e-mail]
Communicate, CTB Tools, PageNOW!                 AppleLink, AOL: MARKSPACE
                  Goodies at ftp.netcom.com in pub/mspace
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Date:         Sat, 19 Nov 1994 13:36:16 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Brian Hall <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Kee's show and tell

>>What exactly did you find troublesome about FaceSpan?
>
>Had to create a prefs file to store configuration data into. The ability of
>HyperCard to remember stuff is quite nice. I needed to do a bunch of text
>processing and I personally found the combination of AppleScript and no
>place to store variables just too much. But the real kicker was what seemed
>to be some sort of memory leak. It was a long time ago (in finger strokes)
>that I attempted to bend FaceSpan to do my bidding. The creation cycle,
>seemed slow and the debugging was non-existent.

You don't have to have a prefs file, you can use properties.

As to the leak, get version 1.0.1.

__________________________________________________________________________
Mark/Space Softworks                                    voice 408-293-7299
111 West Saint John, 2nd Floor                            fax [phone]
San Jose, CA 95113                                        bbs 408-293-7290

Macintosh connectivity software:               Internet: [e-mail]
Communicate, CTB Tools, PageNOW!                 AppleLink, AOL: MARKSPACE
                  Goodies at ftp.netcom.com in pub/mspace
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 19 Nov 1994 17:28:22 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Matthew Frederick <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: [Q}Applescript FAQs

>Hello netters,
>        I am a beginner with respect to Applescript and AppleEvent, so I am
>seeking for Applescript (AppleEvent) FAQs or related useful documents on
>aFTP, Gopher, WWW, and WAIS. I would appreciate if anyone let me know URLs
>for them.

In case you haven't already received a thousand responses, you can get all
of that stuff via FTP at:

        gaea.kgs.ukans.edu:applescript/

Good Luck!

Matthew

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it --
 even if I have said it -- unless it agrees with your own reason
 and your common sense.                             --The Buddha
Matthew Frederick, Phoenix, Arizona, USA  ([e-mail])
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 19 Nov 1994 17:33:20 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Matthew Frederick <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Kee's show and tell

>>>What exactly did you find troublesome about FaceSpan?
>>
>>place to store variables just too much. But the real kicker was what seemed
>>to be some sort of memory leak. It was a long time ago (in finger strokes)
>
>As to the leak, get version 1.0.1.

How do I get that? I've had version 1.0 for ages, but haven't heard hide
nor hair or a 1.0.1...

Matthew

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it --
 even if I have said it -- unless it agrees with your own reason
 and your common sense.                             --The Buddha
Matthew Frederick, Phoenix, Arizona, USA  ([e-mail])
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 19 Nov 1994 21:48:01 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Ralph Risch <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Dynamic Terminologies

Jon Pugh <[e-mail]> writes:

>>Also, as we were discussing a few days ago, Quark is the only app I know
which supports dynamic terminologies, but I have yet to see an extension
which has a dictionary.<<

Howdy, John -

   There are several XTensions that I know of which have dictionaries; Em
Software's XData, alap's Script Glue XT, some of the Scitex XTensions,
and our own BeyondMeasure XTension. I'm sure that there are others,
especially considering the fact that I've probably only come into contact
with 1% of the available XTensions on the market.

   I agree that the behavior is annoying, though; I think that Apple
should coopt another one of the bits in the 'scsz' resource, which
would indicate that the terminologies be loaded in a fashion similar
to that used by code fragments, wherein the application can specify
which folders to search by means of alias resources.

Dave Shaver
Acrobyte R&D
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 19 Nov 1994 21:49:38 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Buyer's Remorse

>Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote, back when I meant to reply originally:
>
>>>What exactly happened when you tried moving stuff to/from the desktop?
>
>As best as I can remember, the icon just snapped right back to where it
>started. I didn't notice this happening with dragging between other
>folders. But, I didn't mess with it for long.
>
>So, do we have any concensus yet on whether there is enough difference
>between Finder 7.1.3 and 7.1.4 to make it not work? (I'm not sure I want
>to be the one to experiment again, after getting that one alarming
>message. Did anyone see any merit in those prophesies of doom?)

The difference between Finder 7.1.3 and 7.1.4 is minute, and not
significant to drag and drop.  Under System versions prior to 7.5, either
of those Finder's requires an extension called "Dragging Enabler" to fix up
the Finder dragging you're having trouble with (the fix is included in
System 7.5).

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 19 Nov 1994 21:49:48 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FMP AE open with password

>>I finaly got it, mayby it an FAQ but here it is anyway
>>
>>Thit is the way to open a file from Userland Frontier with a password
>included
>>
>>on open_pw (obj , password)
>>        return (appleEvent (FileMaker.id, 'aevt', 'odoc', '----', obj,
>>'pPAS',password))}
>
>Can I do the same or something similar with AppleScript, or does it only
>work with Frontier?

Here's the Dictionary for the open event, as found in FileMaker 2.1v3.  I
think that if you go not very far back in FileMaker versions, you won't
find the password parameter.

Open: Open an object
    Open  reference  -- The object to open
        [with password  string]  -- The password to use


[It's desirable to bring FileMaker to the front before doing this from
AppleScript, too, although not *quite* so critical as with Frontier.]

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 20 Nov 1994 10:16:01 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Clinton MacDonald <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: CLEAN INSTALL

>> If you need instructions for a "clean install," feel free to e-mail me.
>
>I'm game...

Here goes...

   [] Back up your hard drive
   [] Back it up again (just to be sure :-)
   [] Run the Apple Disk First Aid (this is actually
      important -- System 7.5 is incompatable with
      certain older versions of some disk drivers)

The "barren ground approach":

   [] Now that you have two backups, reformat your harddrive
      with the newest driver, either from Apple or your
      third-party drive vendor (I have a new APS drive)
   [] Install on the clean drive
   [] Restore your backup

The traditional approach:

   [] Open System Folder
   [] Drag the files System and Finder to the trash
   [] Rename your System Folder to something like
      "Old Sys-stuff" (you'll need it to recover your
      old Preferences, etc.)
   [] Restart from your Install Disk 1
   [] Install as instructed
   [] Restart twice (for some reason, System 7.5 makes
      the Desktop rebuild twice)
   [] Get back to work

The Easter egg approach:

   [] Apparently, the 7.5 installer has a "clean install"
      option (finally!) I haven't used this, but the option
      is something like Command-Option-K

   Qapla',
   Clint


   Dr. Clinton C. MacDonald        | [e-mail]
   Howard Hughes Medical Institute | [e-mail]
   Department of Molecular Biology | 609/258-5993
   Princeton, NJ 08544-1014        | 609/258-1704 (FAX)
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Date:         Mon, 21 Nov 1994 09:35:00 +1300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: OSAX source??

David Jokinen <[e-mail]> writes:

>Yes, watch out! SetUpA4/RestoreA4 will let you GetPort, but you won't be
>getting the "real" thePort.

The QuickDraw globals are accessed via A5, not A4. Thus, whether you use
SetUpA4/RestoreA4 or not has nothing to do with whether you can access
QuickDraw globals or not.

>        theRealPort = **(GrafPtr **)CurrentA5;  // Get your caller's thePort

This is all GetPort does anyway.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Computer Services Dept                     fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
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Date:         Mon, 21 Nov 1994 09:38:00 +1300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: buyer's remorse

"Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]> writes:

>--Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>"Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]> writes:
>>
>>>--Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I'm sure Finder 7.1.3/7.1.4 with System 7.1 will work.
>>>
>>>    As am I, since this is what I'm running on my 8100.
>>
>>I doubt it. Power Macs need at least System 7.1.2, and they all come with
>>Finder 7.1.4 already.
>
>    True, but I was being a little less specific with the version
>numbers than you are. To me, System 7.1 encompases both 7.1.1 and 7.1.2
>because the really are the same overall system.

No they aren't. Thus, you need the Dragging Enabler to do inter-application
dragging with System 7.1 or 7.0.x, but you don't need it with 7.1.1 or later.
Also, PowerTalk 1.0 only works with 7.1.1 or 7.1.2.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Computer Services Dept                     fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
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Date:         Mon, 21 Nov 1994 09:45:00 +1300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Buyer's Remorse

Barry Chern <[e-mail]> writes:

>Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote, back when I meant to reply originally:
>
>>>What exactly happened when you tried moving stuff to/from the desktop?
>
>As best as I can remember, the icon just snapped right back to where it
>started. I didn't notice this happening with dragging between other
>folders. But, I didn't mess with it for long.

OK, it wasn't quite clear to me what you were trying to drag. Obviously you
weren't trying to move Finder icons from a folder/disk window to the desktop,
but dragging items out of an application window.

Besides the requirement for Finder 7.1.3/7.1.4, there are three parts to the
Drag Manager:
  * The "Macintosh Drag and Drop" extension itself. This is built into
    System 7.5; you only need it under earlier systems.
  * The "Dragging Enabler". This replaces your Process Manager with a version
    that supports inter-application dragging. This new Process Manager is
    built into System 7.1.1 or later, so you only need it on earlier systems.
  * The "Clipping Extension", which adds Drag Manager support to the Finder.
    You always need to install this.

Hope that makes things clearer...

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Computer Services Dept                     fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
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Date:         Sun, 20 Nov 1994 16:53:46 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Steve Bryan <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: OSAX Source

>I guess no one works in pascal anymore.

I don't have the luxury of working much in pascal any more but my guess is
that you are trying to link with the "wrong" library. Which one is in your
project? If you are trying to use the standard "Runtime.Lib" you will
definitely get that error message. Make certain that you use
"DRVRRuntime.Lib".

|-------------------------------------------------------------|
Steve Bryan                Internet: [e-mail]
Sexton Software          CompuServe: 76545,527
Minneapolis, MN 55415           Fax: [phone]
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Date:         Sun, 20 Nov 1994 18:09:20 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: buyer's remorse

Lawrence D'Oliveiro writes:

>Thus, you need the Dragging Enabler to do inter-application
>dragging with System 7.1 or 7.0.x, but you don't need it with 7.1.1 or later.

I gave a different System cut-off point for Dragging Enabler in a recent
message.  Lawrence is correct.

[The easy way is to try it...if it works without the Dragging Enabler, it
works without the Dragging Enabler.]

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
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Date:         Sun, 20 Nov 1994 21:52:04 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         John Dunning <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: more Eudora

At 11/17/94, Dan Hinckley wrote:
> 1) This line in a 'Tell app "Eudora.." ' opens a reply message w/the msg
> body selected . Anyone tell me whether/how AS can be used to move the
> insertion point to the top or bottom of the quoted msg body? I haven't
> found an osax for it w/that capacity yet:
>
> >set theReply to reply message n of mailbox "test" with quoting and self

I believe there are osaxen that enable you to script keystrokes in apps
that aren't otherwise scriptable.  A single tap of the left-arrow will then
move the insertion point to the top of the message.  It is a little
annoying that the message body is always highlighted when you move the
insertion point into it.

However, in Eudora it is possible with AppleScript to move the insertion
point from one field to the next.  For instance, the following script sets
the To: field of a new message to a string, then sets the Subject: field to
the empty string, which effectively moves the insertion point to the
Subject: field without actually entering any text.

tell application "Eudora"
        set recipient to (get selected text)
        set newMessage to make new message at end of mailbox "Out" of mail
folder ""
        set field "To:" of newMessage to recipient
        set field "Subject:" of newMessage to ""
end tell


John

______________________________________________________________________________
John Dunning                                    [e-mail]
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Date:         Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:26:38 +0900
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Seiji Hayashi <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: [Q}Applescript FAQs

Dear Matthew
        Thank you for your response. It was a great help. I really
appreciate it!!

--------------------------------------------
Seiji Hayashi ([e-mail])
Department of Earth and Planetary Sciences
School of Science,Nagoya University
Furo-cho  Chikusa-ku
Nagoya 464-01 Japan
--------------------------------------------
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Date:         Mon, 21 Nov 1994 00:09:06 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Clinton MacDonald <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scriptable Finder -- not recording?

Friends:

   Recently, while trying to write a Finder AppleScript, I noticed that
turning on "record" did not record any of my actions in the Finder. Well,
it used to work.... Before I start in on the Extension Conflict Shuffle
(TM), I wonder whether anyone else has encountered this problem?

   Clint


   Dr. Clinton C. MacDonald        | [e-mail]
   Howard Hughes Medical Institute | [e-mail]
   Department of Molecular Biology | 609/258-5993
   Princeton, NJ 08544-1014        | 609/258-1704 (FAX)
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Date:         Mon, 21 Nov 1994 01:03:05 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "M. Brent Sleeper" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Any way to coerce a string into a date object?

Hello,

I'm working on a script to process a GopherSurfer log file. The log file is
plain ASCII and uses standard tab-delimited records. One of the fields in a
transaction record is an abbreviated long date (for example, "Sat, Oct 15,
1994 2:44 PM"). I would like to coerce this string into a date object so
that I can use Lawrence D'Oliveiro's nifty Date Calculations OSAX to
perform wonderful and amazing feats with my data.

AppleScript does not seem to be able to do the coercion trick; with the
following scriptlet, I get an Execution Error "Can't make 'Sat, Oct 15,
1994 2:44 PM' into a date."

--This won't work...
set dateString to "Sat, Oct 15, 1994 2:44 PM"
set dateObject to dateString as date
(* and then on with the fun stuff... *)

Any suggestions on how else to convert a string to a date? Is this possible?

Thanks for any tips,
Brent Sleeper


--
M. Brent Sleeeper -- [e-mail]
  Flightpath Communications -- [e-mail]
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Date:         Mon, 21 Nov 1994 01:07:41 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "M. Brent Sleeper" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      ClarisWorks 3.0 scriptable?

Hello,

Can anyone confirm or deny that ClarisWorks 3.0 is scriptable? I assume
not, as the product description sheet made no mention of AppleScript (or my
eyes overlooked it!).

For those of you that have scripted MacWrite Pro and/or WordPerfect, how
well do you think scripting has been implemented?

Thanks,
Brent Sleeper


--
M. Brent Sleeeper -- [e-mail]
  Flightpath Communications -- [e-mail]
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Date:         Mon, 21 Nov 1994 14:18:13 +0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Craig Richmond <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: ClarisWorks 3.0 scriptable?

At 2:07 PM 21/11/94, M. Brent Sleeper wrote:
>Can anyone confirm or deny that ClarisWorks 3.0 is scriptable? I assume
>not, as the product description sheet made no mention of AppleScript (or my
>eyes overlooked it!).

At a recent product demonstration, I asked the man from Claris Australia
and he stated that ClarisWorks 3.0 still only supported the core events.

If it is anything like 2.1, I expect this means that if you send it any
other events, it is likely to explode on you.  ClarisWorks 2.1 had a
moderate sized dictionary from memory.  Just lots of it didn't work.

Craig

--
Craig Richmond, Computer Officer, ECEL Computing Services  [phone]
The University of Western Australia      or 380 3860 Email for FAX Number
[e-mail] Dvorak Keyboards RULE!  "Messes are only acceptable
if users make them.  Applications aren't allowed this freedom" I.M.VI 2-4
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Date:         Mon, 21 Nov 1994 02:47:39 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Barry Chern <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: buyer's remorse
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

>>Lawrence D'Oliveiro writes:
>>
>>>>What exactly happened when you tried moving stuff to/from the desktop?
>>
>>As best as I can remember, the icon just snapped right back to where it
>>started. I didn't notice this happening with dragging between other
>>folders. But, I didn't mess with it for long.
>
>OK, it wasn't quite clear to me what you were trying to drag. Obviously you
>weren't trying to move Finder icons from a folder/disk window to the desktop,
>but dragging items out of an application window.

I don't know why that seems obvious from what I wrote, but it's not true.
I was trying to move Finder icons from a folder/disk window to the
desktop, and vice-versa.

Barry
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Date:         Mon, 21 Nov 1994 00:30:51 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Any way to coerce a string into a date object?

>Hello,
>
>I'm working on a script to process a GopherSurfer log file. The log file is
>plain ASCII and uses standard tab-delimited records. One of the fields in a
>transaction record is an abbreviated long date (for example, "Sat, Oct 15,
>1994 2:44 PM"). I would like to coerce this string into a date object so
>that I can use Lawrence D'Oliveiro's nifty Date Calculations OSAX to
>perform wonderful and amazing feats with my data.
>
>AppleScript does not seem to be able to do the coercion trick; with the
>following scriptlet, I get an Execution Error "Can't make 'Sat, Oct 15,
>1994 2:44 PM' into a date."
>
>--This won't work...
>set dateString to "Sat, Oct 15, 1994 2:44 PM"
>set dateObject to dateString as date
>(* and then on with the fun stuff... *)
>
>Any suggestions on how else to convert a string to a date? Is this possible?

Try

set dateString to "Sat, Oct 15, 1994 2:44 PM"
set dateObject to date dateString


(or leave out the dateString object altogether, if that's convenient).

You'll have to experiment to see just how far the system will go in
interpreting not-quite-right date strings...it works pretty hard, as seen
by the fact that it manages this one:

 "10'15, 1994 2:44 PM" and even this one  "10+15, 1994 2*44 PM"

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
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Date:         Mon, 21 Nov 1994 00:30:55 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: ClarisWorks 3.0 scriptable?

>At 2:07 PM 21/11/94, M. Brent Sleeper wrote:
>>Can anyone confirm or deny that ClarisWorks 3.0 is scriptable? I assume
>>not, as the product description sheet made no mention of AppleScript (or my
>>eyes overlooked it!).
>
>At a recent product demonstration, I asked the man from Claris Australia
>and he stated that ClarisWorks 3.0 still only supported the core events.

And by "core", I think he meant "required"..."just the core events" can do
quite a lot.

>If it is anything like 2.1, I expect this means that if you send it any
>other events, it is likely to explode on you.  ClarisWorks 2.1 had a
>moderate sized dictionary from memory.  Just lots of it didn't work.

It's called bug fix by specification change.  --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
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Date:         Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:32:51 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Davies <[e-mail]>
Subject:      PowerTalk and Applescript (groan, yes again!)

OK, I know it's everyone's least favorite subject but could someone one
update me on the current state of affairs with PowerTalk scripting. I want to
be able to filter my incomming email for instance.

I seem to remember hearing about a commercial package called something like
'Power Rules' that allows Applescript access to most of PowerTalk's
functionality? Anyone know where I can get a copy from?

I'm not sure where the responsibility lies for Applescript-aware PowerTalk
services. Is it with Apple to extend the Finders Applescript awareness to
encompass PT or is it with the 3rd party developers like Star Nine who make
the CSAMs?

Thanks,

David Davies
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Date:         Mon, 21 Nov 1994 10:19:39 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Kee's show and tell
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Sat, 19 Nov 94 13:36:16 PST"

Brian,

>>Had to create a prefs file to store configuration data into. The ability of
>>HyperCard to remember stuff is quite nice. I needed to do a bunch of text
>>processing and I personally found the combination of AppleScript and no
>>place to store variables just too much. But the real kicker was what seemed
>>to be some sort of memory leak. It was a long time ago (in finger strokes)
>>that I attempted to bend FaceSpan to do my bidding. The creation cycle,
>>seemed slow and the debugging was non-existent.
>
>You don't have to have a prefs file, you can use properties.
>
>As to the leak, get version 1.0.1.

How do you get this? Is it part of the AppleScript Developer's Guide update?

Thanks.

pf





+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Fred Terry, The Alta Group, [e-mail], +1 913/841-1283
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Date:         Mon, 21 Nov 1994 16:26:51 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dan Hinckley <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: more Eudora

>> 1) This line in a 'Tell app "Eudora.." ' opens a reply message w/the msg
>> body selected . Anyone tell me whether/how AS can be used to move the
>> insertion point to the top or bottom of the quoted msg body? I haven't
>> found an osax for it w/that capacity yet:
>>
>> >set theReply to reply message n of mailbox "test" with quoting and self
>
John Dunning sez:
>I believe there are osaxen that enable you to script keystrokes in apps
>that aren't otherwise scriptable.

Anyone seen such a critter?
>
>However, in Eudora it is possible with AppleScript to move the insertion
>point from one field to the next.  For instance, the following script sets
>the To: field of a new message to a string, then sets the Subject: field to
>the empty string, which effectively moves the insertion point to the
>Subject: field without actually entering any text.
>_________________________________________________
>John Dunning                                    [e-mail]

I'd worked out the shift you describe. What I wanted to do was insert some
text at the beginning or end of the Reply w/o having to set the msgBody to
a variable and paste it back in, though that works just fine..
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Date:         Mon, 21 Nov 1994 11:42:45 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Dana E. Cartwright 315-442-9104" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Enabling/Disabling Scripts in Script Menu

I've finished making an app of mine scriptable, and as part of
that effort I provide a "Scripts" menu which lists all scripts
found at launch time in a "Scripts" folder.  I foresee this
being used by our in-house development staff as a quick and
cost-effective way to write "plug-ins" for the app, and users
may well write scripts for themselves.

So far, so good.

I have been very very careful in the past development of this
app to make sure that menus enable/disable depending on whether
they are relevant at the moment.  But now I'm faced with considering
how the Scripts menu items (each of which represents a script)
should be grayed out.

Since the Scripts menu is built dynamically when the app is launched,
and because the app doesn't know what each script does (especially
those written by third parties), I need some dynamic way of
establishing the menu enable/disable rules.

I can think of several technical aspects of this challenge, and
there's also a user interface issue (that is, I see both a question
of "how do the scripts communicate with the app so appropriate
menu control is exercised" and "how do I describe this process to
a script writer? What hoops will he/she have to go through?").

It appears to me, from the few apps I've glanced at which have
Scripts menus, that they simply ignore this problem.

Has anyone a solid approach to this?  Does Apple have any human
interface guidelines on this?
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Date:         Mon, 21 Nov 1994 09:12:43 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Stephen Iremonger <[e-mail]>
Subject:      FMP and Passwords

        Reply to:   FMP and Passwords
To use AppleScript to open a FileMaker Pro dbase that has a password you use
the optional parameter 'with password'

e.g.

tell application "FileMaker Pro"
  open "fileAlias" with password "appropriatePassword"
end tell
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Date:         Mon, 21 Nov 1994 09:32:29 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jerry Ballard <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FMP and Passwords

As a point of interest, if you have 2 levels of access set up, one with a
password for administration, and the other with no password for general
limited access, FM presents you with a "enter password, or click OK for
limited access" dialog" upon opening.
I've found no way to script my way past this other than to set up a password
for the limited access level in ADDITION to a 'no password' access.
That way you can script for the desired access level, or open without a
password directly.

_______________________________________________________________________________

        Reply to:   FMP and Passwords
To use AppleScript to open a FileMaker Pro dbase that has a password you use
the optional parameter 'with password'

e.g.

tell application "FileMaker Pro"
  open "fileAlias" with password "appropriatePassword"
end tell
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Date:         Mon, 21 Nov 1994 10:35:18 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Leonard Rosenthol <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Enabling/Disabling Scripts in Script Menu

At 8:42 AM 11/21/94, Dana E. Cartwright 315-442-9104 wrote:
>I have been very very careful in the past development of this
>app to make sure that menus enable/disable depending on whether
>they are relevant at the moment.  But now I'm faced with considering
>how the Scripts menu items (each of which represents a script)
>should be grayed out.
>
>It appears to me, from the few apps I've glanced at which have
>Scripts menus, that they simply ignore this problem.
>
        Ignore the problem - it's MUCH easier!

        If you "must" do it, then the correct approach IMHO would be to
send an "event" (OSAExecuteEvent) to the script which can then return a
boolean responce of enable/disable.  The only disadvantage to this approach
is speed - if you've got a LOT of scripts, then it is going to a LONG time
for menus to drop!


Leonard

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Leonard Rosenthol                       Internet:       [e-mail]
Director of Engineering                 AppleLink:      MACgician
Aladdin Systems, Inc.                   GEnie:          MACgician
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Date:         Mon, 21 Nov 1994 11:40:19 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Klaus P. Fechner" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Buyer's Remorse

>>Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote, back when I meant to reply originally:
>>
>>>>What exactly happened when you tried moving stuff to/from the desktop?
>>
>>As best as I can remember, the icon just snapped right back to where it
>>started. I didn't notice this happening with dragging between other
>>folders. But, I didn't mess with it for long.
>>

....

>The difference between Finder 7.1.3 and 7.1.4 is minute, and not
>significant to drag and drop.  Under System versions prior to 7.5, either
>of those Finder's requires an extension called "Dragging Enabler" to fix up
>the Finder dragging you're having trouble with (the fix is included in
>System 7.5).

Thanks for the hints! The Dragging Enabler fell victim to my unsuccessful
attempt at getting 7.5 to run on my SE (it worked, but not with Compact
Virtual). After reading Jeremy P. Howard's reply to this list I put it back
in with 7.1 and tried it sucessfully with both Finder 7.1.3 and 7.1.4.
Drag/drop works (again) as expected. Thanks very much!

Klaus

-------------------------------------------------------------
Klaus P. Fechner, Stanford University/VAMC Palo Alto, CA, USA
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 08:49:00 +1300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Enabling/Disabling Scripts in Script Menu

"Dana E. Cartwright 315-442-9104" <[e-mail]> writes:

>Since the Scripts menu is built dynamically when the app is launched,
>and because the app doesn't know what each script does (especially
>those written by third parties), I need some dynamic way of
>establishing the menu enable/disable rules.
>
>I can think of several technical aspects of this challenge, and
>there's also a user interface issue (that is, I see both a question
>of "how do the scripts communicate with the app so appropriate
>menu control is exercised" and "how do I describe this process to
>a script writer? What hoops will he/she have to go through?").

Remember that you can do a lot of things with a script besides running it:
you can invoke specific handlers by name, and you can get/set properties.

So what you need to do is define a standard set of handlers and/or properties,
which return information that your application can interrogate to determine
whether the script is currently applicable or not.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Computer Services Dept                     fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 08:55:00 +1300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: ClarisWorks 3.0 scriptable?

"M. Brent Sleeper" <[e-mail]> asks:

>For those of you that have scripted MacWrite Pro and/or WordPerfect, how
>well do you think scripting has been implemented?

I've done a little MacWrite Pro scripting. It's pretty basic: you can get and
set the selection, insert text, select menu items, apply styles, do some
search/replace, do a mail merge, and not much else. It doesn't support the
Object Model, which is a major limitation.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Computer Services Dept                     fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:14:47 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Enabling/Disabling Scripts in Script Menu

>I've finished making an app of mine scriptable, and as part of
>that effort I provide a "Scripts" menu which lists all scripts
>found at launch time in a "Scripts" folder.  I foresee this
>being used by our in-house development staff as a quick and
>cost-effective way to write "plug-ins" for the app, and users
>may well write scripts for themselves.
>
>So far, so good.
>
>I have been very very careful in the past development of this
>app to make sure that menus enable/disable depending on whether
>they are relevant at the moment.  But now I'm faced with considering
>how the Scripts menu items (each of which represents a script)
>should be grayed out.
>
>Since the Scripts menu is built dynamically when the app is launched,
>and because the app doesn't know what each script does (especially
>those written by third parties), I need some dynamic way of
>establishing the menu enable/disable rules.
>
>I can think of several technical aspects of this challenge, and
>there's also a user interface issue (that is, I see both a question
>of "how do the scripts communicate with the app so appropriate
>menu control is exercised" and "how do I describe this process to
>a script writer? What hoops will he/she have to go through?").
>
>It appears to me, from the few apps I've glanced at which have
>Scripts menus, that they simply ignore this problem.
>
>Has anyone a solid approach to this?  Does Apple have any human
>interface guidelines on this?

As the script is run idependently of the state of the app there is no
general way of determining which ones should be grayed out. How can the app
writer know which ones would be valid. You could of course define all the
different possible states as some enumeration. Then when you start up each
script would be sent a command asking which states it used. Then use this
information to grey out their entry. Its a wild idea and totally
unpractical, IMHO!

In general when providing script menus developers have taken two approaches:

* Either they keep an internal data structure and add Add Script... and
Remove Script... to add the scripts from memory. Saving the alias to the
script files in their preferences. If they can't find the file the alias
represents then they don't show it in the list (or complain to the user
when they try to run it). Or keeping the 'scpt' resources in their
Preferences file (you would need to provide your app with a script editor
if you wanted to do this). You app is really attachable then.

* Choose a special folder (in your folder in the Preferences folder or the
application folder?) where the user places scripts to be executed. If the
scripts are there they appear in the menu.

The "lists all scripts found at launch time" is a serious loss. When the
user pulls down the menu should show the current set of scripts. Restarting
your app to add a script will be a big pain and won't be appraciated by the
users. Try one of the two techniques described above.

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer
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Date:         Mon, 21 Nov 1994 15:15:02 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "David E. Heady" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: ClarisWorks 3.0 scriptable?

According to Claris, ClarisWorks doesn't want to include the overhead to make
it fully scriptable. They feel this is a feature that separates them (in a
positive manner) from MSWorks which is rotund with OLE and such. They feel
that the average CW user doesn't use AS much. I think they are right. I have
found that PreFab Player gives me as much if not greater access to CW
features that a scripting dictionary would. Try it.
DHeady
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Date:         Mon, 21 Nov 1994 15:26:28 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Ian McKirdy <[e-mail]>
Subject:      List of remote Machines that are ON?

Maybe because it is monday but I can't see how to get a list of remote
machines such as one can see in the Chooser.  I have been through the
Language Guides and nothing seems to be capable of querying a folder that
is not mounted.  Quickeys will attempt to mount via Mounty any predefined
volumes whether the machine is turned on or not.  If the machine is off I
get a dialog box that I am getting tired of acknowledging.  If I could get
a List of remote machines I could then proceed to use predefined Quickeys
to mount the DropBoxes I need to access.

Any help is gratefully appreciated.



Ian McKirdy
Canada Centre Remote Sensing/Centre Canadien de T=E9l=E9d=E9tection
588 Booth Street, # 346
Ottawa, Ontario
CANADA  K1A 0Y7
613-947-1318
613-947-1385   Fax
[e-mail]     Email
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Date:         Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:23:54 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: I got this?

>For light reading:  "The Unix Haters Handbook"  [yes, the Unix members of
>the community are large contributors to the problem] Garfinkel, Weise &
>Strassmann (with an "anti-foreward" by Dennis Ritchie).  ISBN 1-56884-203-1

For those of you who don't know this is a collection of stuff from the
UNIX-HATERS mailing list out of MIT the home of the LISPers and "people who
never forgave the world for accepting Unix instead of ITS and C/C++ instead
of LISP".

Steve Strassmann is at Apple Cambridge contributing to Dylan.

An interesting book (which complains that C++ had no namespace control or
run time type information but by the time it was published C++ is speced to
have both -- I think this sums up C++!).

Its a shame AppleScript doesn't have handlers/procedures as first class
objects :-(

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer
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Date:         Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:43:37 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Kee's show and tell & FaceSpan

>As to the leak, get version 1.0.1.

and Fred said:

>How do you get this? Is it part of the AppleScript Developer's Guide update?

We need more details on both of these!

FaceSpan 1.0 is riddled with bugs (mask problems with the first icon, icon
resources get duplicated, not deleting icon resources when you ask it to
delete them, problems passing parameters to handler (especially references
to object) dependent upon script location, insistence that "contents of
theObj" means the the same as theObj even when talking to record with a
contents label, applets bomb when too much data is added to a app property,
loss of indentation on printing, crazy font spacing, string overlaps on
printouts, incorrect highlighting in multiple selections, no way to change
the 8x8 alignment grid, distribution across and enclosing box leads to
bizzare results!, if a button is the default item then its a pain to align
on the grid, no memory of project window layout, big gray updates, FaceSpan
catches thrown errors even when you have an error handler in place then
continues the error to you, a save command when there are no changes move
the insertion point to the bottom of the script, modal dialogs really are
modal (you can't have a modal looking window for which you write your own
dialog handler -- makes progress dialogs tricky, bombs during window layout
on PPC (which is sensetive to memory problems), can't handle general
AppleEvents, building a project copies all the resources into the app
including a project's ckid resource (yes, I use source code control!),
etc).

I have a standing joke with a collegue here called "FaceSpan bug du jour".
I have been finding one or more per day for the last month or more.

So I beleive I could make use of 1.0.1!

If anyone at SDU is listening I would like to put FaceSpan 2.0 alpha
through the mangle too.

FaceSpan is an interesting concept but it ain't ready for prime time in
1.0. Maybe 1.0.1 fixes the worse bugs. Remember in a commercial environment
we are out there competing Windows boxes with PowerBuilder and Visual
BASIC, which at least mature if rather dull development environments.

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer
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Date:         Mon, 21 Nov 1994 17:47:01 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dennis Whiteman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re(2): ClarisWorks 3.0 scriptable?

David E. Heady wrote on 11/20/94:

> They feel this is a feature that separates them
> (in a positive manner) from MSWorks which is
> rotund with OLE and such. They feel that the
> average CW user doesn't use AS much. I think
> they are right.

I disagree. If the state of Mac spreadsheets were such that Claris Resolve
and Lotus 1-2-3 were still around (and scriptable), I might tend to agree but
they aren't. Basically, if you want to do any work with a spreadsheet and
AppleScript, you're looking at Excel. I personally don't have the budget or
RAM for Excel if I want to pull data out of Filemaker Pro and generate a
chart. While I like ClarisWorks, if it continues like it is, I won't be
purchasing any more upgrades.

Version 3.0 is a joke for Mac users since it doesn't fully support Drag and
Drop and uses a proprietary help system over Apple Guide. I like 2.1 fine,
but the two questions I'm asking before buying any software these days is: 1)
is it native for PowerMacs or is a native upgrade planned (ClarisWorks met
this criteria quite well) and 2) is it scriptable? That said, I hope they'll
reconsider, but if what you're saying is true, we can pretty much abandon any
hope of OpenDoc support/usage in ClarisWorks since that requires some
scripting support.

Dennis L. Whiteman
THE ULTIMATE FREELANCER
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Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 13:37:00 +1300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: ClarisWorks 3.0 scriptable?

"David E. Heady" <[e-mail]> writes:

>According to Claris, ClarisWorks doesn't want to include the overhead to make
>it fully scriptable. They feel this is a feature that separates them (in a
>positive manner) from MSWorks which is rotund with OLE and such. They feel
>that the average CW user doesn't use AS much. I think they are right. I have
>found that PreFab Player gives me as much if not greater access to CW
>features that a scripting dictionary would.

That's a shame, and not just because it's a self-fulfilling expectation.
Having an application which is scriptable, recordable and fully supports the
Object Model is *much* nicer than trying to stuff around with intricate
sequences of mouse clicks and keystrokes which will break when the next
version of the application makes any changes to its user-interface elements.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Computer Services Dept                     fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
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Date:         Mon, 21 Nov 1994 16:06:48 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Tim Guinn <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Help with 'event ScTIstdD' ?

Well, I=B9ve finally done it. I took a week off from work to try
and learn Applescript.  Right ;-) ... I know, I=B9m not going to
accomplish much. But just getting the chance to play around with
it is half the battle, for me.

Anyhow. I=B9m trying to run the Scriptable Apps Search droplet
that is included with Scriptable Apps Searcher package from
gaea.kgs.ukans.edu:

   /applescript/scripts/FinderScriptingToolkit.hqx

I=B9ve installed the GTQ Scripting Library in its original folder,
inside my Extensions/Scripting Additions folder. But when I
run the droplet, I get this message:

=B3<<script>> doesnt understand the <<event ScTIstdD>> message=B2

Which to me indicates that maybe I haven=B9t installed a necessary
OSAX correctly. Yes? No? Is it maybe because I=B9ve got the GTQ Lib
nested three levels down in the System? Even though it *is* inside
the Scripting Additions, inside Extensions?

Or am I going off on an unnecessary tangent?

=46WIW, I=B9m only up to chapter VII of Goodman=B9s _Complete AppleScript
Handbook_. I=B9m just playing with this particular script (Scriptable
Apps Searcher) to see how a more advanced package works.

Should I keep reading the book till I get to the point where this
kind of thing gets explained? 8-) I *would* kinda=B9 like to find all of
my scriptable apps...

TIA

-tpg
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Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 13:45:00 +1300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Enabling/Disabling Scripts in Script Menu

Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]> writes:

>>I've finished making an app of mine scriptable, and as part of
>>that effort I provide a "Scripts" menu which lists all scripts
>>found at launch time in a "Scripts" folder.
..
>>Since the Scripts menu is built dynamically when the app is launched,
>>and because the app doesn't know what each script does (especially
>>those written by third parties), I need some dynamic way of
>>establishing the menu enable/disable rules.

>* Choose a special folder (in your folder in the Preferences folder or the
>application folder?) where the user places scripts to be executed. If the
>scripts are there they appear in the menu.
>
>The "lists all scripts found at launch time" is a serious loss.

This is absolutely correct. A nicer approach is to check the modification
date of the folder when the user clicks in the menu bar (or hits a command-
key shortcut); if it has changed since you last checked, then you need to
rebuild the Scripts menu before the user gets a chance to select from it.

By the way, Leonard is probably right that any kind of enabled/disabled
checking is going to be slow. But that's no reason not to try it anyway,
if only to prove the point. :-)

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Computer Services Dept                     fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
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Date:         Mon, 21 Nov 1994 20:14:18 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Bruce B. Lacey (Bruce B. Lacey)" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Any way to coerce a string into a date object?

>Hello,
>
>I'm working on a script to process a GopherSurfer log file. The log file is
>plain ASCII and uses standard tab-delimited records. One of the fields in a
>transaction record is an abbreviated long date (for example, "Sat, Oct 15,
>1994 2:44 PM"). I would like to coerce this string into a date object so
>that I can use Lawrence D'Oliveiro's nifty Date Calculations OSAX to
>perform wonderful and amazing feats with my data.
>
>AppleScript does not seem to be able to do the coercion trick; with the
>following scriptlet, I get an Execution Error "Can't make 'Sat, Oct 15,
>1994 2:44 PM' into a date."
>
>--This won't work...
>set dateString to "Sat, Oct 15, 1994 2:44 PM"
>set dateObject to dateString as date
>(* and then on with the fun stuff... *)
>
>Any suggestions on how else to convert a string to a date? Is this possible?

Well close on the as date but you need to first tell Applescript to
interpret dateString as a date value by using the following statement...

set dateObject to date dateString

This completes the setting of dateObject to a date value by filling in any
missing parts of dateString.  Then of course you can use it as a normal
date value.

Have fun.   ;-)
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Date:         Mon, 21 Nov 1994 22:08:56 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: ClarisWorks 3.0 scriptable?

>Lawrence D'Oliveiro says:
>
>I've done a little MacWrite Pro scripting. It's pretty basic: you can get and
>set the selection, insert text, select menu items, apply styles, do some
>search/replace, do a mail merge, and not much else. It doesn't support the
>Object Model, which is a major limitation.

Another way of looking at it is that it doesn't support the Object Model,
so it was possible to include the scripting which is there, within givens
of time and budget.  And the scripting which is there allows one to do
quite a bit...producing specially-formatted documents generally involves
preparing (by hand) a stationery document, and opening that stationery as
the arena into which the script puts the current data.

The rather amusing aspect is that the first scriptable (not "Scriptable",
since there was no 'aete') version was released very nearly the same day as
Apple's stealth release of AppleScript 1.0.  And Frontier glue was
available as of that release of MacWrite Pro.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
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Date:         Mon, 21 Nov 1994 22:50:04 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Help with 'event ScTIstdD' ?

>Well, I=B9ve finally done it. I took a week off from work to try
>and learn Applescript.  Right ;-) ... I know, I=B9m not going to
>accomplish much. But just getting the chance to play around with
>it is half the battle, for me.
>
>Anyhow. I=B9m trying to run the Scriptable Apps Search droplet
>that is included with Scriptable Apps Searcher package from
>gaea.kgs.ukans.edu:
>
>   /applescript/scripts/FinderScriptingToolkit.hqx
>
>I=B9ve installed the GTQ Scripting Library in its original folder,
>inside my Extensions/Scripting Additions folder. But when I
>run the droplet, I get this message:
>
>=B3<<script>> doesnt understand the <<event ScTIstdD>> message=B2
>
>Which to me indicates that maybe I haven=B9t installed a necessary
>OSAX correctly. Yes? No? Is it maybe because I=B9ve got the GTQ Lib
>nested three levels down in the System? Even though it *is* inside
>the Scripting Additions, inside Extensions?

Hmmm...I'm a little surprised, but yes...Scripting Additions seem to need
to be "loose" in the Scripting Additions folder, not nested at a lower
level.  Based on testing just now.  [Surprised, because recent portions of
Apple software have tended to follow the nests in the System Folder as far
down as necessary.]

What I do is apply a label to all non-Apple osaxen (so I can find them
quickly to get rid of them), and put the ones I might need into Scripting
Additions.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
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Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 00:18:21 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Enabling/Disabling Scripts in Script Menu

Dana E. Cartwright <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>I've finished making an app of mine scriptable, and as part of
>that effort I provide a "Scripts" menu which lists all scripts
>found at launch time in a "Scripts" folder.  ...
>
>I have been very very careful in the past development of this
>app to make sure that menus enable/disable depending on whether
>they are relevant at the moment.  But now I'm faced with considering
>how the Scripts menu items (each of which represents a script)
>should be grayed out.
>
> ...
>
>It appears to me, from the few apps I've glanced at which have
>Scripts menus, that they simply ignore this problem.
>
>Has anyone a solid approach to this?  Does Apple have any human
>interface guidelines on this?

We did this in PhotoFlash and I never saw the need to enable or disable
script menu items.  We disable the entire menu when dialogs are up, but
otherwise you can always run a script.  Heck, even our scripts can run
scripts.  Perhaps you are refering to some sort of necessary state the
script might require.  I think the solution is to write more robust
scripts.  They should interogate the app and account for all possible
states.  Most of my scripts at least account for the way they were launched
(i.e. run versus open, run with no selection versus run with a selection,
etc).

I think that's a much better solution than enabling and disabling things.
We manage it by supporting DoScript to run scripts.  We record an alias to
the script, but I would like to make it relative to the Scripts folder, but
I don't know what AppleScript does.  There's another exercise for the
curious.  How does AppleScript parse a relative alias?

In addition, it is best to save the modified date for the folder and
rebuild your cache when it changes.  We only check this when becoming the
front application.  Since we do an heirarchical menu, it can take some
serious time to hit the disk and rebuild the whole thing.  It's a bit much
for doing when you click on the menu.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[e-mail]> wrote:
>By the way, Leonard is probably right that any kind of enabled/disabled
>checking is going to be slow. But that's no reason not to try it anyway,
>if only to prove the point. :-)

It's not the running of the script that would delay it.  It's the loading,
both disk and AppleScript.  If you were to load all the scripts into OSAIDs
you would be able to send them messages right quick.  Donald's done some
tests with SpriteWorld using AppleScripts as collision detectors.  They
slow way down if you send any events outside of the application obviously,
but for direct dispatching of fast code and intrinsic AppleScript code,
it's plenty quick.

Jon
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Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 00:21:40 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Brian Hall <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 20 Nov 1994 to 21 Nov 1994

Leonard said:
>        Ignore the problem - it's MUCH easier!
>
>        If you "must" do it, then the correct approach IMHO would be to
>send an "event" (OSAExecuteEvent) to the script which can then return a
>boolean responce of enable/disable.  The only disadvantage to this approach
>is speed - if you've got a LOT of scripts, then it is going to a LONG time
>for menus to drop!

Lawrence:
>So what you need to do is define a standard set of handlers and/or properties,
>which return information that your application can interrogate to determine
>whether the script is currently applicable or not.

Someone should try this and see how it goes.

Of course this begs the question- how does the *script* know if it should
be enaabled? By sending events back to the app for state information? (ie,
"hasSelection", "window of type foo is frontmost", etc.

__________________________________________________________________________
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Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 04:53:11 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "M. Brent Sleeper" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      GopherStat: a Utility for GopherSurfer and WebStat

Hello,

GopherStat is an AppleScript application that will transform a GopherSurfer
log file into a MacHTTP-style log file that is compatible with WebStat.

Why, do you ask? Well, so I can serve nifty HTML reports about my
gopher server from my web server! Seriously, there really aren't any
utilities out there (as far as I know) to analyze GopherSurfer logs.
WebStat does such a nice job at MacHTTP that I thought I'd let it
tackle GopherSurfer, too.

Caveat: it's butt-slow.

Required Components:

Choose Files & Folders osax - Mark Alldritt - [e-mail]
Date Calculations osax - Lawrence D'Oliviera - [e-mail]
File IO osax - Mark Alldritt - [e-mail]

If you'd like a copy, either source or compiled, let me know, and I'll
e-mail it to you.

Brent Sleeper


--
M. Brent Sleeeper -- [e-mail]
  Flightpath Communications -- [e-mail]
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Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 06:38:00 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Lloyd <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scriptable Finder & 7.1 ?

Scriptable Finder & 7.1 ?

Can  safely use Finder 7.5 and the Finder Scripting Extension with System 7.1 ?
I heard reference once to there being problems with this setup resulting in lost
files.

Regards,

Dave L.
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Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 10:17:11 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Holger Skok <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: ClarisWorks 3.0 scriptable?
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]> from
              "Automatic digest processor" at Nov 22, 94 00:00:04 am

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Hi everyone,

PreFab Player sounds interesting. Does anyone have any more info on it?
(price, capabilities, available where, demo?)

Ciao,
HSK
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Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:43:09 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Michael D. Doub" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scriptable Drawing Program

Does anyone know if there is a scriptable Drawing Program available?

I would like to try and create a visual representation of a call graph for
subroutines within a program.  I have other tools create a text file that
contains information like:

"AAA called by BBB CCC"
"BBB called by CCC DDD"

The goal is to create a picture to help illustrate the complexity of the
program.

An suggestions would be appreciated

        -- Mike



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Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 08:43:59 CST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Peter Fleck - SMM <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scriptable Drawing Program

> Does anyone know if there is a scriptable Drawing Program
> available?

Canvas is scriptable although I've heard there are some problems (sorry
I can't be more specific.

Peter
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Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:52:24 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scriptable Finder & 7.1 ?
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "David Lloyd" at Nov 22, 94 06:38:00 am

--David Lloyd wrote:
>
>Scriptable Finder & 7.1 ?
>
>Can safely use Finder 7.5 and the Finder Scripting Extension with System
>7.1 ?  I heard reference once to there being problems with this setup
>resulting in lost files.

    Well, there isn't a Finder 7.5, but you can quite safely use Finder
7.1.3 or 7.1.4 along with Finder Scripting Extension under System 7.1.
I did this for quite some time on my Q80 before I upgraded it to an
8100. You also need to make sure you have the 7.1.3 version of the
Network Extension.

-Hades
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 10:22:20 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Gib Veconi <[e-mail]>
Subject:      RE> PowerTalk and ApplescrI

On Tue, Nov 22, 1994, David Davies wrote:

>OK, I know it's everyone's least favorite subject but could someone one
>update me on the current state of affairs with PowerTalk scripting. I want to

>be able to filter my incomming email for instance.

There is a set of osaxen called GTQLib which contains some commands for using
PowerTalk (but none which can filter your email). The set is available at gaea.


There is also a company called Graphical Business Interfaces which publishes
AOCE tools for AppleScript. I've ordered, but not yet received, their
developer's kit. You can reach GBI at http://www.gbi.com/.

Gib

_____________________________________________________________________________


     _______    _______   ________
    |  _____\  |  _____\ |\  _____ \   Gib Veconi
    |\ \____|  |\ \____| \ \ \____\ \   System Analyst
    \ \_____ \ \ \ \      \ \  _____/    SCP Communications, Inc.
     \|_____\ \ \ \ \____  \ \ \____/     134 West 29th Street
      |\______/  \ \______\ \ \_\          New York, NY 10001
      \|______/   \|______|  \|_|                                 [e-mail]
*
_____________________________________________________________________________
*
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 07:24:17 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Alldritt <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Help with 'event ScTIstdD' ?

Hello,

> =B3<<script>> doesnt understand the <<event ScTIstdD>> message=B2

The ScTlstdD event is one of mine.  Try installing Script Tools
(specifically the Choose Files & Folders osax).

-Mark
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 16:03:52 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Michael Bach <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scriptable Drawing Program

Dear colleagues:

Michael D. Doub wrote:

>Does anyone know if there is a scriptable Drawing Program available?
>...

I tried Canvas (US version 3.5 and 3.5.2) with the examples on gaea.
Unfortunately, it crashes after a minute or so. Anyone to have more luck?
Or what am I doing wrong? Other scriptable applications and AppleScript
itself (vs 1.1) run fine.

Greetings, Michael.

Dr. Michael Bach, Dept. of Ophthalmology, University of Freiburg,
D-79106 Freiburg, Germany. ++049(761)270-4060. [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 11:26:16 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Gib Veconi <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Mac listserv s/w?

I think this may have been covered before, but is anybody aware of a Mac-based,
 scriptable, listerv program? Use of AOCE would be a plus.


_____________________________________________________________________________

     _______    _______   ________
    |  _____\  |  _____\ |\  _____ \   Gib Veconi
    |\ \____|  |\ \____| \ \ \____\ \   System Analyst
    \ \_____ \ \ \ \      \ \  _____/    SCP Communications, Inc.
     \|_____\ \ \ \ \____  \ \ \____/     134 West 29th Street
      |\______/  \ \______\ \ \_\          New York, NY 10001
      \|______/   \|______|  \|_|                                 [e-mail]

_____________________________________________________________________________
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 10:51:46 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      DayDoubler (humor)

For those of you waiting for the TimeDoubler osax that Dan Hinckley mentioned,
Connectrix has a new product......

**Brady Johnson** <[e-mail]> writes to announce a new
  product that might be of interest:

  DayDoubler is a new product from Connectrix that gives you those
  extra hours in each day that we've been asking for. Using
  sophisticated time mapping and compression techniques to double
  the number of hours in the day, DayDoubler gives you access to 48
  hours each day. With the shareware hack MaxDay, you can easily
  stretch your day to 60, 72, or even 96 hours! Connectrix warns
  that at the higher numbers DayDoubler becomes less stable and that
  you run the risk of a temporal crash in which everything from the
  beginning of time to the present would come crashing down around
  you, sucking you into a black hole.

  Should this occur, be sure to reboot with the shift key down.


copyright Adam Engst, TidBITS#253/21-Nov-94
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 10:53:35 -0400
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         macscrpt <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Copy from In-box?

I'm looking for a way to copy messages from a PowerTalk in-box to a Mac
file-system using AppleScript so that messages from a listserv can be indexed
for searching. Any ideas?

Thanks.

Dave Young
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:00:01 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jeff Johnson <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FaceSpan 1.0.1 (was Kee's show & tell)

>>As to the leak, get version 1.0.1.
>
>and Fred said:
>
>>How do you get this? Is it part of the AppleScript Developer's Guide update?
>
>We need more details on both of these!

I got FaceSpan 1.0.1 with my recent purchase of the AppleScript Developer's
Kit.  I just started developing in FaceSpan, which I like very much.  I
suppose if I'd started with version 1.0 I wouldn't like it quite so much,
if your bug list is any indication!

I haven't had any major problems yet, aside from an irritating problem with
the FaceSpan app becoming hidden when I activate the Finder inside a
handler.  The handler exits with the Finder still the foreground
application.  I don't want FaceSpan to become hidden; I just want it to go
to the background, with the document window still open.  Very peculiar
problem!

Otherwise, my projects have run rather flawlessly.  I do have a couple of
gripes about the interface for scripts.  There really should be a
source-level debugger in the thing. I'd like to be able to move the cursor
directly to the first line of a handler.  I'd like to be able to watch
variables as scripts execute, set breakpoints, you know, the usual stuff.
Right now I write my scripts as separate chunks of routines in the Apple
Script Editor, debug them through repeated execution, and then move them
back into FaceSpan when they're solid enough.

I tried ScriptWizard, but it's abominable.  Great ideas, but incredibly
INCREDIBLY slow! I can't write a script longer than a single window-full
before it becomes too slow to use interactively.

I haven't done much scripting in HyperCard, though I've written a few
stacks over the years, for two reasons: color support is awful in
HyperCard, and I like to create colorful interfaces, and the script editor
doesn't support AppleScript standard formatting. I find color-coding my
scripts extremely useful; it helps me develop faster.  It's not just a
luxury for me.

Call SDU and get FaceSpan 1.0.1! 919-968-4567.



Jeff Johnson

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=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:01:06 +0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Robert Hess <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Mac listserv s/w?

        Reply to:   RE>Mac listserv s/w?
I've been petitioning the author of MailShare, Glenn Anderson, to add
listserv capabilities to his program. He seems willing, if not awfully
busy already. You might want to send your own appeal to
[e-mail].

--------------------------------------
From: Gib Veconi
I think this may have been covered before, but is anybody aware of a
Mac-based, scriptable, listerv program? Use of AOCE would be a plus.
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 12:41:38 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Andy Cemelli (remote)" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scriptable Finder & 7.1 ? -Reply

If i want to take "XText" and turn it into "Text" what is the simplest
way.  Tried "Delete char 1 of variablename" didn't work.

thanks

Andrew Cemelli
Systems Engineer, Novell
([e-mail])
---------------------------------------------------
The fact that I'm opinionated is not my employer's fault.
---------------------------------------------------
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 19:19:48 MET
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Axel Wilzopolski <[e-mail]>
Subject:      wait for end of application

I want an AppleScript-application to start another application and
after that waiting for the termination of that application before
any other thing is done in the applescript.

I think it should look like this:

...things to do

tell application XXX
    activate
end tell

WaitForEndOfXXX()

... more things to do


At the moment my script is starting the application but immediatly
continuing to execute the following AppleScript-commands.
Does anyone know a solution to my problem ?

Axel
--
Axel Wilzopolski
Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co KG, Helstorferstr. 7, D-30625 Hannover, FRG
EMail: [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 13:08:27 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kyraden <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Mac listserv s/w?

>        Reply to:   RE>Mac listserv s/w?
>I've been petitioning the author of MailShare, Glenn Anderson, to add
>listserv capabilities to his program. He seems willing, if not awfully
>busy already. You might want to send your own appeal to
>[e-mail].
>
>--------------------------------------
>From: Gib Veconi


I asked the same of him about 3 weeks ago and got a negative from him, but
I will send again. Maybe if more people (hint hint) send in requests, he
would be willing!

| Jaeson M. Engle    ||    [e-mail]  |
         www server: http://josaiah.sewanee.edu/          )
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 13:16:13 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kyraden <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: DayDoubler (humor)

I'm a bit confussed. What exactly *is* this TimeDoubler/ DayDoubler going to do?

>For those of you waiting for the TimeDoubler osax that Dan Hinckley mentioned,
>Connectrix has a new product......
>
>**Brady Johnson** <[e-mail]> writes to announce a new
>  product that might be of interest:
>
>  DayDoubler is a new product from Connectrix that gives you those
>  extra hours in each day that we've been asking for. Using
>  sophisticated time mapping and compression techniques to double
>  the number of hours in the day, DayDoubler gives you access to 48
>  hours each day. With the shareware hack MaxDay, you can easily
>  stretch your day to 60, 72, or even 96 hours! Connectrix warns
>  that at the higher numbers DayDoubler becomes less stable and that
>  you run the risk of a temporal crash in which everything from the
>  beginning of time to the present would come crashing down around
>  you, sucking you into a black hole.
>
>  Should this occur, be sure to reboot with the shift key down.
>
>
>copyright Adam Engst, TidBITS#253/21-Nov-94

| Jaeson M. Engle    ||    [e-mail]  |
         www server: http://josaiah.sewanee.edu/          )
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 14:30:38 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         John Schettino <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: wait for end of application

>I want an AppleScript-application to start another application and
>after that waiting for the termination of that application before
>any other thing is done in the applescript.
>
>I think it should look like this:
>
>...things to do
>
>tell application XXX
>    activate
>end tell
>
>WaitForEndOfXXX()
>
>... more things to do
>
>
>At the moment my script is starting the application but immediatly
>continuing to execute the following AppleScript-commands.
>Does anyone know a solution to my problem ?
>

Idle processing is the best way:

on run
        -- do your work
        tell application "XXX"
                activate
        end tell
end run

on idle
        -- either use the scriptable finder
        -- or some other OSAX that lists processes (on gaea)
        tell application "Finder"
                if name of processes does not contain "appName" then
                        doRest()
                        tell me to quit
                else
                        return 1 -- check every second
                end if
        end tell
end idle

on doRest()
        -- do the rest of your script
end doRest

on quit
        continue quit
end quit

Save as a stay-open app so the idle handler is executed.

Another way that eats CPU cycles is:

-- do your work
tell application "PPUI"
        activate
end tell

repeat
        tell application "Finder"
                if name of processes does not contain "appName" then
                        exit repeat
                end if
        end tell
end repeat
-- do the rest of your script

- john

-----------------------------------------
[e-mail]             GTE Laboratories
John Schettino                Waltham, MA
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 11:44:54 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kee Nethery <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re2: Mac listserv s/w?

>>I've been petitioning the author of MailShare, Glenn Anderson, to add
>>listserv capabilities to his program. He seems willing, if not awfully
>>busy already. You might want to send your own appeal to
>>[e-mail].
>
>I asked the same of him about 3 weeks ago and got a negative from him, but
>I will send again. Maybe if more people (hint hint) send in requests, he
>would be willing!

Folks, before we start to kill the goose that laid the golden egg, please
keep in mind that Glenn has a day job that occupies a large part of his
time. The demands of this new job caused him to issue MailShare as freeware
rather than pursue some kind of shareware or commercial arrangement. The
guy is swamped and just because we see him as our hero is no reason for him
to feel obligated to give up his life and devote it to our desires.

It might be more constructive if people started thinking about how they
could work with MailShare and Glenn Anderson to add the functionality
everyone desires. Is there a code wrangler out there who might be willing
to start with Glenn's source code (if he is willing to allow this) and
coordinate amongst coders in this group to add the functionality we desire?
Is there someone who would be willing to write an applet that watches
MailShare folders and moves mail around to create a listserv function? Is
there a group who wants to do an AppleScript applet that acts as a
listserv? ...

Let's be creative but lets don't lean on Glenn. If he has the time he'll do
it. If he doesn't he won't. If we piss him off in a big way, his support
for MailShare could stop here and now. Maybe someone can suggest some way
to meet Glenn's needs and ours without impacting Glenn's time?

Kee Nethery

PS: I too want MailShare to support Mailing Lists but I too do not have the
time.
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 23 Nov 1994 08:53:00 +1300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Enabling/Disabling Scripts in Script Menu

Brian Hall <[e-mail]> asks:

>Lawrence:
>>So what you need to do is define a standard set of handlers and/or properties,
>>which return information that your application can interrogate to determine
>>whether the script is currently applicable or not.
>
>Of course this begs the question- how does the *script* know if it should
>be enaabled? By sending events back to the app for state information? (ie,
>"hasSelection", "window of type foo is frontmost", etc.

Yup, that's the sort of thing I had in mind. Keep the application<->script
interface simple (perhaps just call a "are you enabled?" handler), and let
the script do all the complicated checks it has to. All the more reason to
support the Object Model!

(By the way, I thought I'd heard everything, until I read Jon's description of
collision detection handlers done in AppleScript. Tinkerability rules, OK!)

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Computer Services Dept                     fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 23 Nov 1994 08:57:00 +1300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scriptable Finder & 7.1 ?

David Lloyd <[e-mail]> asks:

>Can  safely use Finder 7.5 and the Finder Scripting Extension with System 7.1 ?
>I heard reference once to there being problems with this setup resulting in
 lost
>files.

The Finder version is only 7.1.4, not 7.5. It's the same Finder that's been
shipping with all the Power Macs. Yes, I believe it is safe to use with 7.1.
There was mention of this on one of my CDs--might have been the AppleScript
one. The note said to be aware of the possibility of the lost data, yet at
the same time it said they didn't expect any problems. (I guess they were just
trying to cover themselves.)

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Computer Services Dept                     fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 11:08:16 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Enabling/Disabling Scripts in Script Menu

>
>In addition, it is best to save the modified date for the folder and
>rebuild your cache when it changes.  We only check this when becoming the
>front application.  Since we do an heirarchical menu, it can take some
>serious time to hit the disk and rebuild the whole thing.  It's a bit much
>for doing when you click on the menu.

I think you are doing it right...but only checking the modified date upon
activation leaves a small "hole":  consider a script which tells Finder to
move another script into the Scripts folder.

The solution?

If it hurts, don't do it.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 14:16:40 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Ray Lam <[e-mail]>
Subject:      AppleScripting Tools

Hi,

I'm thinking of getting a copy of a scripting tool such as FrontMost,
ScriptWizard, TableServer or others. I need some recommandation on what to
get. Can anyone send
 me their experience or is there a newgroup which will discuss this topic.
Thanks in advance.

Ray Lam
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 16:19:02 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Chris LeCroy <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FMP Timeout Problem!

>>IUm working on a fairly large & involved AppleScript that manipulates
>>data in several FileMaker Pro files. It all seems to work really well, exc=
e=3D
>pt
>>for one niggling--and highly frustrating--problem:
>>
>>When I try to obtain the number of records in the current found set,
>>the event never resolves; instead, after a minute or so, I get an RAppleEv=
e=3D
>nt
>>timed outS dialog box.
>>
>>The problem line is:
>>
>>        set rCount to (Count of Layout 1 of Window 1 Class Record)--times
>>out
>>
>>IUve tried it with long time outs and it just doesnUt do any good.
>>
>>
>>Please help!!!
>>
>>

As Mark pointed out, the problem has to do with FileMaker replying to the
AppleEvent when the script is triggered rather than after it has completed.
The following is a function I use to avoid the problem:

on WaitUntilFileMakerIsReady(maxWaitSeconds)
        repeat
                (*Exercise for the reader:
                         if elapsed time exceeds  maxWaitSeconds
                           return
                         end if
                *)
                try
                        tell application "FileMaker Pro 2.1v2"
                                get version --any benign statement
                                return
                        end tell
                on error msg number errNum from errObj
                        if err =82 -1712 then -- errAETimeout =3D=3D -1712
                                error msg number errNum from errObj
                        end if
                end try
        end repeat
end WaitUntilFileMakerIsReady

Just insert WaitUntilFileMakerIsReady() calls immediately following your
=46ileMaker calls and it will simply loop until FileMaker is ready to receiv=
e
events again.  I think this works better than some of the other workarounds
I've seen posted, in that it actually waits until FileMaker responds and it
doesn't require any modifications to your FileMaker scripts.  It possible
that a some[one,thing] could sneak another call in between the
WaitUntilFileMakerIsReady() and your next FileMaker call, but the odds are
low and the other solutions have the same potential problem.

Hope this helps,

---
Chris LeCroy - [e-mail]
SouthBeach Software Corp.
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 23 Nov 1994 11:29:33 +1200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Owen Watson <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: RE> PowerTalk and ApplescrI

>There is also a company called Graphical Business Interfaces which publishes
>AOCE tools for AppleScript. I've ordered, but not yet received, their
>developer's kit. You can reach GBI at http://www.gbi.com/.

Be careful with GBI. I bought their TableIt! product, but it broke on a
IIsi. I returned it for a refund (the promised fix never arrived) and
despite numerous reminders have not received any refund or a reply.

Caveat emptor!

_________________________________________________________________________
Owen Watson, The Royal Society of NZ, PO Box 598, Wellington, New Zealand
Internet [e-mail]  Ph: [phone] Fax: [phone]
The gateway to New Zealand science: http://www.rsnz.govt.nz/
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 16:05:16 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Bill Russell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Date

Hi: I'm new to Applescript. Just as a test case, I tried to write a small
program to reboot a server every night at (say) midnight. I ran into a
problem... I can't convert a date to a script so I can look at it.
Ideally I'd like to say:
    set timeX to current date
    tiemeX as string
    is timeX contains "PM" then
       is timeX contains "12:00" then
           restart
       end if
    end if

BUT, I can't change the date to string format, so I can't do any
operations on it.

Any help would be appreciated.




=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bill Russell
  [e-mail]
  617-422-2362 (voice)
  617-422-2240 (FAX)
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 14:43:40 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Roy S. Rapoport" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Date

Bill wrote:

> it. Ideally I'd like to say:
>     set timeX to current date
>     tiemeX as string
>     is timeX contains "PM" then
>        is timeX contains "12:00" then
>            restart
>        end if
>     end if
>
> BUT, I can't change the date to string format, so I can't do
> any operations on it.

Maybe I'm rustier than I thought (I'm currently not doing AS because I've only
got 12 Megs of RAM :( ), but the second line, the 'timeX as string', doesn't
it just return timeX as a string, rather than change its type?

You might want to try changing that line to 'set timeY to timeX as a string'
and see if it makes a difference ...

-roy
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 16:41:02 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Messina <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scriptable Finder & 7.1 ?

>The Finder version is only 7.1.4, not 7.5. It's the same Finder that's been
>shipping with all the Power Macs.

>Yes, I believe it is safe to use with 7.1.

To confirm -- I have been running Finder 7.1.4 on a 7100 since I've had my
PowerMac; no problems.  So go to it if that's the configuration you're
looking for.


--

David Messina
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 15:44:26 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Gene Foust <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Date

I cleaned up what I think were typos and the following works for me:

set timeX to current date
set timeX to timeX as string
if timeX contains "PM" then
        if timeX contains "12:00" then
                restart
        end if
end if

 ------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, Tue, Nov 22, 1994 ------

Hi: I'm new to Applescript. Just as a test case, I tried to write a small
program to reboot a server every night at (say) midnight. I ran into a
problem... I can't convert a date to a script so I can look at it.
Ideally I'd like to say:
    set timeX to current date
    tiemeX as string
    is timeX contains "PM" then
       is timeX contains "12:00" then
           restart
       end if
    end if

BUT, I can't change the date to string format, so I can't do any
operations on it.

Any help would be appreciated.




=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bill Russell
  [e-mail]
  617-422-2362 (voice)
  617-422-2240 (FAX)
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 23 Nov 1994 11:51:00 +1300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      EightyLister update

I've just dropped a new version of EightyLister in the incoming folder on
Gaea. It now lets you get information about classes and event parameters,
and also there's the option to get dynamic terminology from running
applications, as I mentioned before.

I did have to make a change to the format of the returned data. This used to
be just a list of information about events: it's now a record, with one or
two fields, one field for the list of event information, the other for the
list of class information (details are in the dictionary, as you would expect).
You'll have to modify your existing scripts accordingly.

Enjoy. And as always, let me know of any problems, suggestions for improvement
etc.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: [phone]
Computer Services Dept                     fax: [phone]
University of Waikato            electric mail: [e-mail]
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 18:00:04 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Hadfield <[e-mail]>
Subject:      I NEEEED FaceSpan 1.0.1

I need the memory leak bug fix found in FaceSpan 1.0.1.  The only problem
is I can't find it anywhere.  APDA does not offer an upgrade other than to
buy the entire package again.  Even then they would not guarentee what
version of FaceSpan I would get.  Is it anywhere out there in cyberspace??
Thanks in advance
Mark Hadfield.

Mark Hadfield
[e-mail]
The Hospital For Sick Children
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 23 Nov 1994 13:07:00 +1300
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University, Hamilton,
              NZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scriptable Finder & 7.1 ?

David Messina <[e-mail]> writes:

>>The Finder version is only 7.1.4, not 7.5. It's the same Finder that's been
>>shipping with all the Power Macs.
>
>>Yes, I believe it is safe to use with 7.1.
>
>To confirm -- I have been running Finder 7.1.4 on a 7100 since I've had my
>PowerMac; no problems.  So go to it if that's the configuration you're
>looking for.

Unfortunately, Power Macs don't run 7.1. The earliest system they can run
is 7.1.2.
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 19:14:33 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Hadfield <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scripter's Dream Software Combo (was Re: FaceSpan 1.0.1)

>I got FaceSpan 1.0.1 with my recent purchase of the AppleScript Developer's
>Kit.  I just started developing in FaceSpan, which I like very much.  I
>suppose if I'd started with version 1.0 I wouldn't like it quite so much,
>if your bug list is any indication!
>
>I haven't had any major problems yet, aside from an irritating problem with
>the FaceSpan app becoming hidden when I activate the Finder inside a
>handler.  The handler exits with the Finder still the foreground
>application.  I don't want FaceSpan to become hidden; I just want it to go
>to the background, with the document window still open.  Very peculiar
>problem!
>
>Otherwise, my projects have run rather flawlessly.  I do have a couple of
>gripes about the interface for scripts.  There really should be a
>source-level debugger in the thing. I'd like to be able to move the cursor
>directly to the first line of a handler.  I'd like to be able to watch
>variables as scripts execute, set breakpoints, you know, the usual stuff.
>Right now I write my scripts as separate chunks of routines in the Apple
>Script Editor, debug them through repeated execution, and then move them
>back into FaceSpan when they're solid enough.
>
>I tried ScriptWizard, but it's abominable.  Great ideas, but incredibly
>INCREDIBLY slow! I can't write a script longer than a single window-full
>before it becomes too slow to use interactively.
>
>Jeff Johnson
>
Try Scripter when it comes out. It sounds awesome.  I read some preliminary
information about it in MacWeek.  It sounds like the first industrial
strength applescript editor.  If only an interface tool like FaceSpan could
be integrated with a powerful editor like Scripter.  That would be
scripting heaven!!!

P.S. Hopefully we won't have to wait until they both become OpenDoc parts!!!

Mark Hadfield
[e-mail]
The Hospital For Sick Children
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 16:59:27 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kevin Purcell <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scripter's Dream Software Combo (was Re: FaceSpan 1.0.1)

>Try Scripter when it comes out. It sounds awesome.  I read some preliminary
>information about it in MacWeek.  It sounds like the first industrial
>strength applescript editor.  If only an interface tool like FaceSpan could
>be integrated with a powerful editor like Scripter.  That would be
>scripting heaven!!!
>
>P.S. Hopefully we won't have to wait until they both become OpenDoc parts!!!

And there's the "soon to ship" ScriptDebugger too (sorry, Cal!).

What I really need are "industrial strength" tools that support source
level debugging and source code control.

Source level debugging is essential and I find it difficult to beleive why
the API didn't support this form the very start. Even today it seems to be
a pretty well held secret about how one does this (from the Scripting API
point of view).

Source code control is the other requirement. All serious developers use
source code control and on the Mac they use (have to use :-) Projector
either via MPW or SourceServer.

If you are a developer of a script editor then make sure your editor
respects 'ckid' resources from Projector. THINK C, Pascal, CodeWarrior,
Resourcerer, BBEdit and all the other development tools can do so and so
should you. Some of us work in teams (some to produce commericial products)
and we Project all of the source including example scripts. I don't want to
accidently nuke a file that is checked out read only just because the
editor is too damn dumb to check for the 'ckid'.

About the only way to do this at the moment is to use MPW, SourceServer and
ScriptServer, but this is a little incovienient for those with an
interactive turn of mind.

When will Loic turn out an ObjectMaster for AppleScript!

Maybe I should try Frontier? Does Frontier support Projected files, John?

Kevin Purcell      Attachmate Corp        [phone]
[e-mail]    Seattle dBug Mac Developers SIG organizer
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 5 Nov 1994 12:48:02 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         INBOUND <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Please Resend

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What do you mean cold????? 72??? Are you nuts??? That's beautiful!!!!

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Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 17:48:42 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScripting Tools

>Hi,
>
>I'm thinking of getting a copy of a scripting tool such as FrontMost,
>ScriptWizard, TableServer or others. I need some recommandation on what to
>get.

The above is not a "choose one of these" sort of thing.

ScriptWizard (which I've only used briefly in a demo version) is an
alternative script editor, plus debugging tools.

FrontMost is primarily a builder of user interfaces (and script-based
applications which use those interfaces).  The work of the Frontmost-based
app is done in (a large) script, which is edited within Frontmost as if
there were a smaller script attached to each UI object.  FaceSpan is the
same thing under its new and current name.

TableServer just implements a simple (and rather nice for the purpose)
text-based scriptable database.


>... is there a newgroup which will discuss this topic.

This is as close at you'll come.  Periodically the idea of starting a
newsgroup surfaces.  It floats around for a while and then, thankfully,
sinks again.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 17:48:47 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Date

>Hi: I'm new to Applescript. Just as a test case, I tried to write a small
>program to reboot a server every night at (say) midnight. I ran into a
>problem... I can't convert a date to a script so I can look at it.

First, I probably wouldn't convert to a string and then look for "12:00"
and "PM" (I certainly wouldn't look for "PM", since I have my Mac set for
24 hour time representation).  But if you must, you can do so using two (or
three) of the Scripting Additions in the GTQ Scripting Library

current date in seconds
   returns what it says, in seconds since Jan 1, 1904 began

time string for nn
time string for nn with seconds
   returns what it says, given seconds since Jan 1, 1904 as above.

date string for nn
date string for nn in short format/abbreviated format/long format
   returns what it says, given seconds since Jan 1, 1904, in the format you
specify out of that list.

But...if you look for "12:00" and "PM", you might "miss", if the system
happens to be so tied up with something at midnight that your script
doesn't get time during the first minute of the day.

I'd probably do something like

property priorDate: ""

on run
   -- stuff to set things up, which might be empty or might set priorDate
end run

on idle
   set today to date string for (current date in seconds)
   if priorDate is not today then
      if priorDate is "" then
          copy today to priorDate
      else
          copy today to priorDate
          tell application "Finder" to restart
      end if
    return n -- pick a suitable number of seconds between calls to your script
end idle

on quit
    continue quit
end quit

This would be saved as a stay-open script application, probably in the
startup items folder, but perhaps elsewhere to be launched by something at
the end of normal operations for the day.


The above is untested.  Other solutions exist.  [Since I have Frontier
running full time, I would use a Frontier Scheduler Suite task to do the
job.]

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 20:53:10 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Deirdre Saoirse-Savino <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: DayDoubler (humor)

Now now, those of us on the Day-to-Day Calendar team all knew about shrinking
and expanding time.

(For those who haven't seen the product, times during the day "expand" or
"contract" with the middle 1/2 of the window full-size time slots).

_Deirdre (dead last of the programming credits)
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 17:38:27 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Customer Support <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re(2): RE> PowerTalk and ApplescrI

Owen,


Please give us a call and we'll make sure your refund is processed
immediately. We apologize for any problems you may have experienced with
TableIt! on a IIsi.


GBI, Inc.
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 22:18:11 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kyraden <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Yet another pause problem

If y'all remember, awhile back I had a "joke" script I was writting for a
friend that does nothing but look like there's a problem.Well, we've
decided to expand it, and we need it to appear as though it is doing
something for awhile, and then continue with the joke dialogs. Here's the
script:

        global whatsNext

        on run
         display dialog "Installing Root Folder into your System..."
buttons {"Cancel"}
                set i to 1
                repeat with i from 1 to 5
                i + 1
                end repeat
         set whatsNext to "pauseDone"
         Cont()
        end run

        on Cont()
         if whatsNext is "pauseDone" then
                 doRest()
          else
                        set whatsNext to "pauseDone"
         end if
               end Cont
        on doRest()
       [...this is fine...]
        else
                [...]
end doRest


All this does is is sit on the first dialog. It doesn't even have the
little spinning beachball. It just sits there and does nothing. Can anyone
help me out here? TIA,
-jaeson the lost soul

| Jaeson M. Engle    ||    [e-mail]  |
         www server: http://josaiah.sewanee.edu/          )
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 21:07:37 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Bruce B. Lacey (Bruce B. Lacey)" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Date

>Hi: I'm new to Applescript. Just as a test case, I tried to write a small
>program to reboot a server every night at (say) midnight. I ran into a
>problem... I can't convert a date to a script so I can look at it.
>Ideally I'd like to say:
>    set timeX to current date
>    tiemeX as string
>    is timeX contains "PM" then
>       is timeX contains "12:00" then
>           restart
>       end if
>    end if
>
>BUT, I can't change the date to string format, so I can't do any
>operations on it.
>
>Any help would be appreciated.

Keep in mind that you can retrieve properties of a date value...
For example:

    set timeX to time of current date
        --returns the number of seconds since midnight

you may consider an idle handler that the first time it is invoked, it
calculates the time to mid-night and returns a wait until the mid-night as:

return 86400 - (time of the (current date))

relinquishing the CPU until it needs to perform the restart...  ;-)

--When the restart script first receives a run event, set the restart flag to
--false
on run
   global restart
   set restart to false
end run

--When the idle handler is invoked, restart if this is the second time to the
--idle handler, otherwise return the number of seconds until midnight
on idle
        global restart
        if restart then
           tell application "Finder" to restart{}
        else
           set restart to true
           return 86400 - (time of the (current date))
        end if
end idle

Good luck.
Bruce.

P.S.  I have not tested this...
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 23:46:49 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: EightyLister update
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Wed, 23 Nov 94 11:51:00 +1300"

>I've just dropped a new version of EightyLister in the incoming folder on
>Gaea. It now lets you get information about classes and event parameters,
>and also there's the option to get dynamic terminology from running
>applications, as I mentioned before.

This can now be found in

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/osaxen/EightyLister.hqx

pf
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 23 Nov 1994 01:09:23 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Tom Pollard <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: wait for end of application

Axel Wilzopolski <[e-mail]> asked:
> I want an AppleScript-application to start another application and
> after that waiting for the termination of that application before
> any other thing is done in the applescript.

I seem to remember that an extension/app/whatever was recently put on
the info-mac archive that will run a script at the launch and/or at the
quitting of an application.  If you want to avoid having your driver
script spin it's wheels while waiting for an app to quit, maybe you can
use this product to have the app launch a script that just sends a
signal back to your main script.

I didn't download this thing myself, unfortunately.  Hope this vague
description is useful anyway.

Cheers,

Tom

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
W. Thomas Pollard                               Department of Chemistry
[e-mail]                 Columbia University
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 23 Nov 1994 00:19:55 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kyraden <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: wait for end of application

>I seem to remember that an extension/app/whatever was recently put on
>the info-mac archive that will run a script at the launch and/or at the
>quitting of an application.  If you want to avoid having your driver
>script spin it's wheels while waiting for an app to quit, maybe you can
>use this product to have the app launch a script that just sends a
>signal back to your main script.
>
>I didn't download this thing myself, unfortunately.  Hope this vague
>description is useful anyway.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Tom
>

I believe I found this on gaea. It's called ScriptSync (sp?). It does
things very nicely. Mainly I use it for launching Stuffit Expander when I
launch Anarchie, but it should do the trick...

-J

| Jaeson M. Engle    ||    [e-mail]  |
         www server: http://josaiah.sewanee.edu/          )
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Nov 1994 22:23:44 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Allan R. Crump Jr" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Get1Resource

I am reading the resource map from my preference file by using the
Get1Resource function described inside Macintosh.

This function returns a handle to the data, or so I thought. The data is
actually a WIND resource, or window record resource that I'd like to
modify the top.right positioning of the window so that next time the
application does a GETNEWWINDOW (from the resource) it reads the last
known rect from the resource.

After reading in the handle, I believed I could just do a RESOURCECHANGED
to update the file.  Upon doing so, it completely destroyed my WIND resource.

Is there something I should be aware of ?
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 23 Nov 1994 01:50:45 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "M. Brent Sleeper" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Advantages of ScriptTools v. Apple's osaxen

Howdy,

I've been using Matt Alldritt's File IO osax for some time, as the version
of AppleScript I had didn't include any comparable commands. However, now
that I have System 7.5, I have the option of using some new osaxen included
with the System. I was wondering if anyone out there would pontificate on
the subject of:

Matt Alldritt's ScriptTools File IO and Choose Files & Folders osaxen
v.
Apple's Read/Write Commands, Choose File, and New File osaxen

Thanks! I'm looking forward to a highly partisan battle royale...

Brent Sleeper


--
M. Brent Sleeeper -- [e-mail]
  Flightpath Communications -- [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 23 Nov 1994 09:53:02 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         John Stanley <[e-mail]>
Subject:      How to find number of items

I have searched in vain to find an easy way to find out how many items are in
a folder.   Using "information window" I can virtually everything else that
comes up in a standard Get Info window, but not the number of items.
Likewise, "folder" does not have any elements defined that tell you how many
items in total there are - you can get a list of the top level items and
count those, but not the ones nested within sub folders.

I could traverse the folder and count all the items as I go, but I wanted to
put up a progress bar as I was doing the work because traversing the folder
is itself slow.

Any ideas?

John
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 23 Nov 1994 08:51:26 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Paul G Smith <[e-mail]>
Organization: commstalk, & Full Moon Software
Subject:      Re: Scripter's Dream Software Combo (was Re: FaceSpan 1.0.1)

In Regards to your letter <[e-mail]>:
> >
> >I tried ScriptWizard, but it's abominable.  Great ideas, but incredibly
> >INCREDIBLY slow! I can't write a script longer than a single window-full
> >before it becomes too slow to use interactively.
> >

We've heard the complaints about SW performance. Version 1.1 will ship
using a different text editing engine, which will improve the performance.
If you are a registered SW user and you'd like to beta test v1.1 please
send email to "[e-mail]".


best regards, Paul

+------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Paul G Smith, Full Moon Software        || UK ph: [phone]
| PO Box 116, ST ALBANS, Herts AL1 2RL UK ||   fax: [phone]
| & Full Moon Software, Inc               || US ph: 408 253 7199
| P O Box 700237, SAN JOSE, CA 95170 USA  ||   fax: [phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 23 Nov 1994 14:12:04 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Nicolas Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scriptable Image Converter

Could someone point me in the direction of an image utility that will take
PICT format graphics and convert them to GIF format. The utility must be
scriptable.

Thanks,

Nic.

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